WHAT A PRIEST THINKS ABOUT A MUSLIM

[hayat84]

:salam2:
there is a fact that I wish to make you know and I hope you'll be glad to express your opinion and maybe your similar happening.

a collegue of my husband told him that he goes every Sunday to confess his deeds to the priest.well,my husband told to his collegue to ask the priest how could a man absolve another one and to whom can a priest confess his deeds?
when the collegue referred that fact to the priest,he hardly answered him:<Go far from this muslim man,he will surely make you lose your way!>
Catholic priests hate muslims at the point to swear against them but without admitting their failure.
What is your opinion about this fact?is it so in country?

 

[JenGiove]

:salam2:
there is a fact that I wish to make you know and I hope you'll be glad to express your opinion and maybe your similar happening.

a collegue of my husband told him that he goes every Sunday to confess his deeds to the priest.well,my husband told to his collegue to ask the priest how could a man absolve another one and to whom can a priest confess his deeds?
when the collegue referred that fact to the priest,he hardly answered him:<Go far from this muslim man,he will surely make you lose your way!>
Catholic priests hate muslims at the point to swear against them but without admitting their failure.
What is your opinion about this fact?is it so in country?

Sister Hayat,

I beg you not to clump all priests into one category. Yes, priests have to answer to other priests...ones who are a higher level and specifically trained and educated in dealing with the 'sins' of their own kind.

I could say more but I think I had better remain silent....I tend to get into trouble.. Please know, I have never been a catholic but I know many people who are "Ordained" and who have no problem with Muslims.

 

[hayat84]

indeed I only wrote what has passed to a certain person and I don't mean to put everyone in the some cathegory,but as we muslims know,there is no intercession between us and God,so why could a man allow another man to confess his sins,while it is well known that there is an only God?many priests has been punished from the Church because of sexual abuses over children.
so who can know if behind the veil of the confessionary it hides an impure man?so it is admissible that priests can't commit any sins and that they are more superior than us because they have a "closer"contact with God?

 

[JenGiove]

but as we muslims know,there is no intercession between us and God,so why could a man allow another man to confess his sins,while it is well known that there is an only God?many priests has been punished from the Church because of sexual abuses over children.
so who can know if behind the veil of the confessionary it hides an impure man?so it is admissible that priests can't commit any sins and that they are more superior than us because they have a "closer"contact with God?

Hayat,

I think I understand what you are trying to say. Allow me to say back to you what I think your questions are, just so that we can know what the other means....alright? Please know that what I will be saying does NOT reflect my own beliefs, unless I say so, but I am only trying to bring understanding of another person's views.

but as we muslims know,there is no intercession between us and God

Would you believe that in my own culture/beliefs, there is no intercessor? To fully explain Native spiritual beliefs is more complicated than that but for now, all you need to know is that no one "died for our sins"...

People who believe that Christ (Isa) was the son of God and Man however, do. Both Christians and Muslims alike say "you are wrong, I am right" so arguing any further on that point is moot.

so why could a man allow another man to confess his sins,while it is well known that there is an only God

There are many many many different types of Christians and not all of them have "confessionals" or the like. To my limited knowledge, there is only ONE branch of Christians who practice "confession", the Roman Catholics...the ones associated with the Vatican. Not all Christians are ruled by the Vatican. (I don't know why...it makes no sense to me either...)

many priests has been punished from the Church because of sexual abuses over children. so who can know if behind the veil of the confessional it hides an impure man

And who can know if the Imaan is a man in good standing with his own children or wife? It is a matter of faith and trust. The church has also protected those who have done wrong. It is a serious problem here in America and one that has stirred the fire of people's passion and hate. It is not the Government that is protecting these men, it is the church.

so it is admissible that priests can't commit any sins and that they are more superior than us because they have a "closer"contact with God

This is the sentence that confused me but I think it is a matter of language barrier and not you're being able to explain it or me being able to comprehend/agree. I think you are posing the question that since priests are men, and men are sinful, is it logical to think that these priests have a closer connection to God....I hope that is what you are asking.

No, it's not logical but priest DO have greater learning about the bible and the rulings of the church (Canon) and how it fits into the daily life of someone of that faith. They are scholars, advisors based on greater knowledge, nothing more....but again. I am not nor have I ever been a Roman Catholic.

 

[hayat84]

:salam2:
JenGiove,Isa 'alihi salam wasn't absolutely son of God,if you read the Quran maybe you can open you view.as you said priests have more knowledge than others,but who is he to pose himself to an upper stair?many times they use their carism to gain trust from those who have closed mind,so they fill their pockets with donations and they dress better than humile people.
La Ilaha Illa Allah,Jen Giove,everything you see around you is a creation of Allah.how can priests ask to God to make the rain come,if Allah doesn't want it?both the priest and the Imam have much knowledge:the first ones use their carismathic personality to convince people that Isa(as)is the son of God and that all humans should follow his words(those of the priest)because he knows more than us;the seconds one ,the Imams,lead the 5 prayers everyday and they do it standing in front of muslims as a guide in the prayer,nothing else.Some time ago the Pope decided that even if a baby hasn't received the baptism,he can go to paradise.Allah will decide who will go to paradise or not,we are His creatures and He know us much better than an unknown man who just listens to others' business

 

[arzafar]

:salam2:

yes sister your husband asked a very valid question.
christians are not very good at answering anything tbh. they are the misguided people; recall surah fatiha.

but you should not go into rubbish arguments.

