Assalam Alaykum,
Dear All,
Remember that the only sect that is saved on Judgment-Day is the one that strictly adheres to holy Quran and authentic Sunnah, You find today so-called "Islamic" sects which claim that they embody true Islam. However, those sects do or say something that is totally against Quran or Sunnah.
see :
Characteristics of the Victorious Group: Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah
that's nice, islamicfajr, but you know what? i can say the same thing about sunnis. i'm sure you wouldn't want to here it, though, so i'll keep it to myself. but let me say this:
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No. u cann't say bad things about
Ahlus-Sunnah wal Jamaa'ah
Alhamdulillah we have everything clear ...an take ur time to Read..n aslo feel free to ask...insha`Allah we can make correction any misconception about us..
n if u give All ur Scholar in All over the World..or if u Call the past ones from the Grave .....
..:astag: or if u give ur Shaytan (
Khomaini)..
Here :
Fundamental Beliefs in Islam Tawheed and Aqeedah
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you should not judge any sect of islam by what some of the people do. yes, there are many sects of shias also, and they do practice wrong things.
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that's good ..then u should know who's Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah are those who adhere to the Sunnah and who unite upon it, not turning to anything else, whether that be in matters of belief (‘aqeedah) or matters of actions which are subject to shar’i rulings. Hence they are called Ahl al-Sunnah because they adhere to it (the Sunnah), and they called Ahl al-Jamaa’ah because they are united (mujtami’oon) in following it.
If you examine the followers of bid’ah (innovation), you will find that they differ concerning that which they are following, with regard to beliefs, methodology and practices, which indicates that their being far removed from the Sunnah is commensurate with the extent to which they have introduced innovations.
Majmoo’ Fataawa wa Rasaa’il Fadeelat al-Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him), vol. 1. p. 37
Look at how shia's people have turned away from a proven Sunnah for the sake of the bid’ahs that they have introduced, confirming the words of the Prophet
(peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him):
“No people introduce a bid’ah but something equivalent will be taken away from the Sunnah.” Narrated by Ahmad (16522). Al-Haafiz said in al-Fath (13/253): Its isnaad is jayyid.
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however, it is not your right to curse them. and still, there are some shia who don't have such practices, but i can see that you think they do when you call them the rafidi. it is an insult to them. and they are called ithna 'ashara. they believe in 12 imams after the prophet. all these imams are from the bloodline of the prophet (p.b.u.h.).
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1st of All : i didn't call them the Rafidah (Rejecters) but thry call themself that
We were not the ones who called them that, but they were the ones who invented this name for their group. The story of this name is that they came to Zayed bin Ali bin Alhusain and said: "Denounce Abu Baker so we would follow you." He said: "They are the companions of my grandfather. Instead, I will pledge the allegiance to them." They said: "Then we reject you." So they called themselves Rafidah and the ones who agreed with him and pledge the allegiance to him Zaydiyah. (look in the introduction of Ibn Khaldoon). And their Shaikh Almjlessy in his book "The Seas" (where he mentioned 4 of their hadeeths) also mentioned this name.
Alklyanee stated in his book "Alrawda min Al-Kafi" (a long testament from Mohammad bin Selman from his father) that Aba Basseer said to Abu Abdul Allah "...may Allah make me a sacrifice for you, that we have been given a nickname that broke our backs and killed our hearts and made our blood legal to be spilled by governors in a Hadith that was told to them by their scholars.”
Abu Abdullah said: AlRafidah?
He said: "yes." Abu Abdullah responded: By the name of Allah, they did not call you that, but Allah called you that..."
Volume 8 (The praises of Shia and their classes) Page 28.
But then when it was clear to them that this name is the name of an astray group that the Messenger <im prophesied the coming of, and ordered the killing of its followers, some of them tried to deny that name. And we call them that for their rejection of Islam, because it was told that Ali bin Abi Taleb said: the Messenger
said, "
Near the end of time, a group will come from my nation that is called Rafidah, they reject Islam."
