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justoneofmillion
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:salam2:Appa,something interesting like the shift in medias subjects in the Muslim world where there was a very Islamic oriented media ,during the war of the soviets against the US. whereas now that the Islamic education for jihad as example is less needed ,the satellite owners and big investors grasp to the singers belly dancers and god knows what else... for distraction with Arab and Muslim money.When the money could be better used for educational programs instead of anything else, with such a high percent of analphabetism and unemployment...From those whose intentions are not to educate their folk fearing them of becoming more aware and rebel against them..lol What do you think about that?It should be an interesting field to explore.Tons of books have been written since 1958 on the subject by western intellectuals and thinkers of how to colonize the Muslim world,by preparing the ground through a psychological indoctrination using the medias as a tool,and playing on the very instincts of Muslims in the Muslim lands, to make of them ever consumers more than producers of an alternative view of the world.Whilst their leaders are stuck in a helpless situation with their heads under the guillotine, either they obey and work for the interests of their masters and protectors abroad or they might as well be thrown to the lions aka their own folk.
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jameel
xSharingan01x
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Very nice post.
You can do what Sister Jameel suggested. It's a good idea since you like researching and you seem to be interested in politics that are relevant to Muslims.
To Sister Jameel.
The enemies of Muslims are very good at it their plan, and the poor Muslims are inevitably falling for the 'alternative world view'.
I've met many Muslims who believe the path to prosperity and success lies in adopting Western style of systems and lifestyle. Many are blaming Islam, calling it 'backward' and such and such. Little do they reflect that, no Muslim government has embraced Islam fully and majority of the leaders are very very far from the Deen. Yet, Islam is getting the blame for it.
It's really funny what you said about Afghan Jihad. When the Soviets invaded Afghanistan every Muslim country supported the struggle in Afghanistan whether the leaders were dictators, kings, or whatever. Like you mentioned, so much literature has been written for it. Even the Kuffar were hailing the Mujhadins in Afghanistan.
The SCHOLARS were almost unanimous in support of the leader (they didn't have to fear the leaders).
It baffles me why the case is different now United States has invaded Afghanistan.
Please some1 enlighten me. DOES THE FIQH OF JIHAD CHANGE BECAUSE IT IS UNITED STATES?
Soviet Union was a Kuffar country and so is United States. Both invaded Afghanistan.
Now we hear all this crap from our 'Scholars' about only the EMIR can declare Jihad. Which to a certain extent is true, however what do we do when EMIR is not on the straight path?
They are even going as far condemming the Mujaheedin as terrorist and so on and so on. So the Mujaheedin wasn't terrorist in the 80s? SubhanAllah!
If you say we should revolt against these so called "EMIRS" then they bring out a hadeeth out of context saying 'Rasul Allah salela elahi wasalam' forbade us to revolt against EMIRS.
Rasul Allah salela elahi wasalm also said something along the line of 'when the Muslim witness evil and injustice and they do nothing they are sinning and they will be punished for it".
Rasul Allah Salellahi Wasalam also commanded the EMIRS to establish the rule of Allah on the land. Not only the EMIRS are not establishing the rule of Allah, they are also allowing perversion and corruption to spread in Muslim lands. Night clubs, alcohol, prostitution, corruption, etc etc is a very common thing in Muslim countries. (Yes, I'm aware there are exceptions)
This reminds me of a saying of Umar Radiallahu anhu. Umar asked one of the Sahaba when he was the Khalifa "What will you do when I deviate from the straight path of Allah?" The Companion replied "We will straighten you with our swords". Umar RAA replied something along the line of "I thank Allah that there are people like you in our lands".
I guess Emir Muminin and our righteous generation had a different understanding of Rasul Allah's hadeeth when he discouraged rebellion against leaders.
I'm sure most of you heard of the hadeeth where Rasulallah salela elahi wasalam said "If you follow the tail of the cow and abandon Jihad, Allah will humiliate you'. I believe the hadeeth can be found in Sunan Abu Dawood.
What's more baffling is that, some of these Sheikhs who discourage Jihad and slander Muslims who participate or promote in it by calling them "takferis' 'khajarites' etc etc.. uses verses of the Quran out of context even more cleverly than the Islamophobes.
So their argument goes something like this " We are weak now, so participating in Jihad will lead to our destruction because enemy is too strong"
And they post the verse like this "..Do not throw yourselves into destruction". Quran 2:195
The entire verse is "And spend of your substance in the cause of Allah, and make not your own hands contribute to (your) destruction; but do good; for Allah loveth those who do good. ".
