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    Are Shia Kafir?
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    1. "Bad'ah" ALLAH tells a lie. (Asool Kaafi, Vol. No.1, Page No. 148. A Shia doctrine.)

    2. All Imams are equal in rank and status to Prophet Muhammad :)saw:). (Asool Kaafi, Vol. No. 1, Page No. 270)

    3. There are seventeen thousand Ayah in real Qur'an. (Al Shafi, Vol. No. 2, Page No. 616)

    4. Sahabah (R.H) became infidel by denying the divine right (Wilayat) of Ali. First three caliph and other Sahabas became infidel by denying the divine right of (Wilayat) of Ali. (Asool Kaafi, Page No. 420)

    5. All the people rejected Islam after the death of the Prophet :saw: except three. Miqdad, Abu Zar and Salman Farsi. (Quran Majeed by Maqbool Hussain Dehlevi, Page No. 134)

    6. "Difference between ALLAH and Ali". (Jila-ul-Ayoun, Vol. No. 2, Page No. 66)

    7. We are the eyes of the God in his creature and the final authority in all human beings. (Asool Kaafi, Vol. No. 1, Page No. 145)

    8. No one possess complete knowledge of Holy Qur'an except Imams. (Asool Kaafi, Vol. No. 1, Page No. 228)

    9. Abu Bakr (r.a) could not recite Kalma at the time of his death. (Israr-e-Muhammad, Page No. 211)

    10. When Our Qaim (12th Imam) gets up, Humira (Ayesha) will be raised from the dead so as to be whipped her due punishment, and so as to avenge the daughter of Muhammad :)saw:), Fatima. (Al Shafi, Vol. No. 2, Page No. 108)

    11. Ali is God. (Jila-ul-Ayoun, Vol. No. 2, Page No. 66)

    12. The Hujjat (Ultimate proof) of God can not be established without Imam. (Asool Kaafi, Vol. No. 1, Page No. 177)

    13. "Changes in Qur'an for Drinker Khulafa-e-Rashideen". (Translation Of Quran Majeed by Maqbool Hussain Dehlevi, Page No. 479)

    14. Shaitan was the first to sworn the oath of allegiance from Abu Bakr in the mosque. (Israr-e-Muhammad, Page No. 30)

    15. "An accusation of poisoning to Prophet by Ayesha and Hafsa". (Jila-ul-Ayoun, Page No. 118)

    16. Imams are God. (Jila-ul-Ayoun, Vol. No. 2, Page No. 85)

    17. Imam knows his hour of death and his death is in his control. (Asool Kaafi, Vol. No. 1,Page No. 258)

    18. Pakistan is mentioned in the Original Holy Qur'an, present Qur'an is meaningless. (Hazaar Tumhari Das Hamari, Page No. 554)

    19. It is infidelity (Kufr) to doubt about the infidelity (Kufr) of Umar. (Jila-ul-Ayoun, Page No. 63)

    21. Abdullah Ibn-e-Saba maintained the indispensability of Imamat and claimed that Ali was the true lord. (Anwaar-e-Naumania, Vol. No. 2, Page No. 234)

    22. According to Shia's nothing can remain hidden from the Imams, they have a complete knowledge of past, present and future. (Asool Kaafi, Vol. No. 1, Page No. 260)

    23. Qur'an was ascended in four parts whereas present Qur'an is consist of three parts. (Shia Aur Tehreef-e-Quran, page No. 62)

    24. Those who deny the first of Ali Caliphate are infidels. (Anwaar-e-Naumania, Vol. No. 3, Page No. 264)

    25. Ayesha was an infidel women. (Hayat-ul-Quloob, Vol. No. 2, Page No. 726)

    26. We neither accept that God nor Prophet whose successor is Abu Bakr. (Anwaar-e-Naumania, Vol. No. 2, Page No. 278)

    27. Imam posses more attribute than a Prophet posses. (Asool Kaafi, Vol. No. 1, Page No. 388)

    28. The present Qur'an is abridged where as the Original Qur'an is kept by Imam Mehdi. (Hazaar Tumhari Das Hamari, Page No. 553)

    29. Abu Bakr and Umar were more tyrant than Shaitan. (Haq-ul-Yaqeen, Page No. 509)

    30. Imam Mehdi will punish Ayesha with strips. (Hayat-ul-Quloob, Vol. No. 2, Page No. 901)

    31. "An acceptance of separate Kalma". (Asool-e-Shariat Fee Aqaid-ul-Shia't, Page No. 423)

    32. To hide secret and to weep on the operations of Imam is Jihad. (Asool Kaafi, Vol. No. 2, Page No. 226)

    33. Shaikheen (r.a) refused to accept the Qur'an which was compiled by Ali (r.a). (Fasal-ul-Khitab, Page No. 64)

    34. Abu Bakr and Umar among seven doors of the hell. (Haq-ul-Yaqeen, Page No. 500)

    35. Ayesha and Hafsa were hypocrite and infidel women. (Hayat-ul-Quloob, Vol. No. 2, Page No. 900)

    36. "An acceptance of alteration in the Kalma Tayyibah". (Shia Mazhab Haq Hai, Vol. No. 2, Page No. 57)

    37. Fourteen Imams of Shia's (infallible), the masters of this Universe are desecration of all Prophets and Angels. (Jila-ul-Ayoun, Vol. 2, Page No. 29)

    38. Qur'an was eaten by God. (Min Kitab-ul-Burhan Fee Tafseer-ul-Quran, Page No. 38)

    39. Imam Mehdi will order, the digging out from grave, the dead bodies of Shaikheen, make them alive and will be punished. (Haq-ul-Yaqeen, Page No. 371)

    40. "Ayesha was hypocrite". (Hayat-ul-Quloob, Page No. 867)

    41. To ask for help from Ali is not a polytheism but a way of the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.s)". ( Hathi Kay Daant Khanay Kay Aur Dikhanay Kay Aur, Vol. No.2, Page No. 41)

    42. Imam Mehdi will kill all the Sunni Scholars. (Haq-ul-Yaqeen, Page No.527)

    43. The main compilers of Qur'an interpreted changed corrupted and perverted the Holy Qur'an. (Al-Ehtijaj, Page No. 257)

    44. Abu Bakr, Umar, Usman and Muawiyah are like idols, they are worst of all the creatures of God. (Haq-ul-Yaqeen, Page No. 519)

    45. Ayesha was charged of committing open vulgarity. (Qur'an Majeed by Maqbool Hussain Dehlevi, Page No. 840)

    46. Kalma Tayyibah without Ali Wali ULLAH is false. (Shia Mazhab Haq Hai, Page No. 2)

    47. Abu Bakr and Umar were the followers of Shaitan. (Quran Majeed by Maqbool Hussain Dehlevi, Page No. 674)

    48. Ayesha was not an American or European lady. (Haqeeqat-e-Fiqah Hanfia Dar Jawab Haqeeqat-e-Fiqah Jaffria, Page No. 64)

    49. When God becomes happy, He talks in Persian, when He becomes annoyed, talks in Arabic. (Tareekh-ul-Islam, Page No. 163)

    50. In Holy Qur'an (Fahsha) refers to Abu Bakr, (Munkir) refers to Umar, and (Baghi) refers to Usman. (Quran Majeed by Maqbool Hussain Dehlevi, Page No. 551)

    Now my dear Readers you all only decide what should be the label of such people who are still propagating their false beliefs
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    What Do Scholars of the Past and Present say about Shia (Rafidah)?

