the NWO?
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MOSABJA
Junior Member
As far as issue of FREE KURDISTAN is concerned I think both TURKEY and KURDISTAN are fighting for the Euphrates river and sources on this belt.
No one is on the right side TURKS are oppressing the KURDS brutally and KURDS too are taking US support to accomplish their plans .I M NOT GENERALIZING ALL KURDS !!!!.AS LAND OF KURDS HAS PRODUCED MANY GREAT MUJAHIDEEN LIKE SALAHUDIN AYUBI .
IN THIS WAR OF RESOURCES WE SHOULD NEITHER SUPPORT KURDS NOR TURKS .BOTH THE PARTIES WHO ARE FIGHTING ARE CURSED(not generalizing all Kurds an Turks) .But remember what Prophet SA said
* Soon the river Euphrates will disclose the treasure [the mountain] of gold. So, whoever will be present at that time should not take anything of it. — Sahih Bukhari.
* The Prophet Muhammad said: "The Hour will not come to pass before the river Euphrates dries up to unveil the mountain of gold, for which people will fight. Ninety-nine out of one hundred will die [in the fighting], and every man among them will say: 'Perhaps I may be the only one to remain alive'." — Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim.
* The Prophet Muhammad said: "The Euphrates reveals the treasures within itself. Whoever sees it should not take anything from it". — Al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, Al-Burhan fi `Alamat al-Mahdi Akhir az-Zaman, p. 28.
* It [the Euphrates] will uncover a mountain of gold [under it]. — Sunan Abi Da'ud.
many SCHOLARS interpret MOUNTAIN of GOLD as the ATTATURK DAM on EUPHRATES which is now becoming a new battle field in middle east.Turkey is constructing more dams.KURDISH cities will be flooded.ISRAEL is FACING WATER SHORTAGE IT TOO HAS EYED EUPHRATES.Iraq and Syria also oppose DAM. WALLAH U ALAM.But KURDISTAN also rich in GOLD and recently EXPLORATIONS have started.So may see GOLD RESERVES IN EUPHRATES.
Remember PROPHET saying who soever present at that time no take anything from it So we should not support those who are fighting to take any thing from these resources because BOTH ARE ON BATIL
No one is on the right side TURKS are oppressing the KURDS brutally and KURDS too are taking US support to accomplish their plans .I M NOT GENERALIZING ALL KURDS !!!!.AS LAND OF KURDS HAS PRODUCED MANY GREAT MUJAHIDEEN LIKE SALAHUDIN AYUBI .
IN THIS WAR OF RESOURCES WE SHOULD NEITHER SUPPORT KURDS NOR TURKS .BOTH THE PARTIES WHO ARE FIGHTING ARE CURSED(not generalizing all Kurds an Turks) .But remember what Prophet SA said
* Soon the river Euphrates will disclose the treasure [the mountain] of gold. So, whoever will be present at that time should not take anything of it. — Sahih Bukhari.
* The Prophet Muhammad said: "The Hour will not come to pass before the river Euphrates dries up to unveil the mountain of gold, for which people will fight. Ninety-nine out of one hundred will die [in the fighting], and every man among them will say: 'Perhaps I may be the only one to remain alive'." — Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim.
* The Prophet Muhammad said: "The Euphrates reveals the treasures within itself. Whoever sees it should not take anything from it". — Al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, Al-Burhan fi `Alamat al-Mahdi Akhir az-Zaman, p. 28.
* It [the Euphrates] will uncover a mountain of gold [under it]. — Sunan Abi Da'ud.
many SCHOLARS interpret MOUNTAIN of GOLD as the ATTATURK DAM on EUPHRATES which is now becoming a new battle field in middle east.Turkey is constructing more dams.KURDISH cities will be flooded.ISRAEL is FACING WATER SHORTAGE IT TOO HAS EYED EUPHRATES.Iraq and Syria also oppose DAM. WALLAH U ALAM.But KURDISTAN also rich in GOLD and recently EXPLORATIONS have started.So may see GOLD RESERVES IN EUPHRATES.
Remember PROPHET saying who soever present at that time no take anything from it So we should not support those who are fighting to take any thing from these resources because BOTH ARE ON BATIL
dna1987
Muslim Guy
Why is it selfish? The kurds are their own people and they are Muslims. The British deliberately split up the countries around to keep a minority group of Kurds in the nation so there would be future conflict. It was done on purpose.
As the different states of America all part of the USA and they have one president, a Kurdistan that's free doesn't sound too bad. As long as they have similar international foreign policies to support all their Muslim brothers and neighbours; there can have their own people in charge of their own local communities.
