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sabina isa
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We alaikum salam,
I got scared with dollar signs
. Others might answer this better, but if you have made it intention to go, may Allah SWT make it easy for you and may you proceed. Happy to hear this for you.
We salam
I got scared with dollar signs
. Others might answer this better, but if you have made it intention to go, may Allah SWT make it easy for you and may you proceed. Happy to hear this for you.We salam
Wa-alaikum assalam,
You could do a break down of all the expenses, hotel costs, travelling from place to place, food, clothing ..profit for the companies?
Its just the way its become, sadly. Although I scoff at the posh companies who promise to take care of everything allowing you to concentrate on your ibaadah, they may seem more reliable, but best to take the middle ground, expect the unexpected, because the craziest things do happen on Hajj, and its all a trial, so I wouldn't pay an extra thousand in the hope some well made advert on Islam Channel, actually told the truth, noway.
I wouldn't set myself up for disaster, but I wouldn't plan on, (or pay for) 'perfection' either.
alf2
Islam is a way of life
Well from what I've been told a lot of them dont ensure everything will go perfect, but it goes a lot smoother vs. someone going alone.
When I do save up enough money for Hajj insha'Allah, I hope Hajj Pro's are still around because I've heard VERY good things about them. They go in groups and they help with complicated matters like the visa. And since you're in a group layovers in the airports wont seem so scary. They also provide someone to translate Arabic - > English.
Asalaam walaikum,
I was at a workshop on hajj today. I looked at the prices and realized it would be easier to look for a husband.
$7000.00 to go to hajj.
The imam told a wonderful true story.
There was a Russian many centuries ago, who made the intention to do hajj. He said goodbye to his family. He was poor and could not afford proper transportation. He started his journey. While he was in Iraq some pilgrims fed him and asked him how long he had been on his journey. He said ten years.
He asked if they had a camel he could have. They did not. But they told him he would be able to make it to Mecca in a couple of months.
Two years later, this pious and strong man, crawled into Mecca.
He had no legs.
Subhana Allah.
I was at a workshop on hajj today. I looked at the prices and realized it would be easier to look for a husband.
$7000.00 to go to hajj.
The imam told a wonderful true story.
There was a Russian many centuries ago, who made the intention to do hajj. He said goodbye to his family. He was poor and could not afford proper transportation. He started his journey. While he was in Iraq some pilgrims fed him and asked him how long he had been on his journey. He said ten years.
He asked if they had a camel he could have. They did not. But they told him he would be able to make it to Mecca in a couple of months.
Two years later, this pious and strong man, crawled into Mecca.
He had no legs.
Subhana Allah.
subhanallah ..amazing story..yes when we think something is haRD, we should remember those w2ho do it by overccoming terrible difficulties and obstacles
i remeber being in hajj and seeing an old man almost bent double leading an even older and more bent over old man by the hand..obviously his father,,,when you see that you thank Allah for your blessings
hayat84
I'm not what you believe
in 2007 my husband's grandmother went to hajj and the price was 7,000 euro because she went with a group of sisters using a travel company which gave her every service.but I've read on google research that if you want to go to Hajj you can do it using a normal jetcompany and it's less expensive,because,as I suppose,there is a great business behind the travels toward Mecca,as there are the same business when it is organized the travel toward Lourdes or Medjugoryie.there would be some bigger presence which guides and decides how business must go on.
faaraa
Nothing but Muslimah
Yes.. Hajj is always expensive..... May be thats why our Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) said its mandatory upon them, who can afford to bare it
But Subhanallah..... every heart love Makkah and pilgrimage.. Subhanallah...
By the way, Aunt Aappa,,,,, lollzz just by looking at the dollar sign I thought you are writing some thing on "ONLINE JOBS"
islamirama
www.netmuslims.com
It all depends on who you go with. The more luxuries you want the more expensive it is. You can go on a $4-5000 package if you are ok with 3 hotels, fetching your own food and stuff. That's the package i took in 2007 and did fine. Or you could pay $7-10,000 and they'll give you 7 start hotels, 3 meals a day buffet style at the hotel, give you food at mina and arafah, private buses, etc.
Some don't even by any of these packages, they just get a group of people in their community and select a leader and go as a group. A group from Oklahoma, Tulsa did that and they were very well organized and i'm sure they saved a lot of money.
So it all varies.
There is also other expenses, such as sacrifice, mina tent cost, and administrative cost saudis charge you for. And then you need some money for your own expenses, buying food, shopping, hair cut after hajj, and bribe money when coming back to give to those greedy porters at the airport or they won't put your luggage on the plane.
Some don't even by any of these packages, they just get a group of people in their community and select a leader and go as a group. A group from Oklahoma, Tulsa did that and they were very well organized and i'm sure they saved a lot of money.
So it all varies.