    What Do Scholars of the Past and Present say about Shia (Rafidah)?

    1) Imam Ash-Shafi'i: On one occasion Imam Shafi'ee said concerning the Shia, "I have not seen among the heretics a people more famous for falsehood than the Raafidi* Shia." and on another occasion he said; "Narrate knowledge from everyone you meet except for the Raafidi* Shia, because they invent ahaadeeth and adopt them as part of their religion." (Minhaj as-Sunnah an-Nabawiyyah)

    *(Some shia at the time of the Alid Imam Zayd ibn 'Ali demanded that he make a declaration of innocence (tabarra) from whoever disagreed with 'Ali's right to be Imaam. When Zayd refused, they rejected him, and became known as the "Raafida" or rejectors. Those who followed Imaam Zayd became known as Zaydis, and have very little difference from mainstream Islam. The Raafidi evolved into the the various Imaami shia sects, the largest of which is the Ithna 'Ashari.)

    2) Imam Abu Haneefah: It is reported that often Imam Abu Hanifah used to repeat the following statement about the Raafidi Shia; "Whoever doubts whether they are disbelievers has himself committed disbelief."

    3) Imam Malik: Once when asked about the Raafidi Shia, Imam Malik said; "Do not speak to them or narrate from them, for surely they are liars." During one of Imam Malik's classes, it was mentioned that the raafidi Shia curse the sahaba. Imam Malik recited the verse, "Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah and those with him are harsh with the disbelievers and gentle among themselves. So that the disbelievers may become enraged with them." (48:29) He then said, "Whoever becomes enraged when the Sahâbah are mentioned is the one about whom the verse speaks." (Tafseer al-Qurtubi)

    4) Imam Ibn al- MUBAARAK: was reported to have said "Religion is gained from Ahl al-Hadeeth, scholastic theology, and crafty exemptions from religious ordinances from Ahl-ar-ray and lies from the Raafidite Shi'ites.

    5) Abu Zur'ah ar-Razi: He said of the raafidi Shia doctrine of cursing the Sahâbah, "If you see someone degrade any of the companions of the Prophet SAWS know that he is a disbeliever. Because the Prophet SAWS was real, what he brought was the truth and all of it was conveyed to us by way of the Sahâbah. What those disbelievers wish to do is cast doubt on the reliability of our narrators in order to invalidate the Qur'an and Sunnah. Thus the disbelievers are the ones most deserving of defamation."

    6) Ibn Hazm al-Andalusi: During the period of Muslim rule in Spain, Imam Abu Muhammad ibn Hazm would often debate with the Catholic priests about their religious texts. He brought before them evidence of textual distortions in the Bible and the loss of the original manuscripts. When they replied by pointing out the Shia claims that the Qur'an has been distorted and altered, Ibn Hazm informed them that Shia claims were not valid evidence because the Shia were not themselves Muslims.

    7) Imam Al-Alusi: He declared the raafidi Shia disbelievers because of their defamation of the Sahaba. His position was based on the rulings of Imam Malik and other scholars. In response to their claim to be followers of the Ahl al-Bayt (the Prophet's SAWS family) Al-Alusi said, "No, they are really followers of the devils and the Ahl al-Bayt are innocent of them."

    8) Muhammad Rasheed Rida: This scholar was among those who worked sincerely for rapproachment between the shia and the sunni, and they in turn pretended moderation for his benefit. However, in the midst of his efforts, they caught him by surprise by presenting him with a number of their books which slander Islam. He then replied in a paper called As-Sunnah wa Ash-Shia in which he exposed their false doctrines and idolatrous practices.

    9) Dr. Hilali: After living close to the shia for some years, the famous Moroccan scholar, Dr. Hilali wrote a paper on them in which he declared them to be disbelievers.

    10) Abul-A'la Maududi: wrote an introduction to the book, "Ar-Riddah bain al-Ams wa al-Yaum" In it was written, regarding the Imami Ja'fari Shia, "despite their moderate views (relative to other shi'ia sects), they are swimming in disbelief like white bloodcells in blood or like fish in water."

    11) Among the other contemporary scholars who have expressed similar views are: Sheikh Abdul 'Aziz ibn Baz, Sheikh Nassiruddin Al-Albaanee, Allama Ash-Shanqiti, Sheikh An-Nashashibi, Imam Ahmad Ameen, and Dr. Rashaad Salim.

    One other Imami Shia doctrine that must be related is the doctrine of Taqiyyah, or dissimulation, (i.e. calculated deception). In support of this doctrine of deception, the shia attribute the following to Abu Abdullah (Ja'far as-Sadiq):

    "Nine tenths of religion is taqiyyah(dissimulation), hence one who does not dissimulate has no religion." (Al-Kafi vol.9 p.110)

    "He who conceals his religion has saved it, and he who makes it public has destroyed it."

    "A believer who does not dissimulate is like a body without a head." (Tafseer al-Askari)

    "Mix with them (i.e.non-shia) externally but oppose them internally." (Al-Kafi vol.9 p.116)

    Concerning the verse, "Verily the most noble of you in Allah's sight is the most God-fearing(atqaakum)" , the shia attribute the following interpretation of "atqaakum": "That is, your deeds done by taqiyyah(dissimulation) (Al-I'tiqadat)

    It is interesting to contrast this doctrine of calculated deception with Allah's statement in the Holy Qur'an: "Surely those who hide from people the clear proofs and guidance, which we clarified in the Book (Qur'an), will be cursed by Allah and all those who curse." (2:159)

    And the statement of the Prophet :)saw:) who said: "Whoever is asked for knowledge and conceals it will have a bridle of fire around his neck on the Day of Judgement."
    (Abu Dawood, Tirmidhi)
    I should stress that not all who are called shi'ia hold to these deviant and idolatrous beliefs. As mentioned earlier, the Zaydi Shia hold no real differences of Aqeedah, but only the political position that the Caliph should be from the descendants of 'Ali.
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    AstaghfirAllah... I know of 2 shia here in Singapore.. No longer mix with them...We have shia mosque ( i think 2 mosques)
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    Assalaam Allaikum

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    We Sunnis wish all people well, and we ask Allaah to guide all those who are misled and to reward all those who obey Him. We hope that Allaah will guide those Raafidis…

    We need to describe the beliefs (‘aqeedah) of the Shi’a so as to know the ruling on praying behind them.