Documented in Ibn Hanbal's book. The Hadith that Alklaynee pointed out was what Ali said that the Prophet said: "Should I tell you about a work that if you do, you will be one of the people of paradise? -and you are of the people of paradise- there will be after us people who are called Rafidah, if you reach them (their time) then kill them for they are polytheists." then Ali said: “There will be after us people who will show our love, lie on our behalf, the evidence of that is that they curse Abu Baker and Omar
(may Allah be pleased with them).”
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but i can see that you think they do when you call them the rafidi. it is an insult to them. and they are called ithna 'ashara. they believe in 12 imams after the prophet. all these imams are from the bloodline of the prophet (p.b.u.h.).
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What Shi'ites say about their 12 Imams:
Are Imams better than prophets?
Dear Muslim Brothers and Sisters in Islam, below is some of the lies that Shi'ites say about their 12 Imams, as some of you might have already known that the Shi'ites are different in many aspects of Islam..... But I'll tell you that the Shi'ites are Not Muslims since they insult Islam with all of their superstitions and lies about their 12 Imams, here are some of the many things that the Shi'ites say about their Imams.
"All the Imams are infallible just like the prophets. The Shi'ites derive their religion from their immaculate Imams" (Ibid, p. 22) Well this is a clear statement of kufr from the Shi'ites, as you can see they admit that they derive their religion from their Imams, well this means that if a Shi'ite Imam made something that in the Qur'an was lawful, forbidden, the Shi'ites would follow their Imams... by this statement the Shi'ites have taken themselves outside Islam.
"By listening to the voice of a person, the Imams can tell if the person was destined to go to hell or to heaven; they would thus answer his questions accordingly" (Usool al Kafi, p. 185) Dear Brothers and Sisters, as you can see the Shi'ites make their Imams out to be some God-like being, can't they see that this is Shirk (worshipping other than Allah, or associating partners with him).
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The Imams possess all the knowledge granted to angels, prophets and messengers" (Al-Kulaini, Al-kaafi, p.255.) Well here is more shirk from the Shi'ites... How can an Imam, who is just a human, know the Unseen??? Only Allah knows the Unseen, and think about this... The Imams were not even Alive at the time of all of the prophets so here is a major contradiction in the Shi'ite faith!
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The Imams know when they will die, and they do not die except by their own choice" (Ibid, p: 258.) Now, this is a clear statement of kufr. Only Allah knows when a man will die! And these Shi'ites say that their Imams can control when they die?? This is major kufr and shirk for any one to believe in all the things that the Shi'ites say about their Imams!
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The Imams have knowledge of whatever occurred in the past and whatever will happen in the future, and nothing is concealed from them" (Ibid, p. 260.) Subhanallah!! Only Allah knows the future for any person to say that these Imams know the Unseen is committing Shirk and takes himself outside Islam.
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The Imams have knowledge of all the revealed books, regardless of the languages in which they were revealed" (Ibid, p. 227.) As you can see these Shi'ites have elevated their Imams to a God-like level, and the Shi'ites say that there is nothing wrong with this!!! Now can we see why the Shi'ites are different to us muslims!
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No one compiled the Qur'an completely except the Imams, and they encompass all of its knowledge' (Ibid, p. 228) So since the Qur'an was not compiled by the Imams then does that mean that the Quran is fabricated????? These Shi'ites want to even destroy Islam... look at what they say, they even insult the Qur'an!! And it is a well known fact that the Shi'ites have their own Qur'an (On this web site we have an article all about the false lies that the Shi'ites put in their own so called Qur'an).
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Signs of the prophets are possessed by the Imams" (Ibid, p. 231.) The Shi'ites have once again elevated their Imams to a very high level. The Imams they refer too are only human! So why do the Shi'ites worship them.
