did i gave my own fatwa?

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ditta

Alhamdu'Lillaah
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Asalamu Alykum,

I think by driving someone away from the Quran by listening to music is like when reading or listening to it, it wont have the same effect, that feeling you get inside when you hear a ayah/verse that deeply touches you, like the thread created about "ayahs/verses that have deeply touched you", i wonder if a muslim brother/sister stopped listening to music for a week and read those verses during the week, i wonder what effect it would have, as there are some really touching verses. I have noticed this personally. Although it could be different for others as you said.

Alhamudlilah

Wasalam


what i disgree is when you say, music will make someone far from the Quran. even if it is true with you, when you listen to music it push the Quran out from your heart, you may not guarentee it will be the same to others.
 

presa1200

Junior Member
:salam2:

Most nasheeds don't contain music but if it did, then someone becoming muslim as a result wouldn't make music halal would it? Many people have become muslim as a result of a lot of negative things, eg, the anti islam stance of news agencies, near death experiences, friendships with VERY bad muslims. That doesn't mean we go around encouraging the media's hate campaign against islam, causing near death collisions etc......

wasalam

brother, i understand your statement.

so based on your opinion, you said nasheed doesn't contain musical accompaniment. And you said music (musical instrument) and Quran cannot stay in the same heart.

can i assume by saying singing is ok in islam. But music is not ok because it disturb the Quran in our heart.

Musical instruments contains chords and melody, so same goes to singing. It may have solo vocal, group choir or few voice backup with chords accompanying the main vocal.

so to what extend until you prefer singing rather than music since both are the same category?
 

presa1200

Junior Member
Asalamu Alykum,

I think by driving someone away from the Quran by listening to music is like when reading or listening to it, it wont have the same effect, that feeling you get inside when you hear a ayah/verse that deeply touches you, like the thread created about "ayahs/verses that have deeply touched you", i wonder if a muslim brother/sister stopped listening to music for a week and read those verses during the week, i wonder what effect it would have, as there are some really touching verses. I have noticed this personally. Although it could be different for others as you said.

Alhamudlilah

Wasalam

i think we can put in this way:

in islam there is no force to follow. One must bear the responsibility for what he did.

and everyone has freedom to choose what is best for himself.

If he thinks music can make him feel peaceful, he can go on. Otherwise, he can stop it right away.

The most important is we must do our best to get accepted by Allah.
 

FaiQ_KhaLiFa

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well, i think i have already said what i have to say, and i would like to say here that i will stick to what i have said. it is not just my personal opinion, i have already mentioned my references and proof, eventhough there are still more to share.

MUSIC IS NOT ABSOLUTELY HARAAM.

and i have to remind here, a reminder from our Lord:

"Say, in disavowal of them, 'Who has forbidden the adornment of God which He has brought forth for His servants, in the way of garments, and the good things, the delicious foods, of [God's] sustenance?' Say: 'These, on the Day of Resurrection, shall be exclusively (read khālisatun meaning 'exclusively theirs', or khālisatan as a circumstantial qualifier) for those who believed during the life of this world, deservedly, even if others should share it with them. Thus We detail the signs, We explain them in such detail, for a people who know', [who] reflect, for they are the ones to profit from these [signs]."
(al A'raaf:32)

if someone still want to know the nas and proof, i will be willingly to share it here. i'm not an expert, i'm just sharing what i've learnt, and with reference to reliable sources. i'm a humble student, and will never finish my study untill the end of my life.

let us fear Allah alone. and to him we pray to guide us to the right path.
 

Abdul-Raheem

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:salam2:

brother, i understand your statement.

so based on your opinion, you said nasheed doesn't contain musical accompaniment. And you said music (musical instrument) and Quran cannot stay in the same heart.

can i assume by saying singing is ok in islam. But music is not ok because it disturb the Quran in our heart.

Musical instruments contains chords and melody, so same goes to singing. It may have solo vocal, group choir or few voice backup with chords accompanying the main vocal.

so to what extend until you prefer singing rather than music since both are the same category?
I don't know what else to say brother, Musical instruments are considered haram by the majority of scholars, singing is not. Like I said before, use the search function and you'll find the answers to these questions which you repeatedly ask.

wasalam
 

presa1200

Junior Member
:salam2:


I don't know what else to say brother, Musical instruments are considered haram by the majority of scholars, singing is not. Like I said before, use the search function and you'll find the answers to these questions which you repeatedly ask.

wasalam

it's ok. we may have different opinions but we are still muslim brothers and sisters alltogether.

no matter musical instrument is halal or haraam, Allah is the ultimate Judge.