    to sum up the differences between the Ahl al-Sunnah (Sunnis) and the Raafidis are very great and are fundamental. For example, the Raafidis say that the Qur’aan was altered, and they condemn most of the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) and think that they went astray; they exaggerate about their imaams and worship them, and give them precedence over the Prophets and angels; they go on pilgrimages to mashhads (shrines) and graves, where they do all kinds of actions of shirk, associating others in worship with Allaah. They also believe in hypocrisy (as a tenet of faith) and call it taqiyah (dissimulation), and they believe in al-badaa’(the notion that Allaah “changes His mind”), al-raj’ah (the Return, i.e., the raising of the dead to life again for some time in the same form as they were before) and absolute infallibility of their imaams, and in prostrating on a handful of clay…

    We advise you to read "Al-Khutoot al-‘Areedah" by Muhibb al-Deen al-Khateeb [this book is available in English – Translator], or Mukhtasar al-Tuhfat al-Ithna’ ‘Ashariyyah by al-Dahlawi, or Fikrat al-Taqreeb bayna Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Shee’ah by Naasir al-Qaffaari

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    With regard to preying behind one who is of this nature, Shaykh Ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

    “It is not permissible to pray behind any of the mushrikeen, including those who seek the help of anyone other than Allaah and seek support from him, because seeking help through anyone other then Allaah, such as the dead, idols, the jinn, etc. is shirk, the association of others with Allaah, glorified be He.”

    Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn Baaz (vol. 2, p. 396)

    And he said: one should not pray behind any imaam who is known to exaggerate concerning the Ahl al-Bayt (members of the Prophet’s household). If no such thing is known about him or any other Muslim, then it is OK to pray behind them.

    Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn Baaz, vol. 12, p. 107
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    We cannot pray behind shia but we can still pray behind innovators of islam(sunnis but of a different sect).., right???
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    The scholars of the Standing Committee were asked:

    With regard to praying behind an innovator, if their bid’ah involves shirk such as calling upon anyone other than Allaah, making vows to anyone other than Allaah, or believing that their shaykhs possess qualities that belong only to Allaah, such as complete knowledge or knowledge of the unseen or the ability to influence events, then it is not valid to pray behind them.

    But if their bid’ah does not involve shirk, such as reciting dhikrs that have been narrated from the Prophet :saw: (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) but in unison and swaying, then it is valid to pray behind them, but the Muslim should try to find an imam who does not follow innovation, because that will bring a greater reward and be further removed from evil. End quote.
    Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, (7/353):

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    Shaykh Ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked: What is the ruling on one who lives in a city whose people adhere to bid’ah? Is it valid for him to offer Jumu’ah and prayers in congregation with him, or should he pray on his own, or is the obligation of Jumu’ah waived for him? If there are less than twelve of ahl al-sunnah in a city, is Jumu’ah valid for them or not?

    He replied: It is obligatory to establish Jumu’ah prayer behind any imam, righteous or otherwise. If the bid’ah of the imam for Jumu’ah does not put him beyond the pale of Islam, then he should pray behind him.

    Imam Abu Ja’far al-Tahhaawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in his famous book al-‘Aqeedah: We think that prayer should be offered behind any imam, righteous or otherwise, among the people of the qiblah, and (the funeral prayer) should be offered for those of them who die. End quote.

    End quote from Majmoo’ Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn Baaz, 4/303

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    well, islamicfajr, this is great. i am pleased to see there is a place on this site where we are allowed to talk about sunnis and shiites. and now would you please give us the un-biased opinion on these sects of muslims?
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    i thought you said i could discuss it in here . . . .
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    The shia are a sect in islam, do not form part of the Ahla sunnah wal jamm'a.What makes them differ is their beleif which often contadicts Islamic Aqeedah.The shia have gone as far as to say that Gibrail alayhisalam made a mistake and rather than giving the prophethood to Ali he gave it to Our prophet :saw: (peace be upon him).This is clear kuffar because it contradicts the 6 pre requisites of Islam. The fact that they claim Gibrail out of all angels made a mistake. And allah says in the Quran that the enemies of Gibrail and Mikhail are the enemies of Allah.

    2:97 Say: Whoever is an enemy to gabriel-for he brings down the (revelation) to thy heart by Allah's will, a confirmation of what went before, and guidance and glad tidings for those who believe,-

    2:98 Whoever is an enemy to Allah and His angels and apostles, to gabriel and Michael,- Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith.


    By Questioning the wisdom Of Gibrail they put the Wisdom of Allah in question too.Because all things happen only by the will of Allah and if they say that the prophet hood was giving to the wrong person then they mean that the will of Allah is not done on the earth.

    There are other beliefs that they hold that clearly takes them out Of Islam. They misinterpret the quran and often feed information to the non muslims to attack islam.Some of the blasphemous articles about sahaba and about the Quran that many non muslims post and claim are from muslim scholars are from them.They have no authority among the ahla sunna( the Main body of Islam).They slander the wives of rasullah:)saw:) and hold only fatimah alyhas salam and Ali and their progeny in High esteem.The claim that part of the quran is missing and will be brought to us when the Mahdi comes this too contradicts the word of Allah when the Quran says clearly

    5:3 This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you islam as your religion.

    Clear here ther is no more revelation to come.The religion is complete and anyone who claims otherwise is a kafir.

    Also Allah warned us about making division in Islam and creating sects

    30:32 Those who split up their religion, and become (mere) Sects,- each party rejoicing in that which is with itself!

    30:34 (As if) to show their ingratitude for the (favours) We have bestowed on them! Then enjoy (your brief day); but soon will ye know (your folly).

    Actually the issue of the Shia is far greater than that because they themselves are split up in several groups and each have more worst belief than others .They were actually formed by a Jew Abdullah bin saba.The shia Loathe the Sahaba especially the 3 Khulafa e rashideen before Ali ibn Abi Talib.They go as far as calling them Kafir. A simple question is Did Our dear prophet:)saw:) marry Kafirs and Daughters of Kafirs,also did Kafirs marry his daughter.If they make this claim them Ana uthubilla they are claiming that or dear prophet Mohamed:)saw:) was a kafir.May the Curse of allah be upon them. Also they claim that their Imams are sinless and have divine attribute. This again is Kuffar. Ayatollah Khomeni claimed that the imams know when they are going to Die, yet in clear hadith Rasul :)saw:) said that when some one is going to die is one of the Secrets that Allah holds and know one has the knowledge.He (Khomeni) even claimed that sex with a little baby girl is permissible.That is Kuffar The Yahudy Talmud makes this claim and the curse of Allah be on anyone who claims to be a muslims and hold this beleif.The Shia also perform Mutt'ah, Temporary marriage, which was forbidden by our dear prophet:)saw:).The only Group among the Shia who are closest to The Ahla sunnah accordnig to the Scholars are the Zaidee of Yemen who do not share these evil beliefs .We are actaully told we can pray behind them.

    I hope this will be useful to any one and help keep them away from this evil sect.
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    The perseverance of Islam despite splits and divisions

    yeah, as know i'm here 4 correcting ur misconcpection about islam as i could insha`Allah....

    would you please give us the un-biased opinion on these sects of muslims?

    yeah surely it's so easy insha`Allah....

    BismAllah..

    Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid saied about :The perseverance of Islam despite splits and divisions

    Know, may Allaah guide us and you to the truth and enable us to follow it, that the Prophet :saw: (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not die before he had shown the way clearly to his ummah [nation]. There was no major or minor matter but he gave us knowledge about it from Allaah. At the end of the last Hajj [pilgrimage] performed by the Prophet :saw: (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) there was revealed the aayah [verse] (interpretation of the meaning):

    “This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islâm as your religion” [al-Maa’idah 5:3]

    The Sahaabah [Companions of the Prophet :saw: (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him] (may Allaah be pleased with them) adhered very closely to this path, and thus Allaah protected the followers of Islam from splitting in this blameworthy manner.

    They were followed in that by the Taabi’een [the generation that followed the generation of the Sahaabah] (may Allaah have mercy on them), but some internal and external factors led to the emergence of some reprehensible divisions following the three best generations. Among the external causes of that were:

    Mixing with other, non-Muslim nations, such as the Persians, Romans, Indians and Greeks, and contact with other religious groups such as Jews, Christians, Sabians, Magians, Indian religions and others.

    Among the internal causes were:

    Following whims and desires, giving room to doubts, turning away from learning the religion and sharee’ah of Allaah, ignorance, extremism, and imitation of non-Muslims… etc.

    All of these reasons, and others, led to some small groups splitting from the right path which the majority of the Muslims followed, so there emerged some groups, innovations and opinions that differed from the path of the Prophet :saw: (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and his Companions, and the Taabi’een and those who followed their path.

    But we may note that these groups and factions were in fact a discordant note that differed from the majority of Muslims, and their followers were shunned and opposed by the scholars, khulafaa’ [khaleefahs or Muslim rulers] and majority of Muslims, which meant that they were contained and their influence was prevented from becoming widespread during most periods of Islamic history.

    The majority of Muslims remained on the Sunni path – in general – and when forms of bid’ah emerged among them, the scholars of truth have always hastened to oppose them and point out their falsehood. Our Prophet Muhammad :saw: (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told us that these divisions would emerge; he warned us about them and commanded us to adhere to the jamaa’ah [main body] of the Muslims. He said: “The Jews and the Christians split into seventy-two sects, all of which are in Hell; this ummah [nation] will split into seventy-three sects, all of which will be in Hell apart from one.” They asked, “Which one is that, O Messenger of Allaah?” He said, “Those who follow the path which I and my Companions are on today.” He said, “A group of my ummah will remain following the truth and will prevail, and those who oppose them will not harm them, until the Day of Judgement begins.”

    There are many reasons why the Muslims have always felt a sense of unity, some of which we have mentioned above. But the most obvious reason is that this religion comes from Allaah and it is protected by Allaah. If any other religion had been exposed to the wars, conspiracies and plots that Islam has been exposed to, it would have vanished a long time ago (as we see in the case of other religions). Every rational person will see that a belief which for more than 1400 years has stayed exactly the same as it was at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and is still renewing itself in the hearts of its followers (in love and adherence) like the renweing of a flower in spring – this is the strongest evidence that the religion of Allaah is the true religion. And Allaah is the Guide to the Straight Path.
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    Astagfurillah

    Asslamualaykum
    "Bad'ah" ALLAH tells a lie :astag: :astag: :astag: :astag: :astag::astag: :astag: :astag: ALLAH cannot lie it is we ho lie

    what they say about shahaba(may Allaah be pleased with them),
    prophet :saw: (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) Ayesha and Hafsa were hypocrite and infidel women. :astag: :astag:

    The shia have gone as far as to say that Gibrail alayhisalam made a mistake and rather than giving the prophethood to Ali he gave it to Our prophet :saw: (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) :astag: :astag:

    "He who conceals his religion has saved it, and he who makes it public has destroyed it." :astag: :astag:

    The present Qur'an is abridged where as the Original Qur'an is kept by Imam Mehdi:astag: :astag:

    To ask for help from Ali is not a polytheism but a way of the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.s)".:astag: :astag::astag: :astag: how can prophet :saw: (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say this they have gone mad :angryred:

    Abu Bakr, Umar, Usman and Muawiyah are like idols, they are worst of all the creatures of God. :astag: :astag: they r best creatures than us

    Ayesha was charged of committing open vulgarity:astag: :astag:
    Hazrat Abu Bakr (r.a) could not recite Kalma at the time of his death:astag: :astag:


    MAY ALLAH PROTECT US FROM THEM THEIR BELIFE AAMEEN

    REMEMBER UMMAH IN YOUR :tti_sister:
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    that's nice, islamicfajr, but you know what? i can say the same thing about sunnis. i'm sure you wouldn't want to here it, though, so i'll keep it to myself. but let me say this:

    you should not judge any sect of islam by what some of the people do. yes, there are many sects of shias also, and they do practice wrong things. however, it is not your right to curse them. and still, there are some shia who don't have such practices, but i can see that you think they do when you call them the rafidi. it is an insult to them. and they are called ithna 'ashara. they believe in 12 imams after the prophet. all these imams are from the bloodline of the prophet (p.b.u.h.). i do not see something so wrong in that. you see, just like you say that shia are ignorant and ignore the truth, shia will say the same about you. they will say that, even though sunnis have books which clearly state prophet muhammad farewell speech, and in it he states that ali ibn abi talib shall be his successor. however, some sunni choose to ignore this. so shia will say that abu bakr was ignorant and wanted the khalifah to himself. and you say the same about them. but who's right? (and don't bother telling me sunnis are right, i already know that you think so.)

    another point i wanted to address since the 40th day after hussein ibn ali's death was a few days ago is that many people criticize the shia for there traditions on ashura (the 10 days that imam hussein struggled to defeat his enemies). they say the shia go overboard, and they beat and torture themselves. yes, some shia do this, but that does not mean it is the right thing. that doesn't mean that is the right way of the shia belief. i have a question for you. i was reading about ashura, and came up on some interesting details. muawhiyaa is a man that sunnis praise. they also praise his son, yazid. now, "coincidentally", these two men are the same ones that battled and killed the prophet's grandson, hussein. so, how is it that we are able to praise these men if they killed the prophet's grandson. and some may argue and say that just because hussein was family, it doesn't mean he was good. well, there are many ahadtih that both shia and sunna believe are 100% accurate that state the prophet's love for his two grandsons: al-hasan and al-hussein.

    i would like an answer from you, islamicfajr. and please, no hard feelings. i would like to discuss this rationally and as a curious muslim.

    salam . . .
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    that is effective information, islamicfajr, but i'll have you know that i could say the same things about sunni as you have said about shia. i won't do that, though, because i am sure you would not like to here it. however, i will tell you this: it is not upon you to curse the shia, and judge them by the way their people act. a religion is judged by its rules and morals, not by how its people follow it. there are bad followers of every religion.