Our righteous generation never had such mentality. They were small in numbers and had insufficient weapons, but nonetheless they had the utmost trust in Allah and that was the most important determining factor in their victory.
Allah gives success to those who place their trust in him.
I believe it was you Jameel, who posted a video by Tariq Sudywen? In one part of the lecture Brother Tariq talked about Abdur Rahman At Thaqafi wanting to lead his army of 2,000 or 4,000? from France through western Europe and then conquer Istanbul.
You have already heard the events leading up to the rise of Salah Ad deen.
Muslims were weak, yet when the leaders failed them a small faction amongst them rose and declared Jihad on the crusaders.
Subhanallah, look at their level of emaan and taqwa.!
First of all do the sheiks do not know that this verse is not about discouraging Jihad.
I'm sure they know this, after all they are scholars and their knowledge is vast compare to what little I know. I'm not being sarcastic or anything.
As far as I know, a Sahaba threw himself into the ranks of enemy consisting of over 10,000 men because he sought Sohada, some of the other Sahabas regretted his action by repeating the above verses "do not throw yourselves into destruction".
Ironically this verse was actually revealed when some of he Ansars put down their weapons went back to farming and trade after Allah gave victory to Islam. So this particular verse, was telling the Ansars to continue Jihad! How clever these sheikhs are. Subnhanallah.
Anyway, sorry to get off topic. I hope i did not offend anyone and I hope my post doesn't get deleted. lol
Allah knows best.
xSharingan01x
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now borther saleem is going to hjave a blast on this thread
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Hey,
Enjoy before the moderators deletes it.
Ghareebah
Bint Abdulkadir
:salam2:
Very nice post.
You can do what Sister Jameel suggested. It's a good idea since you like researching and you seem to be interested in politics that are relevant to Muslims.
To Sister Jameel.
The enemies of Muslims are very good at it their plan, and the poor Muslims are inevitably falling for the 'alternative world view'.
I've met many Muslims who believe the path to prosperity and success lies in adopting Western style of systems and lifestyle. Many are blaming Islam, calling it 'backward' and such and such. Little do they reflect that, no Muslim government has embraced Islam fully and majority of the leaders are very very far from the Deen. Yet, Islam is getting the blame for it.
It's really funny what you said about Afghan Jihad. When the Soviets invaded Afghanistan every Muslim country supported the struggle in Afghanistan whether the leaders were dictators, kings, or whatever. Like you mentioned, so much literature has been written for it. Even the Kuffar were hailing the Mujhadins in Afghanistan.
The SCHOLARS were almost unanimous in support of the leader (they didn't have to fear the leaders).
It baffles me why the case is different now United States has invaded Afghanistan.
Please some1 enlighten me. DOES THE FIQH OF JIHAD CHANGE BECAUSE IT IS UNITED STATES?
Soviet Union was a Kuffar country and so is United States. Both invaded Afghanistan.
Now we hear all this crap from our 'Scholars' about only the EMIR can declare Jihad. Which to a certain extent is true, however what do we do when EMIR is not on the straight path?
They are even going as far condemming the Mujaheedin as terrorist and so on and so on. So the Mujaheedin wasn't terrorist in the 80s? SubhanAllah!
If you say we should revolt against these so called "EMIRS" then they bring out a hadeeth out of context saying 'Rasul Allah salela elahi wasalam' forbade us to revolt against EMIRS.
Rasul Allah salela elahi wasalm also said something along the line of 'when the Muslim witness evil and injustice and they do nothing they are sinning and they will be punished for it".
Rasul Allah Salellahi Wasalam also commanded the EMIRS to establish the rule of Allah on the land. Not only the EMIRS are not establishing the rule of Allah, they are also allowing perversion and corruption to spread in Muslim lands. Night clubs, alcohol, prostitution, corruption, etc etc is a very common thing in Muslim countries. (Yes, I'm aware there are exceptions)
This reminds me of a saying of Umar Radiallahu anhu. Umar asked one of the Sahaba when he was the Khalifa "What will you do when I deviate from the straight path of Allah?" The Companion replied "We will straighten you with our swords". Umar RAA replied something along the line of "I thank Allah that there are people like you in our lands".
I guess Emir Muminin and our righteous generation had a different understanding of Rasul Allah's hadeeth when he discouraged rebellion against leaders.
I'm sure most of you heard of the hadeeth where Rasulallah salela elahi wasalam said "If you follow the tail of the cow and abandon Jihad, Allah will humiliate you'. I believe the hadeeth can be found in Sunan Abu Dawood.