And choose the best way to comfort our progress of learning.

cheers.
 

AllpraisetoAllah

Junior Member
:salam2:

Iktilaaf about a matter means that the one group ulama doesn't outnumber the other group ulaama with a opinion.But if there is a majority ulamaa who have a opinion about that something is haraam ..then it's haraam. And it's like this with music... there is no ikhtilaaf the majority ulamaa plus all the great ulamaa say it's CLEARLY Haraam .. and the person who does listen to music with musical instruments is sining..

these aren't my words but the words of the great scholars.. there is so much evidence about music being haraam. I can say with 100% being sure that music /musical instruments are haraam .. I'm not talking about anasheed without musical instruments.. and the daff without the rinkles that is allowed for only women at the time of eid and weddings.
Can you say that music/musical instruments are 100% allowed.. how can something be not totally haraam and not totally halaal.. okay if u say there is doubt about this matter.. why would u put ourself in the place doing something in which there is doubt .. isn't it better to stay away from that matter.. I mean if your hart isn't attached to music like you say .. isn't it easy to stay away from it and just listen to something that u know for sure it's not haraam and will benefit you like duruus/quran

there is enough evidence of the quran and sunnah. A lot of hadith in sahih al bukhari AND THE ISNAAD ARE SAHEEH.. there are so many fatwa's and articles placed on this forum about music being haraam.. so I don't really need to post them again here .. but if you want a reminder and want all the saheeh hadith and evidence in the quran then .. no problem I can post them

:wasalam::blackhijab:
 

AllpraisetoAllah

Junior Member
:salam2:

I think this a very good and clear fatwa and explains and a answer to this thread hope you all read it insha'Allah:

Statement from the Standing Committee for Academic Research and Issuing Fatwas concerning the prohibition of singing and music

Question:
I read an article by some writer which said that singing and music are permissible, and refuted those who say that these things are haraam. He encouraged the broadcasting of recordings by dead singers as a means to preserve their memory and the art that they produced during their lives and lest the living be deprived of listening to that art and seeing it. He said: There is no text in the Holy Qur’aan which forbids singing and music, and in the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) we have a good example, and he used to listen to singing and music, and enjoined them at Eid and on occasions such as marriage and other joyous occasions. Then he said: And there are da’eef (weak) ahaadeeth which some quote as evidence that singing and music are forbidden, but it is not right to attribute them to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) in order to support an opinion or prevent something that some people do not agree with. Then he quoted the opinions of some of the scholars who say that singing is allowed.

Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.
The Standing Committee for Academic Research and Issuing Fatwas issued a statement refuting this article, the text of which is as follows:
The scholars of the Standing Committee said:
In refutation of these specious arguments the Committee has stated the following:
Firstly: it is not permissible for anyone to discuss matters of sharee’ah except scholars of sharee’ah who are specialized and qualified to research and examine issues. The writer of this article is not a seeker of shar’i knowledge (taalib ‘ilm) so it is not permissible for him to discuss something in which he is not specialized. Hence he has made many mistakes and said many ignorant things, and spoken about Allaah and His Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) without knowledge. This is a sinful matter and is misguiding his readers. By the same token it is not permissible for the media – newspapers, magazines, etc – to give space to those who are not scholars of sharee’ah to discuss shar’i rulings and write about things that are not their specialty, so that the Muslims may be protected from their ideas and beliefs.

Secondly: Nothing can benefit the deceased after his death except that which is indicated by the shar’i evidence, such as the report in which the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “When a man dies, his (good) deeds come to an end except three: ongoing charity, beneficial knowledge and a righteous son who will pray for him.” Narrated by Muslim, 1631. As for the sins that a person committed during his lifetime, and died without having repented from them – including singing – he will be punished for them unless Allaah forgives him for them by His Grace and kindness. So it is not permissible to resurrect them and revive them after he has died, lest that sin be added to the sins that he committed during his lifetime, because the harm of that extends to others, as the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever introduces a bad practice into Islam, the burden of that sin will be upon him, as will the sin of those who do it after him, without that detracting from their burden in the slightest.” Narrated by Muslim, 1017.