    (i want to make it clear before i start ranting that i don't mean to be biased in whatever i say, and i am sorry if it comes out as so. and i don't mean to discriminate. i am merely stating facts that i have researched into great extent.)

    however, i must agree with some of your points. there are, in fact, some shia who believe the stuff you're talking about. but, i also have seen that you are criticizing the ithna 'ashara, whom you insult with the name 'radifi', and i have to say, in their defense, none of the beliefs you have stated are their beliefs.

    the ithna 'ashara believe in the perfection of prophet mohammad (p.b.u.h.), a fact that some sunnis refuse to believe. they, like all muslims, believe in the oneness of allah. but, unlike any other sect of islam, the ithna 'ashara believe in 12 imams following the prophet that are from his bloodline. they believe that, in prophet mohammad's farewell speech, he stated that ali ibn abi talib, his dear cousin, was to become his successor. (if i recall correctly, ali was also the first male to accept islam and stand beside the prophet when no one else did.) now, this part of the speech has been omitted in some books, however, i have even found sunni books that do contain this part of the beautiful speech. however, some sunnis choose to be ignorant and ignore it, instead choosing to believe abu bakr had the right to become khalifa after the prophet.

    now, i wonder why, if the speech has been in both sunni and shia books, and it states that imam ali (r.a.) was to supposed to be the rightful successor, why do some people ignore it?

    also, i wanted to bring up the point of muawiyah. as the post above me states, 'he is a better creature than us'. well, i guess you have your points in believing this, but you'll be surprised at some of the things i have researched. or maybe not so surprised after all. did you know it was muawiyah and his son, yazid, who killed the granchild, imam hussein, of prophet mohammad, the grandchild that the prophet mohammad himself has stated to love. how can we praise the man who killed a man who was beloved to the prophet??

    i would like you, islamicfajr, to answer that question for me, and please know i am not trying to be critical or rude. i am simply asking a question that relates to the topic of sunni or shia.

    i would be most grateful if anyone here answered me . . . .
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    that is effective information, islamicfajr, but i'll have you know that i could say the same things about sunni as you have said about shia. i won't do that, though, because i am sure you would not like to here it. however, i will tell you this: it is not upon you to curse the shia, and judge them by the way their people act. a religion is judged by its rules and morals, not by how its people follow it. there are bad followers of every religion.

    (i want to make it clear before i start ranting that i don't mean to be biased in whatever i say, and i am sorry if it comes out as so. and i don't mean to discriminate. i am merely stating facts that i have researched into great extent.)

    however, i must agree with some of your points. there are, in fact, some shia who believe the stuff you're talking about. but, i also have seen that you are criticizing the ithna 'ashara, whom you insult with the name 'radifi', and i have to say, in their defense, none of the beliefs you have stated are their beliefs.

    the ithna 'ashara believe in the perfection of prophet mohammad (p.b.u.h.), a fact that some sunnis refuse to believe. they, like all muslims, believe in the oneness of allah. but, unlike any other sect of islam, the ithna 'ashara believe in 12 imams following the prophet that are from his bloodline. they believe that, in prophet mohammad's farewell speech, he stated that ali ibn abi talib, his dear cousin, was to become his successor. (if i recall correctly, ali was also the first male to accept islam and stand beside the prophet when no one else did.) now, this part of the speech has been omitted in some books, however, i have even found sunni books that do contain this part of the beautiful speech. however, some sunnis choose to be ignorant and ignore it, instead choosing to believe abu bakr had the right to become khalifa after the prophet.

    now, i wonder why, if the speech has been in both sunni and shia books, and it states that imam ali (r.a.) was to supposed to be the rightful successor, why do some people ignore it?

    also, i wanted to bring up the point of muawiyah. as the post above me states, 'he is a better creature than us'. well, i guess you have your points in believing this, but you'll be surprised at some of the things i have researched. or maybe not so surprised after all. did you know it was muawiyah and his son, yazid, who killed the granchild, imam hussein, of prophet mohammad, the grandchild that the prophet mohammad himself has stated to love. how can we praise the man who killed a man who was beloved to the prophet??

    i would like you, islamicfajr, to answer that question for me, and please know i am not trying to be critical or rude. i am simply asking a question that relates to the topic of sunni or shia.

    i would be most grateful if anyone here answered me . . . .
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    Assalam Alaykum,

    Dear All,

    Remember that the only sect that is saved on Judgment-Day is the one that strictly adheres to holy Quran and authentic Sunnah, You find today so-called "Islamic" sects which claim that they embody true Islam. However, those sects do or say something that is totally against Quran or Sunnah.

    see : Characteristics of the Victorious Group: Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah



    No. u cann't say bad things about Ahlus-Sunnah wal Jamaa'ah

    Alhamdulillah we have everything clear ...an take ur time to Read..n aslo feel free to ask...insha`Allah we can make correction any misconception about us..:) n if u give All ur Scholar in All over the World..or if u Call the past ones from the Grave .....:)..:astag: or if u give ur Shaytan (Khomaini)..

    Here : Fundamental Beliefs in Islam Tawheed and Aqeedah

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    that's good ..then u should know who's Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah are those who adhere to the Sunnah and who unite upon it, not turning to anything else, whether that be in matters of belief (‘aqeedah) or matters of actions which are subject to shar’i rulings. Hence they are called Ahl al-Sunnah because they adhere to it (the Sunnah), and they called Ahl al-Jamaa’ah because they are united (mujtami’oon) in following it.

    If you examine the followers of bid’ah (innovation), you will find that they differ concerning that which they are following, with regard to beliefs, methodology and practices, which indicates that their being far removed from the Sunnah is commensurate with the extent to which they have introduced innovations.



    Majmoo’ Fataawa wa Rasaa’il Fadeelat al-Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him), vol. 1. p. 37

    Look at how shia's people have turned away from a proven Sunnah for the sake of the bid’ahs that they have introduced, confirming the words of the Prophet :saw: (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “No people introduce a bid’ah but something equivalent will be taken away from the Sunnah.” Narrated by Ahmad (16522). Al-Haafiz said in al-Fath (13/253): Its isnaad is jayyid.
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    1st of All : i didn't call them the Rafidah (Rejecters) but thry call themself that

    We were not the ones who called them that, but they were the ones who invented this name for their group. The story of this name is that they came to Zayed bin Ali bin Alhusain and said: "Denounce Abu Baker so we would follow you." He said: "They are the companions of my grandfather. Instead, I will pledge the allegiance to them." They said: "Then we reject you." So they called themselves Rafidah and the ones who agreed with him and pledge the allegiance to him Zaydiyah. (look in the introduction of Ibn Khaldoon). And their Shaikh Almjlessy in his book "The Seas" (where he mentioned 4 of their hadeeths) also mentioned this name.

    Alklyanee stated in his book "Alrawda min Al-Kafi" (a long testament from Mohammad bin Selman from his father) that Aba Basseer said to Abu Abdul Allah "...may Allah make me a sacrifice for you, that we have been given a nickname that broke our backs and killed our hearts and made our blood legal to be spilled by governors in a Hadith that was told to them by their scholars.”

    Abu Abdullah said: AlRafidah?
    He said: "yes." Abu Abdullah responded: By the name of Allah, they did not call you that, but Allah called you that..." Volume 8 (The praises of Shia and their classes) Page 28.