"When the Imams' time comes, they will rule in accordance with the ruling of the prophet David and his dynasty. These Imams will not need to ask for presentation of evidence before passing their judgments" (Ibid,p. 397.) The Shi'ites even think that their Imams can do what ever they want!! Here they say that their Imams can just pass judgment on anybody! And they say that their Imams will not rule by the Qur'an but will rule by the laws of David!! (All Muslims must rule by the Qur'an and Sunnah). This is a proof that the awaited Imam of the Shi'ites is not the one that Muslims believe in but he is indeed the Anti-Christ (A'war al-Dajjal). The one that all Jews are waiting for him.
"There is not a single truth possessed by a people save that which originated with the Imams, and everything which did not proceed from them is false" (Ibid, p.277.) The Shi'ites have proven themselves to be non-Muslims please dear brothers and sisters look at what these Shi'ites are saying,
understand that the Shi'ites are really NOT Muslims!
Dear Muslim Brothers and Sisters, above is only a small fraction of what Shi'ites say about their Imams... their are many many Shi'ite books claiming the same thing as above about their Imams. So my Brothers and Sisters how can we call these Shi'ites 'Muslim' after what they say about their Imams, If a person worships Idols and does not follow the Qur'an is he a Muslim???? now the Shi'ites worship their Imams and they raise their Imams word over the Qur'an (they say that their Imams word abrogates the Qur'an), so dear Muslims make du'a that Allah guides us on the straight path and exposes the lies that the Shi'ites attribute to Islam, Ameen!
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i do not see something so wrong in that. you see, just like you say that shia are ignorant and ignore the truth, shia will say the same about you. they will say that, even though sunnis have books which clearly state prophet muhammad farewell speech, and in it he states that ali ibn abi talib shall be his successor. however, some sunni choose to ignore this. so shia will say that abu bakr was ignorant and wanted the khalifah to himself. and you say the same about them. but who's right? (and don't bother telling me sunnis are right, i already know that you think so.)
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well......plz reply if u could..
Why Shia curse the wives of the prophet and his companions?
The one who curses the wives of the prophet and his companions is:
Either a irreligious anti-Islamic hypocrite who make a defamation against them as a way of slandering the prophet and as a scheme to attack Islam. All the founders of the Shia's movements belong to this group. Note that not any one of Ahlul-Bayt belong to those Shia.
Or an inattentive who follows his act according to one's own wishes and ignorant. Almost all the Shia today belong to this group.
Remember that Abu-Bakr and Umar (may Allah be pleased with them) were the closest companions to Muhammad
as all references indicates and Allah confirmed in the Qur'an. His good treat to them is very well known to Shia. They were both fathers-in-law of the Prophet and his right hand. So, if the Shia claim were correct then we have three possible situations:
Either they were hypocrites and the Prophet did not know that. This is a great insult to Allah since he did not warn his Messenger from his closest companions.
Or they were hypocrites and the Prophet knew that. This is even worst since they are insulting the Prophet by claiming that he did not warn his nation from those hypocrites and he made them his relatives.
Or they were good Muslims and they went astray after his death. This is abandonment from Allah to his messenger since He did not tell him what would happen in the future to warn the Muslim Ummah. How come Allah who promised to support his religion and his messenger, make to closest companions to his prophet renegades and hypocrites?!
By insulting the wives and the companions of the Prophet , clearly the Shia want people to say: "Muhammad was a wanton man among wanton companions. If he were a virtuous man then his companions will be virtuous people too." The Shia curse the Companions who are the righteous pattern to this Ummah and Allah bear witness for that:
(Some part is due) to the indigent Muhajirs (the Companions who emigrated from Mecca), those who were expelled from their homes and their property, while seeking Grace from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure, and aiding Allah and His Messenger: such are indeed the sincere ones;
But those who, before them, had homes (in Medina) and had adopted the Faith, show their affection to such as came to them for refuge, and entertain no desire in their hearts for things given to the (latter), but give them preference over themselves, even though poverty was their (own lot). And those saved from the covetousness of their own souls; they are the ones that achieve prosperity.
