Umar (r.a) Flogs His Son To Death

[salahdin]

بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ​

Umar (r.a) Flogs His Son To Death



Abu Shahma was a son of Umar. He fought in the battles in Egypt. After the conquest of Egypt he built a house for himself in Fustat.

One day in the company of a friend he inadvertently drank wine and became unconscious. The following day he went with his friend to Amr bin Al Aas, confessed their guilt, and wanted to be punished. Amr bin Al Aas said that as they had drunk the wine inadvertently, and were feeling repentant, that was enough and no further punishment was called for.

Abu Shahma did not wish to avail of the benefit of inadvertence. He insisted that he should be punished according to law, failing which he would bring the matter to the notice of the Caliph. Thereupon Arm bin Al Aas inflicted the usual punishment of lashes in the compound of his house. Abu Shahma's head was also shaved off in the house of the Governor.

The Reporter reported the matter to Umar, and Umar addressed a letter to Amr b. Al Aas in strong terms as follows:

"O Amr bin Al Aas it has come to my notice that you have been derelict in the performance of your duty. You have shown undue favor to Abu Shahma by awarding him punishment in your house rather than at a public place. You were apparently moved by the consideration that he is my son. You should know that in such matters I cannot tolerate any concession to a person on the ground that he is related to me. As soon as you get this letter send Abu Shahma to Medina on a naked camel."

Amr bin Al Aas complied with the instructions and dispatched Abu Shahma to Madina. In the way Abu Shahma fell sick and when he reached Madina he could hardly walk.

Umar was furious, and he ordered that Abu Shahma should be lashed in the public. Abdul Rahman b. Auf pleaded that the boy had already been lashed in Egypt and no further punishment was called for Abu Shahma said that he was suffering, and the punishment should be deferred till he was recovered.

Umar brushed aside these pleadings Abu Shahma was flogged publicly. Abu Shahma could not withstand the ordeal He fell senseless after a few stripes had been inflicted. He remained in a state of agony for a few days and then died a martyr to the highly developed sense of justice of his father.

 

[muharram23]

Salam alaykum

May I ask who narrates this story?

Jazakallahu khair

 

[ShyHijabi]

:salam2:

This seems...false. Can you provide the reference?

 

[arzafar]

ive heard references of this story before. i think this story is genuine. the title is slightly misleading because umar didnt intend to kill his son.

 

[Gernada1492]

:salam2:

This seems...false. Can you provide the reference?

sister shyhijabi, If no reference has been posted, it doesnt mean its false. Do you have any proofs for your claim?

Brother salahdin, please post the reference as I have also read similar story before but cant recall it completely at the moment.

 

[ShyHijabi]

I didn't say it was false I said it seems false. There is a difference. It just seems that the punishment was extreme and not really in line with the "spirit" of the law. Islam is about being Just and this story shows an exteremism that goes beyond justice. So I wanted reference to it's authenticity so I could research the reasoning behind the ruling. (if it is true)

 

[muharram23]

Assalamu alaykum

The reason why I asked for reference is so I can go and find it myself. I would. Like to see who narrates it and what the scholars said about it. If it is authentic, I would like to share with others. If it's not, I would also like to know so I don't spread it around.

There is so much I don't know. The more I kearn, the more I realize how little I know.

See, if I know something is authentic, my heart feels peace. And if I don't know, then I might have doubts. I don want doubts, but certainty.

So, I would really appreciate to know the reference, please.

Barakallahu feek

Wassalam

 

[BrotherInIslam7]

sister shyhijabi, If no reference has been posted, it doesnt mean its false. Do you have any proofs for your claim?

:salam2:

Quite to the contrary, if we don't see any authentic reference there is no absolutely no reason why we should consider this to be a valid narration.

Also, the title is quite misleading.

 

[revert2007]

Assalamualikum.
I hope this will help in sha Allah.

Here is the narration in Arabic from the Musanaf of Abdulrazaq [Rahimahu Allah]:

[ (17047) - أخبرنا عبد الرزاق قال : أخبرنا معمر عن الزهري عن سالم عن ابن عمر قال : شرب أخي - عبد الرحمن بن عمر (1) - وشرب معه أبو سروعة عقبة (2) بن الحارث ، وهما بمصر في خلافة عمر ، فسكرا ، فلما أصبحا انطلقا إلى عمرو بن العاص ، وهو أمير مصر ، فقالا : طهرنا ، فإنا قد سكرنا من شراب شربناه ، فقال عبد الله : فذكر لي أخي أنه سكر ، فقلت : ادخل الدار أطهرك ، ولم أشعر أنهماأتيا عمروا ، فأخبرني أخي أنه قد أخبر الامير بذلك ، فقال عبد الله : لا يحلق القوم على رؤوس الناس ، ادخل الدار أحلقك - وكانوا إذ ذاك يحلقون مع الحدود - فدخل الدار ، فقال عبد الله : فحلقت أخي بيدي ثم جلدهم عمرو ، فسمع بذلك عمر ، فكتب إلى عمرو أن ابعث إلي بعبد الرحمن على قتب ، ففعل ذلك ، فلما قدم على عمر جلده وعاقبه لمكانه منه ، ثم أرسله ، فلبث شهرا صحيحا ثم أصابه قدره فمات ، فيحسب عامة الناس أنما مات من جلد عمر ، ولم يمت من جلد عمر.

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(1) هو الذي يكنى أبا شحمة ، وهو الاوسط ، ولعمر ثلاثة بنين يسمون عبد الرحمن.
(2) في الاصل هنا وفي السادس جميعا (أبو سروعة بن عقبة) ولكن في الاصابة وغيرها أن عقبة بن الحارث نفسه يكنى أبا سروعة ، فليحرر.​

Ibn Hajar Rahimahu Allah said in Al-Isabah:

وأما أهل العراق فيقولون إنه مات تحت السياط وهو غلط انتهى​

وقد أخرج عبد الرزاق القصة مطولة عن معمر بالسند المذكور وهو صحيح​

There is a brief discussion in the Arabic Forum about this narration with several benefits.