    But then when it was clear to them that this name is the name of an astray group that the Messenger <im prophesied the coming of, and ordered the killing of its followers, some of them tried to deny that name. And we call them that for their rejection of Islam, because it was told that Ali bin Abi Taleb said: the Messenger :saw: said, "Near the end of time, a group will come from my nation that is called Rafidah, they reject Islam."

    Documented in Ibn Hanbal's book. The Hadith that Alklaynee pointed out was what Ali said that the Prophet said: "Should I tell you about a work that if you do, you will be one of the people of paradise? -and you are of the people of paradise- there will be after us people who are called Rafidah, if you reach them (their time) then kill them for they are polytheists." then Ali said: “There will be after us people who will show our love, lie on our behalf, the evidence of that is that they curse Abu Baker and Omar (may Allah be pleased with them).”

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    What Shi'ites say about their 12 Imams:Are Imams better than prophets?


    Dear Muslim Brothers and Sisters in Islam, below is some of the lies that Shi'ites say about their 12 Imams, as some of you might have already known that the Shi'ites are different in many aspects of Islam..... But I'll tell you that the Shi'ites are Not Muslims since they insult Islam with all of their superstitions and lies about their 12 Imams, here are some of the many things that the Shi'ites say about their Imams.

    "All the Imams are infallible just like the prophets. The Shi'ites derive their religion from their immaculate Imams" (Ibid, p. 22) Well this is a clear statement of kufr from the Shi'ites, as you can see they admit that they derive their religion from their Imams, well this means that if a Shi'ite Imam made something that in the Qur'an was lawful, forbidden, the Shi'ites would follow their Imams... by this statement the Shi'ites have taken themselves outside Islam.

    "By listening to the voice of a person, the Imams can tell if the person was destined to go to hell or to heaven; they would thus answer his questions accordingly" (Usool al Kafi, p. 185) Dear Brothers and Sisters, as you can see the Shi'ites make their Imams out to be some God-like being, can't they see that this is Shirk (worshipping other than Allah, or associating partners with him).

    "The Imams possess all the knowledge granted to angels, prophets and messengers" (Al-Kulaini, Al-kaafi, p.255.) Well here is more shirk from the Shi'ites... How can an Imam, who is just a human, know the Unseen??? Only Allah knows the Unseen, and think about this... The Imams were not even Alive at the time of all of the prophets so here is a major contradiction in the Shi'ite faith!

    "The Imams know when they will die, and they do not die except by their own choice" (Ibid, p: 258.) Now, this is a clear statement of kufr. Only Allah knows when a man will die! And these Shi'ites say that their Imams can control when they die?? This is major kufr and shirk for any one to believe in all the things that the Shi'ites say about their Imams!

    "The Imams have knowledge of whatever occurred in the past and whatever will happen in the future, and nothing is concealed from them" (Ibid, p. 260.) Subhanallah!! Only Allah knows the future for any person to say that these Imams know the Unseen is committing Shirk and takes himself outside Islam.

    "The Imams have knowledge of all the revealed books, regardless of the languages in which they were revealed" (Ibid, p. 227.) As you can see these Shi'ites have elevated their Imams to a God-like level, and the Shi'ites say that there is nothing wrong with this!!! Now can we see why the Shi'ites are different to us muslims!

    "No one compiled the Qur'an completely except the Imams, and they encompass all of its knowledge' (Ibid, p. 228) So since the Qur'an was not compiled by the Imams then does that mean that the Quran is fabricated????? These Shi'ites want to even destroy Islam... look at what they say, they even insult the Qur'an!! And it is a well known fact that the Shi'ites have their own Qur'an (On this web site we have an article all about the false lies that the Shi'ites put in their own so called Qur'an).

    "Signs of the prophets are possessed by the Imams" (Ibid, p. 231.) The Shi'ites have once again elevated their Imams to a very high level. The Imams they refer too are only human! So why do the Shi'ites worship them.

    "When the Imams' time comes, they will rule in accordance with the ruling of the prophet David and his dynasty. These Imams will not need to ask for presentation of evidence before passing their judgments" (Ibid,p. 397.) The Shi'ites even think that their Imams can do what ever they want!! Here they say that their Imams can just pass judgment on anybody! And they say that their Imams will not rule by the Qur'an but will rule by the laws of David!! (All Muslims must rule by the Qur'an and Sunnah). This is a proof that the awaited Imam of the Shi'ites is not the one that Muslims believe in but he is indeed the Anti-Christ (A'war al-Dajjal). The one that all Jews are waiting for him.

    "There is not a single truth possessed by a people save that which originated with the Imams, and everything which did not proceed from them is false" (Ibid, p.277.) The Shi'ites have proven themselves to be non-Muslims please dear brothers and sisters look at what these Shi'ites are saying, understand that the Shi'ites are really NOT Muslims!

    Dear Muslim Brothers and Sisters, above is only a small fraction of what Shi'ites say about their Imams... their are many many Shi'ite books claiming the same thing as above about their Imams. So my Brothers and Sisters how can we call these Shi'ites 'Muslim' after what they say about their Imams, If a person worships Idols and does not follow the Qur'an is he a Muslim???? now the Shi'ites worship their Imams and they raise their Imams word over the Qur'an (they say that their Imams word abrogates the Qur'an), so dear Muslims make du'a that Allah guides us on the straight path and exposes the lies that the Shi'ites attribute to Islam, Ameen!
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    well......plz reply if u could..:)

    Why Shia curse the wives of the prophet and his companions?

    The one who curses the wives of the prophet and his companions is:

    Either a irreligious anti-Islamic hypocrite who make a defamation against them as a way of slandering the prophet and as a scheme to attack Islam. All the founders of the Shia's movements belong to this group. Note that not any one of Ahlul-Bayt belong to those Shia.

    Or an inattentive who follows his act according to one's own wishes and ignorant. Almost all the Shia today belong to this group.

    Remember that Abu-Bakr and Umar (may Allah be pleased with them) were the closest companions to Muhammad :saw: as all references indicates and Allah confirmed in the Qur'an. His good treat to them is very well known to Shia. They were both fathers-in-law of the Prophet and his right hand. So, if the Shia claim were correct then we have three possible situations:

    Either they were hypocrites and the Prophet did not know that. This is a great insult to Allah since he did not warn his Messenger from his closest companions.

    Or they were hypocrites and the Prophet knew that. This is even worst since they are insulting the Prophet by claiming that he did not warn his nation from those hypocrites and he made them his relatives.

    Or they were good Muslims and they went astray after his death. This is abandonment from Allah to his messenger since He did not tell him what would happen in the future to warn the Muslim Ummah. How come Allah who promised to support his religion and his messenger, make to closest companions to his prophet renegades and hypocrites?!

    By insulting the wives and the companions of the Prophet , clearly the Shia want people to say: "Muhammad was a wanton man among wanton companions. If he were a virtuous man then his companions will be virtuous people too." The Shia curse the Companions who are the righteous pattern to this Ummah and Allah bear witness for that:

    (Some part is due) to the indigent Muhajirs (the Companions who emigrated from Mecca), those who were expelled from their homes and their property, while seeking Grace from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure, and aiding Allah and His Messenger: such are indeed the sincere ones;

    But those who, before them, had homes (in Medina) and had adopted the Faith, show their affection to such as came to them for refuge, and entertain no desire in their hearts for things given to the (latter), but give them preference over themselves, even though poverty was their (own lot). And those saved from the covetousness of their own souls; they are the ones that achieve prosperity.