Allah doesnt need any sons and daughters far from sacrificing his son :astag:

Christianity of today is a load of lies.

moreover imam and priest are incomparable. unlike the priests
imam are not divine/holy or have some special connection
imam cannot intercede
imam opinion is just that and opinion.
most imams are poorer than the average person.

imams basically lead the prayer. any muslim man of sound mind and islaamic etiquette can do that. it requires a bit of confidence though!

and mashallah sister hayat you have come a long way since you joined the forums. im impressed with your knowledge that you have gained so quickly praise be to Allah. credit must also go to brother masboot and tti.

 

[Idris16]

I hardly speak bad about other religions but it does really get to me when they say 'Islâm was spread by the sword'.

How was christianity spread in Africa, Asia, The Americas and even Europe?

@Hayat
I don't know how it is in my country, majority of them are atheists

 

[hayat84]

:salam2:
there is nothing that accomunate priests to Imams,but the Day of Judgement.
I obviously thank the "creator"of this forum,because I could give and take everything fi Sabil Lillah.
Muslims have no intercessor,so as they don't associate anything to Allah.And if someone believes that Isa is God,it's like the child who believe at Santa Klaus or Dad Christmas:everybody knows that nothing of that is true,but they do it because for non-muslims it's easier to go to the shop,buy a statue of Little Jesus(astaghfirullah)and go to S.Peters Square and wait that "someone"gives his blessings to billions of Little Jesus,like if they know when Isa was born and how he was in his face.People,wake up!
It exist many kinds of catholicism,but none of those "orders"admit that the last of the Holy Book is the Quran:they stop their words at the misconcept of divinity of a man,because if everybody knew the truth,many people of a certain order would fall to the ground for the shame.
It was written that the churches help the needy:they do nothing for nothing:they open the door to prostitutes,but they leave the clochards sleeping in carton boxes:I saw this reality and it isn't so sweet as maybe can result.it is asked to every honest worker to devolve a part of the money which it was hardly gained,to those associasions for the charity or to help the needies in the third world,while I could see many priests and nuns driving the land rover or the jeep,I saw them with that silver object hanging on the neck.We should give a look to the reality and consider that we muslims,by my personal thinking,are the enemies for them and we'll always be.


Wa La Taqulu Thalatha,Innahu Khayran Lakum(V.170-SuraAn-nisa'a)
:laila:

 

[Aapa]

Asalaam walaikum,

As Muslims we are to exhibit the best of manners. We are not to attack or make fun of other faiths. It just makes us look stupid. We need to gain knowledge of the faith of others and use terms to educate others towards Islam. There are no Muslim scholars here.

We must use logic and a language free of emotions.

Please brothers and sisters refrain from speculation and do not debase wthout knowledge.

 

[stavros_388]

Just to clarify, Eastern Orthodoxy, which has retained many of its principles for 2000, while Rome (Catholicism) has brought in many undesirable changes, also has confession as a religious sacrament. It isn't so much that an Orthodox Christian confesses to the priest to have his sins absolved by the priest, but more or less that the Christian confesses his sins to God in the presence of a priest. Orthodox Christians, believing themselves to be the Mystical Body of Christ, confess to one another in order to be transparent and accountable. Of course, God sees and knows all of this. But as humility is a Christian virtue, confessing ones sins to another is, well... rather humiliating.

 

[Seeking Allah's Mercy]

:salam2:
:<Go far from this muslim man,he will surely make you lose your way!>

:salam2:wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu...

Of course he'll make him lose his way lol.he's loses the way to jahanum with Allah's guidance and your husbands dawah and enters jannah inshallah.

The priest should have been honest,should have said,

:<Go far from this muslim man,he will surely make you lose your wrong and useless ways!>

 

[hayat84]

:salam2:
yes,he'll go to Jannah in Sh Allah.I hope not to disturb too much my form of Dawah-making.
In my little and maybe unmature life,I decided for the sake of Allah to face all those who go around blessing this or that and making them reflect.one time I was at the hospital after I delivered my son,when a priest entered in my room and started to give his blessings to my collegues who had a child.When he approached to my bed I stopped him telling that I'm muslimah and Allah is the Only One Who can do what he was doing.He got silent and went out without looking even my son.
I really feel like a mujahida,ready to sacrify her life to spread the message,but,please,if I sounde too rude,tell me and I'll stop.this thread would by a middle to make clear to the readers who already don't know Islam well,that all around there is the lie,while the truth is in Islam:shake:

 

[a_stranger]

:salam2:

I think that the most beauitfull thing about Islam it connect humans with their creator through Quran directly : Quran open minds to see the work and power of our creator with no intermediat :

51:20 (Picktall) And in the earth are portents for those whose faith is sure,
51:21 (Picktall) And (also) in yourselves. Can ye then not see?


and tell us :

2:186 When My servants ask thee concerning Me, I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the prayer of every suppliant when he calleth on Me: Let them also, with a will, Listen to My call, and believe in Me: That they may walk in the right way.