And those who came after them say:
"Our Lord! Forgive us, and our brethren who came before us into the Faith, and leave not, in our hearts, rancour (or sense of injury) against those who have believed. Our Lord! Thou art indeed Full of Kindness, Most Merciful."
(Qur'an Hashr: 8-10)
Contradiction in Shi'ism
Shia cusses Abu-Bakr and his daughter Aisha, the wife of the prophet , but they regard his son since he fought with Ali. So, they hate the best one in this Ummah after The Prophet and they regard his son who does not have any contribution in raising Islam.
Shia also claim that they love the family of the Prophet , but they curse his wives who are the most important part of his family!
see :
Who is better and more knowledgeable – Abu Bakr and ‘Umar, or ‘Ali?
see :
The virtue of the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them)
see :
Ruling on hating the Sahaabah
after that i'll correct Misconception about states that ali ibn abi talib shall be his successor or not But u should tell me ur Evidences i.e which Books u talk about
n also if u cann't know it give me Shia Evidences
n i'll reply insha`Allah
But i was ask u some Questions
Can You, Shia, Answer These Questions?
Al-Hassan bin Ali relinquished for Mu'awiya and made peace with him, that happened at a time where he had enough armies and allies which would allowed him to continued fighting. Al-Hussain bin Ali came out to war despite the small number of his followers at a time when he could have made peace. This tells us that one of them was right and the other was wrong because:
If Al-Hassan's concession with the ability to fight was right, then Al-Hussain's war with lack of means was wrong.
If Al-Hussain's war with lack of means was right, then Al-Hassan's concession with the ability to fight was wrong.
And this puts you in a place where no one can envy you. Because if you say that both of them are right, you agree to two opposite things and this destroys your roots and logic.
So if you say that Al-Hussain's action was wrong then you have to believe in the falsehood of his leadership "Imamah" and the falsehood of the leadership of his father and his infallibility. Because he was given a trust and the infallible leader does not give the trust to anyone but an infallible like him. And if you say that Al-Hassan's action was wrong then you have to believe in the falsehood of his leadership "Imamah" and the falsehood of the leadership of his children and progeny because he is the root of their leadership and through him came the leadership. And if the root is wrong, then the branches are all wrong.
And we say to every Shia:
Regardless of what you answer to this conundrum, your answer is not convincing for this reason:
You would believe that Ali accepted to himself what the low Bedouins of the Arabs would not accept for themselves and he is from the Prophet's family? And I repeat the question to you, if Umar's shortcomings are like what you describe then how would Ali accept him as a husband to his daughter? So do the Shia put Ali in a class that's lower than the Bedouins (since Bedouins won't accept this shame for themselves)? And would Al-Hussain accept this? Or would Al-Hasan accept this?
And if you accept that, then they are less class than the Bedouin of Arabs! and that is not acceptable to us. The issue is that you make up accusations against Umar bin Al-Khattab and then you want us to accept an excuse which is worse than the sin itself. And your excuse is Taqiyya. So was it for Taqiyya that Ali married his daughter off to Umar? You curse Umar, make up bad things about him, and allege that he was an apostate, then after all that you want to claim that Ali was a coward too? This is not acceptable to us for Umar nor for Ali. And if Umar in your opinion is an Infidel and you claim that Ali knew that, then why did he marry him off to his daughter?!
The whole thing is illogical completely. If the Sahaba (companions of the Prophet) were really apostates, as you claim, then did Ali use Taqiyyah instead of fighting them? If using Taqiyyah is the right thing to do, then why did Ali fight the infidels during the time of the Prophet instead of using Taqiyyah to end the matter? If the Kuffar's land was a land of war (Dar Harb), then the Muslim land -under Abu Bakr and Umar- is for sure a land of war as well. In the land of the Kuffar, the infidels used to be fought and calls for war were called. And in the Muslim land under Abu Bakr and Umar, as you claim it to be a land of war, you consider the Rightly Guided Khalifas infidels just like you consider Yazeed and even worse. Don't you consider them Murtadeen (apostates)? Then what is Ali's duty? To get along with this one and be submissive to others? Would the Imam Ali submit to an infidel (as you claim) who took the mother of Mohammad bin Al-Hanafiyah (the son of Imam Ali bin Abi Talib) as a woman prisoner during the time of Abu Bakr (who in your opinion is an unfair oppressor)? According to Shia Fiqh, everything that an oppressor does and all his rulings are invalid. So why did Imam Ali take that woman and have a child from her? This is an insult to the Imam form your side.