What's more baffling is that, some of these Sheikhs who discourage Jihad and slander Muslims who participate or promote in it by calling them "takferis' 'khajarites' etc etc.. uses verses of the Quran out of context even more cleverly than the Islamophobes.
So their argument goes something like this " We are weak now, so participating in Jihad will lead to our destruction because enemy is too strong"
And they post the verse like this "..Do not throw yourselves into destruction". Quran 2:195
The entire verse is "And spend of your substance in the cause of Allah, and make not your own hands contribute to (your) destruction; but do good; for Allah loveth those who do good. ".
Our righteous generation never had such mentality. They were small in numbers and had insufficient weapons, but nonetheless they had the utmost trust in Allah and that was the most important determining factor in their victory.
Allah gives success to those who place their trust in him.
I believe it was you Jameel, who posted a video by Tariq Sudywen? In one part of the lecture Brother Tariq talked about Abdur Rahman At Thaqafi wanting to lead his army of 2,000 or 4,000? from France through western Europe and then conquer Istanbul.
You have already heard the events leading up to the rise of Salah Ad deen.
Muslims were weak, yet when the leaders failed them a small faction amongst them rose and declared Jihad on the crusaders.
Subhanallah, look at their level of emaan and taqwa.!
First of all do the sheiks do not know that this verse is not about discouraging Jihad.
I'm sure they know this, after all they are scholars and their knowledge is vast compare to what little I know. I'm not being sarcastic or anything.
As far as I know, a Sahaba threw himself into the ranks of enemy consisting of over 10,000 men because he sought Sohada, some of the other Sahabas regretted his action by repeating the above verses "do not throw yourselves into destruction".
Ironically this verse was actually revealed when some of he Ansars put down their weapons went back to farming and trade after Allah gave victory to Islam. So this particular verse, was telling the Ansars to continue Jihad! How clever these sheikhs are. Subnhanallah.
Anyway, sorry to get off topic. I hope i did not offend anyone and I hope my post doesn't get deleted. lol
Allah knows best.
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first of all jameel is a brother..second of all you seem to know alot about the subject of fiqh and aqeeda and blame the shuyoohks of knowledge that they are holding us back from jihad. i can tell you one thing the SHUYOOHKS are not holding you back since your not listening to their advice go to the battle field and defend islam go and get martyred.whats stopping you? im sick of people bad talking our ulema when they haVE NOT even partaken in a battle if your such a brave one wanting martyrdom the battlefields are many for you to choose from...
thirdly you do know (assuming you do) that bad talking a scholar is worse than talking about a normal laye person, because when you say something bad about a scholar,you turn people away from such righteous people and you accuse his knowledge. i remember in another post in current affairs you said that the scholars seem to care about filling their stomachs, which is very haram. if you knew the sin you are doing you would keep quite. i advice you to FEAR ALLAH and to respect the righteous scholars of ahlul sunnah wa jama'ah. and your right when you said you have little knowlege so how ignorant is of you talk about such a huge subject such as jihad. know that when the mongols attacked the muslims, what did ibn taymiyyah do? he saw that the muslims were defficient in their aqeeda, which was curropted by shirk and bidah, so he sought to teach them the correct aqeeda and then HE led them in WAR. READ ABOUT IT
and finally sister mirajmom asked for adive on he 3,000th post and you went off topic.
im only advising you so dont take offense please, read up and gain knowledge, as the saying goes 'little knowledge is very dangerous'
Amir_of_spain
Junior Member
Asalam wailkium. If anyone wants to revolt against any emir or muslim government, go ahead and do so, quit wasting our time by telling the rest of us to do so.
Emir.
Emir.
xSharingan01x
TraVeLer
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first of all jameel is a brother..second of all you seem to know alot about the subject of fiqh and aqeeda and blame the shuyoohks of knowledge that they are holding us back from jihad. i can tell you one thing the SHUYOOHKS are not holding you back since your not listening to their advice go to the battle field and defend islam go and get martyred.whats stopping you? im sick of people bad talking our ulema when they haVE NOT even partaken in a battle if your such a brave one wanting martyrdom the battlefields are many for you to choose from...
thirdly you do know (assuming you do) that bad talking a scholar is worse than talking about a normal laye person, because when you say something bad about a scholar,you turn people away from such righteous people and you accuse his knowledge. i remember in another post in current affairs you said that the scholars seem to care about filling their stomachs, which is very haram. if you knew the sin you are doing you would keep quite. i advice you to FEAR ALLAH and to respect the righteous scholars of ahlul sunnah wa jama'ah. and your right when you said you have little knowlege so how ignorant is of you talk about such a huge subject such as jihad. know that when the mongols attacked the muslims, what did ibn taymiyyah do? he saw that the muslims were defficient in their aqeeda, which was curropted by shirk and bidah, so he sought to teach them the correct aqeeda and then HE led them in WAR. READ ABOUT IT
and finally sister mirajmom asked for adive on he 3,000th post and you went off topic.
im only advising you so dont take offense please, read up and gain knowledge, as the saying goes 'little knowledge is very dangerous'
Assala mu elai kum..