Just quick comments:

[1] There is no indication that Abdulrahman [May Allah be pleased with him] died from the beating of Umar [May Allah be pleased with him] to him, rather the opposite is clear from the words of Ibn Umar [May Allah be pleased with him] who attended the incident, who said: "and he did not die from the beating of Umar".

[2] There is nothing that indicates that he intentionally consumed alcohol, since the Arabic mentions that he said to his brother: "we became drunk from a drink we consumed". Ibn Al-Jawzi [Rahimahu Allah] says: "It won't be surprising if he had drank what he drank from a Ta'weel, and got drunk against his will ..." [Arabic multaqa link].

[3] The repunishment of Umar, was not a re-carrying out of the Haad otherwise he would have sent for both Abdulrahman and 'Uqbah [May Allah be pleased with them] ... but the narration says he sent for Abdulrahman.

[4] The narration says that Umar [May Allah be pleased with him] punished his son because of his relation to him. Ibn Al-Jawzi [Rahimahu Allah] also affirms that this second punishment was just a punsihment of a father to his son, not a Haad.

[5] There is nothing in the narration that says the Haad was not carried out in public, rather it says that the head shaving was the one which was not carried out in public. Also there is nothing in the narration that says that the beating of Umar was carried out in public ... from this narration at least.

And Allah knows best

source:another forum

 

[ShyHijabi]

:salam2:

Thank you sister. Does the passage mention if the son died from the punishment?

 

[BigAk]

:salam2:

Thank you sister. Does the passage mention if the son died from the punishment?

It says at the end:

فيحسب عامة الناس أنما مات من جلد عمر ، ولم يمت من جلد عمر

Which translates; "Most people think he died from Omar's lashes; while in reality that was not the cause of his death."

Hope you're well ShyHijabi.

.

 

[Aapa]

Assalaam walaikum,

If it is weak why do they persist in being repeated.

 

[BrotherInIslam7]

Assalaam walaikum,

If it is weak why do they persist in being repeated.

Walaykumsalaam sister,

There are many misguided people who insist on degrading Umar RadiAllahu Anhu in order to please the Shia. This is also found among some scholars from the Indian subcontinent unfortunately. They rely on weak narrations in order to criticize his Caliphate.. May Allah azz zawajal guide them. Ameen

 

[TipuSultan]

Walaykumsalaam sister,

There are many misguided people who insist on degrading Umar RadiAllahu Anhu in order to please the Shia. This is also found among some scholars from the Indian subcontinent unfortunately. They rely on weak narrations in order to criticize his Caliphate.. May Allah azz zawajal guide them. Ameen

akhi please stop talking nonsense.
one who degrades Hazrath Umar(R.A.) is like a kafir. why do u say that people in Indian subcontinent do this?have u got any proof?yes we have got a mutual understanding with shia's here and dont go about killing them like in iraq. but in no ways this means that we say something against the great Caliph nor do shais say about him anything in front of us.

 

[BrotherInIslam7]

akhi please stop talking nonsense.
one who degrades Hazrath Umar(R.A.) is like a kafir. why do u say that people in Indian subcontinent do this?have u got any proof?yes we have got a mutual understanding with shia's here and dont go about killing them like in iraq. but in no ways this means that we say something against the great Caliph nor do shais say about him anything in front of us.

:salam2:

Akhi, I have come across this in the books and lectures of these scholars. I am not talking nonsense. Nor does it please me that such things are done. But this is a fact and I stated it, because sister Aapa asked that why these post still get circulated if they are weak.

Btw we should greet eachother with Salaamalaykum even if we are on a web forum.

Wasalaamalaykum waa rahmatullahi

 

[TipuSultan]

:salam2:

Akhi, I have come across this in the books and lectures of these scholars. I am not talking nonsense. Nor does it please me that such things are done. But this is a fact and I stated it, because sister Aapa asked that why these post still get circulated if they are weak.

Btw we should greet eachother with Salaamalaykum even if we are on a web forum.

Wasalaamalaykum waa rahmatullahi

:salam2: akhi
very sorry for that akhi

no akhi people here dont say anything about him and if u talking about this incident then yes we do mention this incident and we mention it and r proud of Hazrath Umar-we see this as an example and tell people that he was so just that HE even did not spare his own son when he did wrong.
i must say I feel ashamed of people who ask why did he do like this?whatever he did was right and there can be no other judge ever born like him.

and akhi sorry again we r friends

 

[a_muslimah86]

:salam2:

This is exactly why I constantly try to remind people to *reference* their posts..and make *thorough research* about what they're posting..so they'd be acquainted with its validity and context..as to not cause doubts or confusion..

This is one of the many stories which the shias spew against Sayidna Omar bin Al-Khattab (radhiya Allaho 'anh wa ardhah)..in-fact if you try to google the text of the story in Arabic..you'll see that 3/4 of the results show up on *shia websites*..which post this story..and stories even more horrid and disgusting than the one posted here all of which are either false or distorted..all in an attempts to slander Sayidna Omar..and to debate with Ahlul-Sunnah against his virtue!

If we take the time to do research..we would help in ending the *parroting* of these stories for good!..so we should be more careful as to not do work for the deviants..wa Allaho Al-Mosta'aan!

Sister revert2007 (baraka Allaho feeha)..posted a brief explanation about the story..its sources..and level of credibility..and brother ayman1 (jazah Allah khair) provided information to further confirm its level of credibility..and both of their replies will suffice Inshallah..thus..I think it's best that this thread be closed..

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