Assalaam alaikum,
A Shia can do hajj. There is no fatawa for that.
Brother Tic Tac Toe....even if I am dead wrong help me out here. Do you not agree that Ali (ra) and Fatima belong to a special bond that even the Mother of the Believers, Ayisa does not hold. The relationship between the Prophet, swas, and Fatima was very intimate and special. Did he, swas, not love his daughter and she love him. We do not celebrate this whatsoever here. Limit this to TTI. Call me lacking in knowledge but there are so few threads on the wisdom of the words of Fatima.
Brother, yes, what you have done wrong is you choose what you wish to respond to and ignore the rest. You know I am correct about a fatawa. You know that is the absolute truth. A fatawa is not absolute.
Let us say a person is considering Islam. Are we being fair to this person? Are we being honest with this person. There are many within the Sunni who do acknowledge Ali and Fatima equally there are some Sunni's who do not. I wonder why?
And I stand by what I said. You know it to be true...we get an opinion from a scholar..sometimes that is formalized into what is called a fatawa..but a fatawa is not absolute. The scholars have told us when in doubt about their interpretations to go to other scholars and discard what they have written. They do not wish to be accountable for error and the limitations of human egos.
Are you going to prevent people from going to hajj? Hey, only Muslims go to hajj.
A fatawa is an opinion. And you know that is the truth of the matter. Muslims go to hajj.
Isn't it shocking how inflexible we can be to the minorities within our own religion? My father, for instance, has this animosity towards Shia that was formed and molded by the "religious" talk shows on Saudi TV. He has never met a Shia nor has he ever read Shia literature, yet he is very comfortable accusing them of "spitting on Umar" and "conspiring to convert Sunnis to Shiism"
I on the other hand, read shia literature and noticed that all of the accusations are false. We've been bombing their mosques, burning their tombs, belittling them, accusing them of false allegations. All for what?
I say this with kindness and respect, tic_tac_toe: you are no different than my father. You let a small group of men with media and/or financial power tell you how to think. And this is no ordinary small group of men; this small group is the same group that encourages young, naive and gullible muslim boys to strap explosives around their waist and charge at innocent civilians.
To what ends? *shaking my head*
Some accuse them of "working with Jews,' But tell me, which nations harbor Israeli and American military bases? Sunni. Jordan, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Oman, Turkey, Jordan, Qatar, and many more. I'm yet to hear Saudi clerics denouncing any of this. Just a few weeks ago, it was discovered that there exists an American drone base inside Saudi land. Muslim land. Killing muslims with Saudi permission. And Shia are the evil ones?
You will never learn.
:salam2:
I will continue to assume that both of you Sisters have a reasonable proficiency in reading English, are in a good state of mental and physical health, not biased and not in an elevated emotional state because the information about to be conveyed is done in easy plain simple to read English and as your brother I am here to answer your questions to the best of my ability provided that you stick to the subject.
The Wahabi Myth:
Nazim Al-Haqqani is one of the most left-wing liberal (Wahabi-hating Sufi) there is on the planet. There is free-mixing in his gatherings, women kiss his hands and he even continues to
enjoy good relationship with George Bush and Tony Blair. He even met
Pope Bendict when the Mufti of his nation (cyprus) refused to do so. You have to be deranged to class him a "Wahabi" and this is what he
says about Shias
Nuh Ha Meem Keller is an American Sufi vehemently Anti-Wahabi and resides in Jordan and this is what he has to
say about Shias
Mufti Ibn Adam is a British Mufti, also Sufi and not Wahabi and in fact refutes them all the time and this is
his Fatwa on marriage with Shia being invalid!
I am stopping at 3 references and not because I can't provide anymore simply because if you two Sisters are emotionally balanced you will get the picture.
Disagreement about Shias is about Aqeedah (Creed, fundamentals of Faith):
The primary disagreement is not of a physical nature but of Aqeedah (i.e.
Creed, fundamentals of Faith) this means that it is a matter within the heart (internal) that there is no
X-Ray,
MRI which can detect it.
Let me elaborate further with 3 separate examples.
Firstly imagine we take Sister Gupta and someone who is a Hindu from the same ethnicity, very similar physical features and dress them up the same and ask the Audience to guess who is Muslim and who is not, can they accurately guess? Probably not because Aqeedah (i.e.
Creed, fundamentals of Faith) is a matter of the heart (internal) and not a stamp on the forehead or an identification mark which can be recognized.
Secondly, all Muslims (Shia & Sunnees) consider Qadyanees to be Non-Muslims by consensus and there is
ZERO difference of opinion on the issue and it is based on Aqeedah (i.e.
Creed, fundamentals of Faith) is a matter of the heart (internal) otherwise a Qadiyani looks no different then any other Indian/Pakistani or Arab. Do you have to physically meet a Qadiyani and have a discussion to ascertain his/her Kuf'r? And would he/she look any different which you will be able to identify (may be horns on the head or tail in the back) to apply the Fatwa?
So why does your dad needs to meet a Shia to apply the Fatwa?
Thirdly,
click to see the picture of
monsignor William Lynn and by looking at this picture does he look like a sex offender? Would meeting him would have helped you identify what lurks in his heart?
Again, if you two Sisters are emotionally balanced you will get the picture that matters of heart are internal and drive the actions of people (outwardly) and that's why it is not advised to marry a Shia because your future relationship with :Allah: depends on your spouse who will be driven by internal Aqeedah (i.e.
Creed, fundamentals of Faith)
But Shias are so nice and what about minority rights?
There are plenty of nice Non-Muslims, so what? What difference does them being nice make on issues of Aqeedah (i.e.
Creed, fundamentals of Faith)? They are Non-Muslims and you are Muslims, whats your point? We don't disrespect, dishonor, abuse people call for violence but we do make a distinction by means of Aqeedah (i.e.
Creed, fundamentals of Faith).
Again, if you two Sisters are emotionally balanced you will get the picture. If you are so far gone and so emotionally damaged that you can only distinguish people based on "how nice they are" then you can't be helped!
Disagreement between Fatwaas?
Yes Scholars in Islam can disagree thus their Fatwaas may disagree but in this case almost majority of Authentic Islamic Scholars (classical or contemporary) give the opinion that its either Haram or majorly disliked to marry a Shia and I have chosen my words very carefully by stating Authentic Islamic Scholars and if you want to disagree then disagree with facts and quote me some Authentic Islamic (classical or contemporary) which don't frown upon Shia/Sunni marriage but don't be absurd and quote TTI or your dad's behavior or his lack of contact with Shia as references.
Feel free to ask questions and state your case
but do so coherently.