MOSABJA
Junior Member
I too say that KURDISTAN is not a bad idea.TURKEY is also a SECULAR state.Kurdistan might be less secular.Kurds deserve a home land.
But the INTENTIONS with which some KURDS are fighting is GOLD and ATTATURK DAM.
As PROPHET(S.A) said When EUPHRATES will uncover a mountain of gold.Dont go near it.
Means dont fight for it.Kurds are fighting for it .Turks are fighting for it.BOTH ARE IN LOOOOOSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!:astag:
But the INTENTIONS with which some KURDS are fighting is GOLD and ATTATURK DAM.
As PROPHET(S.A) said When EUPHRATES will uncover a mountain of gold.Dont go near it.
Means dont fight for it.Kurds are fighting for it .Turks are fighting for it.BOTH ARE IN LOOOOOSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!:astag:
MOSABJA
Junior Member
US ADVANCES TOWARDS PLAN
ADVANCE TOWARD PLAN
1) To denuclearize Pakistan a VISCOUS PROPAGANDA is going in West that the nukes
will fall into WRONG HANDS.people like HILLARY CLINTON,OBAMA,EDWARDS
have said they would try to SECURE nukes in case they be president.
2) To seperate PASHTUNS from Nuclear umbrella .Already BUSH and other
important US CONGRESSMEN and CANDIDATES FOR PRESIDENT have said that
they have the right to CONDUCT OPERATIONS inside Pakistan in FATA .
PLUS ROGUE JIHADIS like Fazlullah have been injected to give FATWAAS
against anti POLIO drive,TAKE OUT PAKISTAN FLAG FROM SWAT,Create disturbance
to justify AMERICAN Incursion UNLIKE THE TRUE TALIBAN.Mushy too is prepared to launch large scale operation ins FATA.governor ALI JAN AURAKZAI has resigned.May Allah get him out before he does it.
3) Separatist BLA has been created by RAW in Indian consulated in
Herat Jalalabad kabul Qandahar.they are carrying Sabotage activities
in Balochistan .the Tribal leaders like BALACH MARRI,MENGAL,BUGTI
have been contacted.Baloch tribal leaders have a history of selling
their lands on PEANUSTS.Khan of kallat sold his land to british on
200 RUPEES.Jam of lasbella,Mengal,Marri,Bugti too have a history of
selling their land.SO US KNOWS HOW TO BUY TRIBAL LEADERS.Organizations
like WORLD BALOCH JEWISH ALLIANCE is created whose office is in JERUSLAEM
in ISRAEL from their it posts a BLOG GOV OF BALOCHISTAN IN EXILE which
is banned in pakistan ISPs.Where They claim that the grand son of Khan
of kallat .King Suleman is the legitimate ruler of Balochistan.
4)Saudi Arab has now come in much criticism for supporting and financing
extremism.So the Western media has already started a campaign to defame
SAUDI ARAB and PAKISTAN the 2 biggest enemies.
5)Mossads covert operations in IRAQ have already started a sectarian
war in Iraq and recently US suggested that Baghdad be divided into
3.Shias have been aligned with US and Sunnis are being oppressed for
a SHIA ARAB STATE.
6)the kurds are also supported to launch Incursions into Turkey and now
Kurds are enjoying full patronage of US for a KURDISTAN.
7) Rulers of JORDAN(KING ABDULLAH),YEMEN,OMAN,AZERBIJAN also enjoy the
support of US.
ADVANCE TOWARD PLAN
1) To denuclearize Pakistan a VISCOUS PROPAGANDA is going in West that the nukes
will fall into WRONG HANDS.people like HILLARY CLINTON,OBAMA,EDWARDS
have said they would try to SECURE nukes in case they be president.
2) To seperate PASHTUNS from Nuclear umbrella .Already BUSH and other
important US CONGRESSMEN and CANDIDATES FOR PRESIDENT have said that
they have the right to CONDUCT OPERATIONS inside Pakistan in FATA .
PLUS ROGUE JIHADIS like Fazlullah have been injected to give FATWAAS
against anti POLIO drive,TAKE OUT PAKISTAN FLAG FROM SWAT,Create disturbance
to justify AMERICAN Incursion UNLIKE THE TRUE TALIBAN.Mushy too is prepared to launch large scale operation ins FATA.governor ALI JAN AURAKZAI has resigned.May Allah get him out before he does it.