 

[arzafar]

:salam2:
yes,he'll go to Jannah in Sh Allah.I hope not to disturb too much my form of Dawah-making.
In my little and maybe unmature life,I decided for the sake of Allah to face all those who go around blessing this or that and making them reflect.one time I was at the hospital after I delivered my son,when a priest entered in my room and started to give his blessings to my collegues who had a child.When he approached to my bed I stopped him telling that I'm muslimah and Allah is the Only One Who can do what he was doing.He got silent and went out without looking even my son.
I really feel like a mujahida,ready to sacrify her life to spread the message,but,please,if I sounde too rude,tell me and I'll stop.this thread would by a middle to make clear to the readers who already don't know Islam well,that all around there is the lie,while the truth is in Islam:shake:

no sister dont worry you are doing the correct thing.
also making fun of the kuffar is allowed without being arrogant. i dont think you are arrogant or rude.

 

[Aapa]

Salaam,


Brother, piety and humility towards the Creator does not give us room to make fun of others; nor ridicule their faith. We, who know so little, have no room for arrogance.

 

[hayat84]

:salam2:
thanks for the support.I wish this thread to be a way for the people who don't know what Islam is,to help them to find the right path,and a solution for everyone not to be silent when it's neededto speak.I respect Sister Aapa's opinion,I don't want to make any polemic,but as brother Arzafar said,I'm not doing anything wrong(on the contrary case I might have been warned by some modeartor).
I wrote all this,by the fact that I've passed through all those ways to believe.I was obliged to prostrate to a "guru"or to pray in front of the statues.

One day,I was 8 years old,I entered in a church with my family;they told me to make the sign of the cross and to touch the "holy"water.I saw a big painture of God in front of me(it was just a draw but it influened me)and when I asked to my parents<Is this God?>they answered me not to look at that picture because there was God looking at me:I was traumatised and from that moment I feared to look to all the holy images of the church,until I reached the adolescence.
My thread it's a way to open the eyes to the people who still have fear from the "holy"images or they don't have the courage to say their idea.A priest is a human being like me:what can he have got more than me?I love my faith,and I thank Allah Who gave me many gifts,even if at a first sight I suffered in the past,but Allah gave me a future of happiness and In Sh Allah,I'll make many people understand that we all are creatures of Allah.I don't like to have fun of the others:my desire is to tell them the truth and to let them go with a good remembering of what I meant to say.

Bismillah:A,L,M, dhalika al kitabu la rayba fihi hudan li lmuttaqina(surat Al Baqara,V.1)

 

[Aapa]

Assalaam walaikum,

You are not doing anything wrong.

Most of the priests I have known and worked with have had nothing but respect for Islam.

When engaging in conversation they are well versed in our faith.

We have to be patient with others so they can appreciate our faith.

 

[Seeking Allah's Mercy]

no sister dont worry you are doing the correct thing.
also making fun of the kuffar is allowed without being arrogant. i dont think you are arrogant or rude.

??referance??

 

[hayat84]

:salam2:
so in Sh Allah I'll continue with my "jihad".
I read many hadiths about the signs of the second arrival Of prophet 'isa(as) and of Al-Mahdi and I've got a little of fear in my mind.Time by time I wish to translate them in english(they are in italian)and I'll make you know what is going to happen and what is already happened.
For example a hadith from the reported by Tirmidhi recites<"the signs will come one over one and like the prearls of a necklace will fall down one by one when it gets broken">

In sh Allah I'll make a thread in which I'll post all the hadith about the signs that the End is coming.
After my reading,I felt changed,I felt a shiver in body,because I realized that everyhting I'mseeing around me of fitnah and natural events,are the signs that the Arrival of the Prophet is closer than I imaged.
for this reason,I hope that the readers will think about what it's coming.Then it won't be needed to the priest to confess his sisns to another priest or to God,because his punishment will fall upon him like an iron sword,because of his lies.How can I avoid to say that everybody who took a way far from Islam has to be respected?Me,I want to save my soul and for do this I must spread this message.

 

[Aapa]

Salaam,

As a Muslim, I have to respect the Creation of Allah and understand that I do not know what is the heart of another human being. I have to be humble. It is for the Creator to decide what He Wills.
I have to be faithful to Allah.