podolski11
PAIN
assalamualaikum...i was recently talking to a shia about why they beat themselves in muharram and i was like saying it was wrong but then he showed me this
Then his wife came up in great grief, and she struck her face and said: An old barren woman!
Quran [51:29]
(she smote her face,) meaning, she struck herself upon her forehead, according to Mujahid and Ibn Sabit. Ibn `Abbas said that she smacked her face just as women do when confronted with an amazing thing,
Tafsir Ibne Kathir, Tafsir of Surah 51, Verse 29
and this is not condemned anywhere by Allah(swt).
yea i know what your response was to the ayah above.
but she struck her face because of her emotion, and its not condemned by Allah(swt). we hit our chest because of the emotion. "love" and "grief" is a form of emotion. and as you said that she was "amazed" and thats why she struck her face, the "amazed" is a form of emotion. there over you are allowed to beat yourself.
if you say its complete different issue..no its not..Quran says clearly and she struck her face.
meaning that you ARE allowed to hit/beat yourself. thats the whole issue.
IF you claim that she only struck once, meaning that you cannot struck several time.
now i dont get what kind of logic this is...so IF she struck her face again..she would be condemned by Allah(swt)? no ofcourse not.
hitting your face is allowed there over hitting other parts of your body is also allowed.
this is Quranic proof.
but i want evidence from you that its NOT allowed to beat your self in time of grief.
need ur help to answer back
Then his wife came up in great grief, and she struck her face and said: An old barren woman!
Quran [51:29]
(she smote her face,) meaning, she struck herself upon her forehead, according to Mujahid and Ibn Sabit. Ibn `Abbas said that she smacked her face just as women do when confronted with an amazing thing,
Tafsir Ibne Kathir, Tafsir of Surah 51, Verse 29
and this is not condemned anywhere by Allah(swt).
yea i know what your response was to the ayah above.
but she struck her face because of her emotion, and its not condemned by Allah(swt). we hit our chest because of the emotion. "love" and "grief" is a form of emotion. and as you said that she was "amazed" and thats why she struck her face, the "amazed" is a form of emotion. there over you are allowed to beat yourself.
if you say its complete different issue..no its not..Quran says clearly and she struck her face.
meaning that you ARE allowed to hit/beat yourself. thats the whole issue.
IF you claim that she only struck once, meaning that you cannot struck several time.
now i dont get what kind of logic this is...so IF she struck her face again..she would be condemned by Allah(swt)? no ofcourse not.
hitting your face is allowed there over hitting other parts of your body is also allowed.
this is Quranic proof.
but i want evidence from you that its NOT allowed to beat your self in time of grief.
need ur help to answer back