    And those who came after them say:

    "Our Lord! Forgive us, and our brethren who came before us into the Faith, and leave not, in our hearts, rancour (or sense of injury) against those who have believed. Our Lord! Thou art indeed Full of Kindness, Most Merciful."
    (Qur'an Hashr: 8-10)

    Contradiction in Shi'ism

    Shia cusses Abu-Bakr and his daughter Aisha, the wife of the prophet , but they regard his son since he fought with Ali. So, they hate the best one in this Ummah after The Prophet and they regard his son who does not have any contribution in raising Islam.

    Shia also claim that they love the family of the Prophet , but they curse his wives who are the most important part of his family!



    see : Who is better and more knowledgeable – Abu Bakr and ‘Umar, or ‘Ali?

    see : The virtue of the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them)

    see :Ruling on hating the Sahaabah

    after that i'll correct Misconception about states that ali ibn abi talib shall be his successor or not But u should tell me ur Evidences i.e which Books u talk about :) n also if u cann't know it give me Shia Evidences :SMILY288: n i'll reply insha`Allah

    But i was ask u some Questions

    Can You, Shia, Answer These Questions?


    Al-Hassan bin Ali relinquished for Mu'awiya and made peace with him, that happened at a time where he had enough armies and allies which would allowed him to continued fighting. Al-Hussain bin Ali came out to war despite the small number of his followers at a time when he could have made peace. This tells us that one of them was right and the other was wrong because:

    If Al-Hassan's concession with the ability to fight was right, then Al-Hussain's war with lack of means was wrong.

    If Al-Hussain's war with lack of means was right, then Al-Hassan's concession with the ability to fight was wrong.

    And this puts you in a place where no one can envy you. Because if you say that both of them are right, you agree to two opposite things and this destroys your roots and logic.

    So if you say that Al-Hussain's action was wrong then you have to believe in the falsehood of his leadership "Imamah" and the falsehood of the leadership of his father and his infallibility. Because he was given a trust and the infallible leader does not give the trust to anyone but an infallible like him. And if you say that Al-Hassan's action was wrong then you have to believe in the falsehood of his leadership "Imamah" and the falsehood of the leadership of his children and progeny because he is the root of their leadership and through him came the leadership. And if the root is wrong, then the branches are all wrong.

    And we say to every Shia:

    Regardless of what you answer to this conundrum, your answer is not convincing for this reason:

    You would believe that Ali accepted to himself what the low Bedouins of the Arabs would not accept for themselves and he is from the Prophet's family? And I repeat the question to you, if Umar's shortcomings are like what you describe then how would Ali accept him as a husband to his daughter? So do the Shia put Ali in a class that's lower than the Bedouins (since Bedouins won't accept this shame for themselves)? And would Al-Hussain accept this? Or would Al-Hasan accept this?

    And if you accept that, then they are less class than the Bedouin of Arabs! and that is not acceptable to us. The issue is that you make up accusations against Umar bin Al-Khattab and then you want us to accept an excuse which is worse than the sin itself. And your excuse is Taqiyya. So was it for Taqiyya that Ali married his daughter off to Umar? You curse Umar, make up bad things about him, and allege that he was an apostate, then after all that you want to claim that Ali was a coward too? This is not acceptable to us for Umar nor for Ali. And if Umar in your opinion is an Infidel and you claim that Ali knew that, then why did he marry him off to his daughter?!

    The whole thing is illogical completely. If the Sahaba (companions of the Prophet) were really apostates, as you claim, then did Ali use Taqiyyah instead of fighting them? If using Taqiyyah is the right thing to do, then why did Ali fight the infidels during the time of the Prophet instead of using Taqiyyah to end the matter? If the Kuffar's land was a land of war (Dar Harb), then the Muslim land -under Abu Bakr and Umar- is for sure a land of war as well. In the land of the Kuffar, the infidels used to be fought and calls for war were called. And in the Muslim land under Abu Bakr and Umar, as you claim it to be a land of war, you consider the Rightly Guided Khalifas infidels just like you consider Yazeed and even worse. Don't you consider them Murtadeen (apostates)? Then what is Ali's duty? To get along with this one and be submissive to others? Would the Imam Ali submit to an infidel (as you claim) who took the mother of Mohammad bin Al-Hanafiyah (the son of Imam Ali bin Abi Talib) as a woman prisoner during the time of Abu Bakr (who in your opinion is an unfair oppressor)? According to Shia Fiqh, everything that an oppressor does and all his rulings are invalid. So why did Imam Ali take that woman and have a child from her? This is an insult to the Imam form your side.

    If you compare Ali with Ammar, then you should remember that Ali's class is much higher than Ammar's since Ali's position to the Prophet was like the status of Haroon to Musa, isn't that what you say? Then how do you compare this to that? And despite all that, it was an exception for Ammar to be used only in times of necessity. But for you, it is a religion and a creed. It is a profession rather than a hobby. Doesn't one of your sayings say "Taqiyya is my religion and the religion of my fathers and grandfathers"? Then it is a religion and not an exception. It is a creed and a root and not a special case. So would Ali submit to the infidels? and would he marry his daughter off to an infidel? and would Ali accept to himself what the lowest of Arabs would never accept? And is there an insult worse than submitting to the infidels? And is there is any more humiliation than marrying his daughter off to a pervert who allegedly hit and caused his wife, Fatimah, to miscarriage? Wouldn't you declare war against him? And you also claim that Umar used to drink Alcohol? And you curse him and accuse him of more insults than that but you still expect Ali to submit to him?

    Then why did Imam Ali go to war against the Kuffar if he was going to submit to the alleged apostates? Then who is supposed to fight against the oppressors and the apostates? And you say that Ammar was given an excuse by the messenger? There were no Ayahs from the Quran about Ammar's leadership as you claim for Ali. And he will not be considered an Imam by you at any case. And he does not carry a responsibly like the responsibility of Ali as you say. This is because Ammar was led but did not lead. And Ali lead, but you claim that he cannot be lead. He was a leader, not a follower. However, he submitted once to Abu Bakr, once to Umar, and once to Uthman and they were all apostates as you claim! Your Taqiyya is a rubber that extends here and shrinks there! You give it to Ammar when he was under torture while it was an exception for one time only. And for Imam Ali, the free man and the brave war hero, you used it to justify his submission to Abu Bakr and then his submission to Umar. Then you used it again to explain his submission to Uthman. Then once again, it was used as a justification for him marrying his daughter Umm Kulthoom to Umar. And again it was used to justify Ali taking Umm Mohammad bin Al-Hanafyeh even though she was a war prisoner and the ruler was an oppressor. This is not allowed in Shia Jurisprudence at all. So it is actually an admittance of the leadership of Abu Bakr. Then what was Ali's duty in the first place if he did not fight oppression and injustice? This is basically the truth of your words.