3) Separatist BLA has been created by RAW in Indian consulated in
Herat Jalalabad kabul Qandahar.they are carrying Sabotage activities
in Balochistan .the Tribal leaders like BALACH MARRI,MENGAL,BUGTI
have been contacted.Baloch tribal leaders have a history of selling
their lands on PEANUSTS.Khan of kallat sold his land to british on
200 RUPEES.Jam of lasbella,Mengal,Marri,Bugti too have a history of
selling their land.SO US KNOWS HOW TO BUY TRIBAL LEADERS.Organizations
like WORLD BALOCH JEWISH ALLIANCE is created whose office is in JERUSLAEM
in ISRAEL from their it posts a BLOG GOV OF BALOCHISTAN IN EXILE which
is banned in pakistan ISPs.Where They claim that the grand son of Khan
of kallat .King Suleman is the legitimate ruler of Balochistan.
4)Saudi Arab has now come in much criticism for supporting and financing
extremism.So the Western media has already started a campaign to defame
SAUDI ARAB and PAKISTAN the 2 biggest enemies.
5)Mossads covert operations in IRAQ have already started a sectarian
war in Iraq and recently US suggested that Baghdad be divided into
3.Shias have been aligned with US and Sunnis are being oppressed for
a SHIA ARAB STATE.
6)the kurds are also supported to launch Incursions into Turkey and now
Kurds are enjoying full patronage of US for a KURDISTAN.
7) Rulers of JORDAN(KING ABDULLAH),YEMEN,OMAN,AZERBIJAN also enjoy the
support of US.
ya allah madad
0mm3afnan
i cant see my country shatterde into pieces ,i acnt see islam confined to the boundries of the SACRED STATE .
everu bit of the map is against muslims but it is "nice"
because the kurds will have their own FREE KURDISTAN?
VERY NICE INDEED
dna1987
Muslim Guy
^ Yes, we are getting a bit off track from the new world order debate. So let's get back to that - I think it should be labelled the Zionist world order cause anyone who looks into it and the Rothschilds etc will realise its a zionist plan for centuries. (protocols of zion .. something like that).
taxhonesty
Info Warrior
why they call it over and over again The New World Order not the zionist world order. All their documents say New World Order.
dna1987
Muslim Guy
In order to keep the people who have some clue to still face the wrong direction.
That's what they are doing with the Democrats and Republicans. Most of the Americans think that they are polar opposites; when in fact they have one huge thing in common - that is their undying love and protection of Israel - and attacking any countries in the Middle East that Israel feel are a threat to them.
Protocols of the Elders of Zion. They claim the book from the 1800s is a hoax. But if you read the book, you'll realise that they book exactly says they would do.
taxhonesty
Info Warrior
Fair enough. However I think all the bickering going on within the group of people that do know what is going on is destructive and counter productive. The New World Order/ Zionist conspiracy/Anglo-American Establishment/The Rogue Network/The Secret Government, these are all synonyms for the same networks and people but because the terminology differs somewhat or people don't agree a thousand and 1 percent then you are CIA fake or zionist disinfo. This pure insanity. We need to stop the name calling, get involved in having a good rational debate, educating others, and talking about issues. If you think Loose Change is disinfo then find a documentary you do like and start distributing it or why not make your own and distribute it yourself because time is of the essence. Everybody needs to do something because time is running out. comment away
MOSABJA
Junior Member
Loose change is not a DIS INFO .The thing mentioned are absolutely right.but we have to see things from a wider perspective which Loose change doesnt see i mean it doesnt talk about ZIONISTS/NEW WORLD ORDER/DAJJAL/CLASH OF CIVILIZATIONS/FREE MASONS e.t.c
But ALLAH HAS HIS OWN PLANS .they can say what ever they want but what will happen will be according to the will of ALLAH.There are many obstacles in this PLAN for making the WORLD LOOK LIKE THIS MANY OBSTACLES HAVE TO BE OVERCOME.like
1)The biggest obstacle in this plan is the possible over throw of MUSHARRAF
either by ANGRY ARMY RANKS or by LAWYERS AND PRO DEMOCRATIC forces.US knows
to get success they need MUSHY to be there for at least another TERM of 5 years
so that he keeps oppressing ordinary PATHANS and ordinary BALOCHS and
cleanse the TALIBAN.The over throw of MUSHY could result in a gov
that rethinks the posture of pakistan on War On Terror and joins hands
with the TALIBAN.