Thirdly: With regard to his comment that “There is no text in the Holy Qur’aan which forbids singing and music,” this reflects his ignorance of the Qur’aan. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing) to mislead (men) from the path of Allaah without knowledge, and takes it (the path of Allaah, or the Verses of the Qur’aan) by way of mockery. For such there will be a humiliating torment (in the Hell fire)”
[Luqmaan 31:6]
The majority of mufassireen say that what is meant by Lahwa al-hadeeth (“idle talks”) in this verse is singing. Another group says that it is every sound of entertainment, which includes flutes, stringed instruments and so on. All of these mislead men from the path of Allaah and cause misguidance. It is proven that Ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him), the great Sahaabi who was one of the scholars of the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) said, commenting on this verse: “By Allaah, this refers to singing.” And he said: “It causes hypocrisy to grow in the heart as water causes herbs to grow.”
And there are many ahaadeeth which point to the prohibition of singing and musical instruments and indicate that they are a means which leads to great evil and bad consequences. The great scholar Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah be pleased with him) discussed the rulings on singing and musical instruments in great detail in his book Ighaathat al-Lahfaan.

Fourthly: This writer tells lies about the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) by saying that he used to listen to songs and music and enjoined them at Eid and on occasions such as marriage and other joyous occasions. It is proven that he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) granted a dispensation to women only, when there are no men present, allowing them to beat the daff and sing nasheeds which are free of any mention of love or the music and instruments, which includes the permissive songs that exist nowadays. Rather he allowed nasheeds that are free of such offensive characteristics and he allowed beating the daff only, not other kinds of drums or musical instruments, to proclaim marriage. It is narrated in saheeh ahaadeeth, as in Saheeh al-Bukhaari, that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade musical instruments of all types and issued stern warnings against them. It is narrated in Saheeh al-Bukhaari and other books of hadeeth that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There will be among my ummah people who will regard as permissible zina (adultery), silk, alcohol and ma’aazif (musical instruments). Some people will camp at the top of a mountain with their shepherd looking after their sheep, and a poor man will come and ask for something, and they will say, ‘Come back to us tomorrow.’ But Allaah will destroy them and level the mountain, and will turn others into monkeys and pigs until the Day of Resurrection.”
The word ma’aazif (translated above as musical instruments) refers to singing and all kinds of instruments. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) condemned those who regard as permissible zina (adultery), the wearing of silk for men and the drinking of alcohol, and who listen to singing and musical instruments. He mentioned that alongside zina, alcohol and the wearing of silk by men, which indicates that singing and musical instruments are emphatically forbidden.

Fifthly: With regard to this writer’s comment that there are da’eef (weak) ahaadeeth which some quote as evidence that singing and music are forbidden, but it is not right to attribute them to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) in order to support an opinion or prevent something that some people do not agree with, this reflects his ignorance of the Sunnah, for the evidence that singing is forbidden is to be found partly in the Qur’aan and partly in Saheeh al-Bukhaari, as stated above, and partly in other books of Sunnah, which the earlier scholars used as evidence that singing and music are forbidden.

Sixthly: The opinion of some scholars who allow singing is an opinion that is refuted by the evidence which forbids that. The point here is that we should follow what the evidence says and not that which goes against it. We may take or leave the words of anyone except the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).
This writer must repent to Allaah from what he has written, and he should nor speak about Allaah and His Messenger without knowledge, for speaking about Allaah without knowledge is mentioned alongside shirk in the Book of Allaah.
May Allaah help us all to learn the truth and follow it.
May Allaah send blessings and peace upon our Prophet Muhammad and upon his family and companions.