There is also other expenses, such as sacrifice, mina tent cost, and administrative cost saudis charge you for. And then you need some money for your own expenses, buying food, shopping, hair cut after hajj, and bribe money when coming back to give to those greedy porters at the airport or they won't put your luggage on the plane.
alf2
Islam is a way of life
You have to bribe people to put your luggage on the plane!?
islamirama
www.netmuslims.com
Yes, they call it "buckshish", them billionaire airhead saudis don't even have a real airprot. It's just wide open area with tents. No chairs either, everyone was sitting or laying on the ground, resting till their flight time. you have to run around to find out where your airplane will be and what you need to do (unless your paying for those extra expensive packages, then they'll take care of it for you). Then the porters carry your luggage and drop it off by the plane with you and you get in a line. There's a supposedly "agent" ahead standing behind a podium with his little computer. He does his thing so you can get on the plane and gives the luggage to the guy standing behind him who will put it on the belt going into the plane. But he will leave it there and not put it on the belt unless you give them some "buckshish" or they will just move onto the next person behind you. We refused to pay and they took care of the people behind us. So we had no choice but to pay. Then we paid some money to the computer guy and the back guy ran forward for some too and we stood back and the computer guy gave him the "ok", he was tossing our luggage and zamzam water on the belt instead of putting it gently because he was all pissed because he didn't get some "buckshish" either. way to treat the hajjis....
those saudis as you call them have a special terminal speifially for hajj..dont forget they have to deal with millions at one time ..not an easy task,,,
and those porters are surely poor workers just eaning a lving like anyone else..in any country porters expect tips...
your so quick to criticise ,dont forget the billions beiong spent to constantly improve faciliteis in mecca..to give more space and cater for more people,,,the area for throwing stones used to be very dangerous because of crowds....now there are four seperate levels to mae it easier
running between safa and marwah used to be onstantly congested,now it has been widened and another level added...
so before youcriticise think of all the good things too,
and surely if your coming to hajj in a sacred place ,its not advisable to criticise in this way..
Assalaam walaikum,
But it is important to know what to expect outside the spiritual journey.
I do not need to eat with stars on the menu. And I do not do well in crowds.
I am making intention and will supplicate with each salat, InshaAllah, next year is my goal.
So...can I take my own mini-tent?
But it is important to know what to expect outside the spiritual journey.
I do not need to eat with stars on the menu. And I do not do well in crowds.
I am making intention and will supplicate with each salat, InshaAllah, next year is my goal.
So...can I take my own mini-tent?
islamirama
www.netmuslims.com
I'm aware of all the good done as well as how little it is done compared to how much they have squandered over the 60-70 years. They are building a new airport now for hajjis but for time being, there's nothing there but big tents.
Who say it is not advisable to criticize, i'm not criticizing the hajj, just the morons running the place, by that i mean everyone from arab airlines to airport people to those with squandering Ummah's wealth as if it was their own. Before you jump to defending your saudi in laws, i suggest going to hajj first and experience it yourself. Do it as a westerner, not a saudi's wife.
Assalaam walaikum,
You hit the problem on the nose. We do waste money. And we need to be aware of our responsibilities for wasting Allah's wealth.
Yet, the other side of the coin is this and tell me if I am on the right track.
We wish to fulfill an obligation from the bottom of our hearts. I guess it is not to be easy. We see how much the love of profit has filtered into what really should be minimal cost to pilgrims.
My question thus becomes are these mere obstacles that stand in our way to the spiritual retreat that is mandatory for us.
Does this make sense.
You hit the problem on the nose. We do waste money. And we need to be aware of our responsibilities for wasting Allah's wealth.
Yet, the other side of the coin is this and tell me if I am on the right track.
We wish to fulfill an obligation from the bottom of our hearts. I guess it is not to be easy. We see how much the love of profit has filtered into what really should be minimal cost to pilgrims.
My question thus becomes are these mere obstacles that stand in our way to the spiritual retreat that is mandatory for us.
Does this make sense.
islamirama
www.netmuslims.com
Companies make lot of money during this time. Majority of the local hotel's and companies annual earning comes from this one event alone. I saw the rates my hotel and they charged around 400 riyaals a nightly during the year and around 800 to a 1000 a night riyals during hajj season. Then there also greedy companies outside that charge a lot to take you to hajj. For example, in Egypt they charge you as much as in the US for hajj when you can do it in 1/3 the amount over there. In pakistan its better, you can get your hajj for about $1000 dollars where as it's at least $5k here.
As for the pilgrims, they are of all kind. Some with money or just concerns go for the expensive packages so their hajj is a breeze. Others go with what they can afford. The less ease you have and more you have to struggle there, the more your reward will be inshallah.
There are hadiths that say not everyone's hajj will be accepted and this was apparent from their behaviors during the hajj. Some were smoking while in their ihrams, people shoved you like crazy trying to get to the stone in the kaaba and so forth. And yet there is also hadith of how a one person will perform a perfect hajj and Allah may accept everyone's hajj because of him.
So all in all, buy the package you can afford and do your best while there as you are guest of Allah in His house, so act like a guest and focus on your spirituality.
islamirama
www.netmuslims.com
zakat? you mean qurbani/sacrifice instead?
Millions of animals are slaughtered and meat distributed to the poor in other countries.
alf2
Islam is a way of life
zakat? you mean qurbani/sacrifice instead?
Millions of animals are slaughtered and meat distributed to the poor in other countries.
Masha Allah.
Question: I know only Muslims may enter Makkah, how do they determine Muslims from non-Muslims? Do they take our word for it or what? I have a non-Muslim name. What would I need to do?