2) The other big obstacle is the TALIBAN .US knows if it intervenes militarily
to disintegrate Pakistan there are possibilities that Military might
join hands with Taliban and with NUKES .US might be forced to leave
Afghanistan which could also over throw OPPRESSIVE CENT ASIAN regimes
and pave the way for HIZBUTAHRIR and IMU(Islamic movement of Uzbekistan)
So even if US is successful in disintegrating pakistan there are possibilites
that in such a scenario there could be UNITED EMIRATES OF TALIBAN stretching
from Pakistan to Afghanistan to Central Asia.
3) third biggest obstacle is the PAKISTAN NUCLEAR CAPABILITY.If US
intervenes Militarily to dis integrate Pakistan NUKES coupled with
GHAURI and SHAHEEN missiles are capable of reaching Israel. US also
is not very sure about where abouts of NUKES.Pakistan nukes are said
to have been kept in secret places along with decoys to cheat a would
be thief.MILITARY though is an ally of US but that's due to strict
discipline If the lower ranks of Army which are mainly middle class
people know that there High command has comprised on
Nukes then there could be a Rebellion.
But ALLAH HAS HIS OWN PLANS .they can say what ever they want but what will happen will be according to the will of ALLAH.There are many obstacles in this PLAN for making the WORLD LOOK LIKE THIS MANY OBSTACLES HAVE TO BE OVERCOME.like
1)The biggest obstacle in this plan is the possible over throw of MUSHARRAF
either by ANGRY ARMY RANKS or by LAWYERS AND PRO DEMOCRATIC forces.US knows
to get success they need MUSHY to be there for at least another TERM of 5 years
so that he keeps oppressing ordinary PATHANS and ordinary BALOCHS and
cleanse the TALIBAN.The over throw of MUSHY could result in a gov
that rethinks the posture of pakistan on War On Terror and joins hands
with the TALIBAN.
2) The other big obstacle is the TALIBAN .US knows if it intervenes militarily
to disintegrate Pakistan there are possibilities that Military might
join hands with Taliban and with NUKES .US might be forced to leave
Afghanistan which could also over throw OPPRESSIVE CENT ASIAN regimes
and pave the way for HIZBUTAHRIR and IMU(Islamic movement of Uzbekistan)
So even if US is successful in disintegrating pakistan there are possibilites
that in such a scenario there could be UNITED EMIRATES OF TALIBAN stretching
from Pakistan to Afghanistan to Central Asia.
3) third biggest obstacle is the PAKISTAN NUCLEAR CAPABILITY.If US
intervenes Militarily to dis integrate Pakistan NUKES coupled with
GHAURI and SHAHEEN missiles are capable of reaching Israel. US also
is not very sure about where abouts of NUKES.Pakistan nukes are said
to have been kept in secret places along with decoys to cheat a would
be thief.MILITARY though is an ally of US but that's due to strict
discipline If the lower ranks of Army which are mainly middle class
people know that there High command has comprised on
Nukes then there could be a Rebellion.
taxhonesty
Info Warrior
Since we are on the topic of New World Order stuff I thought I would post these three links enjoy,
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6987303668075230852
http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_sutton.html
http://www.scribd.com/doc/9707/Amer...roduction-to-Skull-and-Bones-by-Antony-Sutton
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6987303668075230852
http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_sutton.html
http://www.scribd.com/doc/9707/Amer...roduction-to-Skull-and-Bones-by-Antony-Sutton
MOSABJA
Junior Member
The one missile I mean Shaheen 2 has a range of 2500 km can reach israel from some parts of pakistan.Plus there are news that Ghauri 3 having range of 3500 km and shaheen 3 of 4000 km might be tested in first 5 months of 2008.
Though Israel has anti ballistic system.but an agile ballistic missile with multiple warhead(a capability which Pak says it has acquired) has a 40-75% chances of penetration if fired along with other Penetration aids.
So if in case of Full Scale war on pakistan.10 missiles with 4-8 multiple warhead are launched on Israel which makes up a total of 35- 40 small warheads.20 -25 are sure to reach israel (which is a small but most densely populated country) are sure to FIX IT.
Thats why they cant tolerate nukes of pakistan and are making Viscous propaganda .
Though Israel has anti ballistic system.but an agile ballistic missile with multiple warhead(a capability which Pak says it has acquired) has a 40-75% chances of penetration if fired along with other Penetration aids.
So if in case of Full Scale war on pakistan.10 missiles with 4-8 multiple warhead are launched on Israel which makes up a total of 35- 40 small warheads.20 -25 are sure to reach israel (which is a small but most densely populated country) are sure to FIX IT.
Thats why they cant tolerate nukes of pakistan and are making Viscous propaganda .