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al-fajr

...ism..schism
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well then, consider this:

imam al Bukhari from a hadeeth from ar Rubaiyyie' binti Mu'awwiz said: the prophet pbuh came at my wedding day, he entered and sat on my carpet at the distance as how you sit from me now. my jariah (female servants) were playing drums and singing, praising the greatness of my elderly that was killed in Badr war, untill one of them said: "and at our side is the prophet, who knows what will happen tomorrow..." then the prophet said: "leave those words, and say what have you said before"
soheeh Bukhariy (4001), chapter War and (5147) chapter Marriage, Abu Dawood (4922) chapter Ethics, at Tirmudzi (1090) chapter Announcing Marriage, an Nasaie in al Kubro and at Tuhfah (11/302), Ibn Hibban in hi soheeh (5878) and al Baihaqi 7/289 from Basyar bin al Mufaddhal.

and this one:
Ibn Hibban in his soheeh said, Aesya r.ha said:
a jariah from the Ansar was in my care, then i married her with a guy. when the prophet pbuh entered at that day, he found out there was no any singing or celebration. the he pbuh said: O Aesya, have you sing to celebrate it? (in other lafaz: don't you want to sing to celebrate it?) then the prophet pbuh said: truly Ansar brothers love singing.
soheeh Ibn Hibban (al Ihsan:5875).

and this:
an Nasaie in chapter: Entertaining Wife, hadeeth # 74, from as Saaib bin Yazid said: A lady came to meet Rasulullah pbuh, then he asked Aesya: "O Aesya, do you know who she is? Aesya said: no, O Messanger of Allah. Rasulullah pbuh then said: She is qayyinah bani fulan, do you want to listen to her song? then the lady sang for Aesya.

is there anyone here dare to say that the music and singing had pushed out the Quran from the heart of our beloved prophet Muhammad pbuh?

:salam2:

are u at all aware of the type of music thats out there bro?
i dont think u can place the mild voices of the Ansar in Madina in the same category as heavy metal/rock/obscene lyrics thts what i believe has serious negative impacts, it plays constantly in ure mind and affects the concentration of ure prayers later on, ive experianced this first hand. Allah has commanded us to guard our ears as they are the first point of entry to our hearts...its easy to close ones eyes so something doesnt corrupt our hearts but the ears are much more difficult to protect

but i also disagree with groups like 'Outlandish' and Sami Yusuf cos they sound too similar to non-muslim groups/singers but thats a matter of opinion which i wont dispute about.

:wasalam:
 

presa1200

Junior Member
:salam2:

are u at all aware of the type of music thats out there bro?
i dont think u can place the mild voices of the Ansar in Madina in the same category as heavy metal/rock/obscene lyrics thts what i believe has serious negative impacts, it plays constantly in ure mind and affects the concentration of ure prayers later on, ive experianced this first hand. Allah has commanded us to guard our ears as they are the first point of entry to our hearts...its easy to close ones eyes so something doesnt corrupt our hearts but the ears are much more difficult to protect

but i also disagree with groups like 'Outlandish' and Sami Yusuf cos they sound too similar to non-muslim groups/singers but thats a matter of opinion which i wont dispute about.

:wasalam:

yes i do agree with you heavy metal/rock and obsence music must be prohibited in muslim community. but how about playing piano for leisure?

we must instead protect our ears from listening those unhealthy words and phrases, and keep our eyes away from maksiat.

Can internet be prohibited? because it may lead to zina and misguides.
 

Mrmuslim

Smile you are @ TTI
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salaam alikom brother and sister

seems some people still want to state their opinion above the opinion of the shyokh if that the case please don’t POST on here and allowing what the shyokh and scholar said about this issue.

Who we are to state our opinion or to say Music is not Haram ?!!

Let see! Abu Baker the best companion of the prophet peace be up on him and the best person in this Ummah after the prophet peace be up on him in his life was there any music ... Music instrument been available since the time of the prophet peace be up him, the Arab use to dance and listen to the music before Islam, did they ever listen to the music after Islam?

Did Umar Bin Khatab , Ali , Uthman Radi Allah 3anham did it ? and the prophet peace be up on him said in the hadith follow my sunnah and the sunnah of the guided Khalfaa after me

Please don’t state your opinion and miss guide others because no matter who you are if one of the member followed what you saying you will be taking his/her sins till the day he or she stop or till the Day of Judgment

Again please don’t open this topic again you want to listen to music go head it’s your life do what you like but don’t try to proof the wrong you doing by stating this halaal.

This is the last time I am closing this topic next thing appropriate action will be taken with out warnings

and last but not least .... would you like to die while you singing a song or saying La Ilha Ila Allah Mohammed Rasool Allah !
because what ever be on your tongue while you are a life will come on your tongue at the the time of death.
I love you all but I think enough is enough :)
Wa salaam
 
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