I wasn't sure if the poster was brother or sister since under his name i saw something along the line of 'muslima'. Thank you for correcting me.
Second of all I did not generalize all the Ulama nor did I condem the Ulama concerning other area of knowledge. Yes I'm quite aware that speaking against Ulama is a huge sin, however when I see contradiction in the things the Ulama said I have the right to speak out against that.
Just to give you simple Example, Sheikh Ibn Baz gave a fatwa saying "it is not allowed for Kuffars to work in Saudi Arabia" and he was put in jail for that.
Years later he gave fatwa allowing United States soldiers to come into Saudi Arabia. I'm by no means speaking against the Sheikh and his credibility espicially concerning other fields but I think the Sheik or similar minded Sheikh are faced with pressure to give such fatwas for whatever reasons. Allhu Alam.
Sister You have not responded to my post, but simply spoke against me. If you wish to change my opinion or simply prove me wrong instead of bad mouthing me refute the contents of my post.
Nor did I encourage anyone in my post to engage in Jihad saying "we all should fight" or such and such.
I simply made the point, the scholars should leave the Mujaheedin alone who are fighting against the enemy forces in Muslim lands, instead of joining the Kuffar in their slanders against the Mujaheedin.
I also made the point (or at least attempted to do so) that there is a double standard amongst the scholars. Not all scholars are same, there are exceptions and hence I did not mention any particular names. I wrote my post in a very hasty manner, so I apologize for the content that might have offended any of you.
Brother Amir of Spain and Sister Caramel Queen, what I decide to do myself in the path of Allah, only I know. I'm very aware of my limitations and capability. I've never said anything about Sohada myself. My intention is not known to you, so let's not assume. That is not a subject for you to speculate on. If you feel like I'm wasting your time then simply ignore my post, no need to comment on me.
My post was directed at Brother Jameel (justonofmillion) because he made a comment about Jihad, and I wasn't completely off topic.
Also, Sister Caramel Queen, I did respond to Sister Mirjamom's opening thread, you should read the opening of my post.
The Sheikhs are not holding me back, you're very right. However some of the Scholars are condemning the people who are currently fighting and slandering them. They are making the same statements as the Kuffar governments calling them "terrorist" and such. It's dishonoring our brothers and sisters who are actually doing something. It also confuses many from the masses who does have the intention to join the struggle.
Ibn Tayimma (may Allah have peace and mercy upon him) was not a scholar who kept silent during the midst of catastrophic events. In fact, he event went to the Mongol leaders and spoke against them. Perhaps you should read upon his views on Jihad
Ibn Tayima simply didn't go around educating the masses and gave them a extensive 'course on knowledge', during the time of Mongol invasion. Yes he did educate people and spoke for the need of waging Jihad against the Mongols, however he did not wait for years to give out a fatwa against them. Even though, the leader of the Mongol army (whom Ibn Tayima confronted) was Muslim.The Muslims were weak, yet they fought back. So what are you trying to say? We should make the masses pious Muslims before we can declare Jihad on anyone? That will never happen!
There will always be people who are far from the deen, amongst us. It was the case during the time of Rasul Allah salel la elahi wasalam. Knowledge is not a prerequisite for Jihad (i'm referring to the masses of the Muslims).
The love for Islam, the love for Rasul, and fear of Allah is enough.
Allah knows best
nori suja'i
Junior Member
The meaning of jehad itself is very wide. its not only go to the war against the enemy of Islam but to fight within ourself against the temptations of this world, to fight from the wisper of shaytaan to do bad things also called jehad.
amirah80
*Fear Allah*
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I am closing this thread due to it going extremely off topic and causing agruementation. Mirajmom mom asked for a suggestion for her 3,000 post which the response could have been short and sweet. This turned into another thread within itself. Any problems feel free to pm me.
Salam Amirah80
I am closing this thread due to it going extremely off topic and causing agruementation. Mirajmom mom asked for a suggestion for her 3,000 post which the response could have been short and sweet. This turned into another thread within itself. Any problems feel free to pm me.
Salam Amirah80
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