If you compare Ali with Ammar, then you should remember that Ali's class is much higher than Ammar's since Ali's position to the Prophet was like the status of Haroon to Musa, isn't that what you say? Then how do you compare this to that? And despite all that, it was an exception for Ammar to be used only in times of necessity. But for you, it is a religion and a creed. It is a profession rather than a hobby. Doesn't one of your sayings say "Taqiyya is my religion and the religion of my fathers and grandfathers"? Then it is a religion and not an exception. It is a creed and a root and not a special case. So would Ali submit to the infidels? and would he marry his daughter off to an infidel? and would Ali accept to himself what the lowest of Arabs would never accept? And is there an insult worse than submitting to the infidels? And is there is any more humiliation than marrying his daughter off to a pervert who allegedly hit and caused his wife, Fatimah, to miscarriage? Wouldn't you declare war against him? And you also claim that Umar used to drink Alcohol? And you curse him and accuse him of more insults than that but you still expect Ali to submit to him?
Then why did Imam Ali go to war against the Kuffar if he was going to submit to the alleged apostates? Then who is supposed to fight against the oppressors and the apostates? And you say that Ammar was given an excuse by the messenger? There were no Ayahs from the Quran about Ammar's leadership as you claim for Ali. And he will not be considered an Imam by you at any case. And he does not carry a responsibly like the responsibility of Ali as you say. This is because Ammar was led but did not lead. And Ali lead, but you claim that he cannot be lead. He was a leader, not a follower. However, he submitted once to Abu Bakr, once to Umar, and once to Uthman and they were all apostates as you claim! Your Taqiyya is a rubber that extends here and shrinks there! You give it to Ammar when he was under torture while it was an exception for one time only. And for Imam Ali, the free man and the brave war hero, you used it to justify his submission to Abu Bakr and then his submission to Umar. Then you used it again to explain his submission to Uthman. Then once again, it was used as a justification for him marrying his daughter Umm Kulthoom to Umar. And again it was used to justify Ali taking Umm Mohammad bin Al-Hanafyeh even though she was a war prisoner and the ruler was an oppressor. This is not allowed in Shia Jurisprudence at all. So it is actually an admittance of the leadership of Abu Bakr. Then what was Ali's duty in the first place if he did not fight oppression and injustice? This is basically the truth of your words.
Shia References:
1- Ya'qooby's History, Volume 2, page 149-150
2- Al-Forroh min Al-Kafy, the book of Al-Nikah, Chapter of The Marriage of Umm Kulthoom. Volume 5, Page 346.
3- Tahzeeb Al-Ahkam, the book of inheritance, the chapter of inheritance from the drowned and the ones who die under collapsed buildings. Volume 9, Page 115-116.
4- Al-Shafi by Mr. Murtada Alam Al-Huda, Page 116 and his book "Tanzeeh Al-Anbya" page 141, Tahran Issue.
5- Ibn Shaher Ashob in his book "Manaqeb Aal Ali bin Abi Talib" volume 3 page 162.
6- Ibn Aby Al-Hadeed in his commentary on "Nahj Albalagha" volume 3 page 124
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another point i wanted to address since the 40th day after hussein ibn ali's death was a few days ago is that many people criticize the shia for there traditions on ashura (the 10 days that imam hussein struggled to defeat his enemies). they say the shia go overboard, and they beat and torture themselves. yes, some shia do this, but that does not mean it is the right thing. that doesn't mean that is the right way of the shia belief. i have a question for you.
mmmmm that's meaning u didn't believe in like these Myth...Alhamdulillah..
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