    Shia References:

    1- Ya'qooby's History, Volume 2, page 149-150
    2- Al-Forroh min Al-Kafy, the book of Al-Nikah, Chapter of The Marriage of Umm Kulthoom. Volume 5, Page 346.
    3- Tahzeeb Al-Ahkam, the book of inheritance, the chapter of inheritance from the drowned and the ones who die under collapsed buildings. Volume 9, Page 115-116.
    4- Al-Shafi by Mr. Murtada Alam Al-Huda, Page 116 and his book "Tanzeeh Al-Anbya" page 141, Tahran Issue.
    5- Ibn Shaher Ashob in his book "Manaqeb Aal Ali bin Abi Talib" volume 3 page 162.
    6- Ibn Aby Al-Hadeed in his commentary on "Nahj Albalagha" volume 3 page 124



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    mmmmm that's meaning u didn't believe in like these Myth...Alhamdulillah..

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    Assalamu alaikum Brother Islamicfajr,

    Jazak Allah khayran for these valuable and very informative topics about shia (rafidah). It is very important for every Muslim to know about them, to beware of their innovations.

    It is sad and frustrating how some people think that sunnis and shia are the same:SMILY286: , and we shouldn`t differentiate between the two. :astag:


    Jazak Allah khayran again!
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    u welcome..here.....

    u saied that about muawiyah

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    mmmmmm it's many different bet. word i Read n word I belief..:)

    any way it's ok......

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    what's Happen was fitnah .....n All them on the right path..

    Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: With regard to the “fitnah” which Allaah attributes to Himself or which His Messenger attributes to Him, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning), ‘Thus We have tried [fatannaa] some of them with others’ [al-An’aam 6:53] and the words of Moosa, ‘It is only Your trial [fitnatuka] by which You lead astray whom You will’ [al-A’raaf 7:155 – interpretation of the meaning], that carries a different meaning, which is a test or trial from Allaah to His slaves by means of good things and bad, blessings and calamities. This is one thing; the fitnah of the mushrikeen is another thing; the fitnah or trial of the believer by means of his wealth, children and neighbour is another thing; the fitnah (tribulation, differences) that happen amongst the Muslims, like the fitnah that happened between the supporters of ‘Ali and Mu’awiyah, and between him and the people of the camel, and between Muslims when they fight one another or boycott one another, is another thing. (Zaad al-Ma’aad, vol. 3, p. 170).

    n u talk about one of The scribes of the Prophet :saw: n uncle of The Believer..Becarful..ok..

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    Our attitude towards Yazeed ibn Mu’aawiyah

    His name was Yazeed ibn Mu’aawiyah ibn Abi Sufyaan ibn Harb ibn Umayaah al-Umawi al-Dimashqi.

    Al-Dhahabi said: he was the commander of that army during the campaign against Constantinople, among which were people such as Abu Ayyoob al-Ansaari. Yazeed was appointed by his father as his heir, so he took power after his father died in Rajab 60 AH at the age of thirty-three, but his reign lasted for less than four years.

    Yazeed is one of those whom we neither curse nor love. There are others like him among the khaleefahs of the two states (Umawi/Umayyad and ‘Abbaasi/Abbasid) and the governors of various regions, indeed there were some among them who were worse than him. But the issue in the case of Yazeed is that he was came to power forty-nine years after the death of the Prophet SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him); it was still close to the time of the Prophet and some of the Sahaabah were still alive such as Ibn ‘Umar who was more entitled to the position than him or his father or his grandfather.

    His reign began with the killing of the martyr al-Husayn and it ended with the battle of al-Harrah, so the people hated him and he was not blessed with a long life. There were many revolts against him after al-Husayn, such as the people of Madeenah who revolted for the sake of Allaah, and Ibn al-Zubayr.

    (Siyar A’laam al-Nubalaa’, part 4, p. 38)

    Shaykh al-Islam described people’s attitudes towards Yazeed ibn Mu’aawiyah, and said:

    The people differed concerning Yazeed ibn Mu’aawiyah ibn Abi Sufyaan, splitting into three groups, two extreme and one moderate.

    One of the two extremes said that he was a kaafir and a munaafiq, that he strove to kill the grandson of the Prophet SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to spite the Messenger of Allaah and to take revenge on him, and to avenge his grandfather ‘Utbah, his grandfather’s brother Shaybah and his maternal uncle al-Waleed ibn ‘Utbah and others who were killed by the companions of the Prophet SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), by ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib and others on the day of Badr and in other battles – and things of that nature. To have such a view is easy for the Raafidis who regard Abu Bakr, ‘Umar and ‘Uthmaan as kaafirs, so it is much easier for them to regard Yazeed as a kaafir.

    The second extreme group think that he was a righteous man and a just leader, that he was one of the Sahaabah who were born during the time of the Prophet and were carried and blessed by him. Some of them give him a higher status than Abu Bakr and ‘Umar, and some of them regard him as a prophet. Both views are obviously false to one who has the least common sense and who has any knowledge of the lives and times of the earliest Muslims. This view is not attributable to any of the scholars who are known for following the Sunnah or to any intelligent person who has reason and experience.

    The third view is that he was one of the kings of the Muslims, who did good deeds and bad deeds. He was not born until the caliphate of ‘Uthmaan. He was not a kaafir but it was because of him that the killing of al-Husayn happened, and he did what he did to the people of al-Harrah. He was not a Sahaabi, nor was he one of the righteous friends of Allaah. This is the view of most of the people of reason and knowledge and of Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah.

    Then they divided into three groups, one which cursed him, one which loved him and one which neither cursed him nor loved him. This is what was reported from Imaam Ahmad, and this is the view of the fair-minded among his companions and others among the Muslims. Saalih ibn Ahmad said: I said to my father, some people say that they love Yazeed. He said, O my son, does anyone love Yazeed who believes in Allaah and the Last Day? I said, O my father, why do you not curse him? He said, O my son, when did you ever see your father curse anybody?

    Abu Muhammad al-Maqdisi said, when he was asked about Yazeed: according to what I have heard he is neither to be cursed nor to be loved. He said, I also heard that our grandfather Abu ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Taymiyah was asked about Yazeed and he said: we do not deny his good qualities or exaggerate about them. This is the fairest opinion.

    Majmoo’ Fataawa Shaykh al-Islam, part 4, p. 481-484

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    Ahl al-Bayt (the members of the Prophet’s family)

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    Everyone must adhere to that which has been enjoined by Allaah and His Messenger, because that is the path to salvation, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

    “And verily, this is My straight path, so follow it, and follow not (other) paths, for they will separate you away from His path. This He has ordained for you that you may become Al‑Muttaqoon (the pious)”

    [al-An’aam 6:153]


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    Assalaam Allaikum

    Shia also believe that Mahdi (the leader for the Muslim Ummah) is hiding in the cave. maybe they are confused between Dajaal (Antichrist) and Mahdi.

    maybe they will start following Dajaal (Antichrist) that day.


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    ARE THOSE STATEMENTS SAID BY SHIA??????

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