Hi
Please comment on the discussion below:
Q - Is Islam internally misogynistic?
Answer : Yes
1. Islam doesn't allow a women to beat her husband, but allows husbands to beat their wives (even if it is under very extreme conditions). Why the double standard?
2. No Female prophets that we know of: The Qur'an says that Allah sent prophets for every society. We also know that women in society weren't always insignificant in history. Why did Allah not send even one prophet of the gender of half the population of the world?
3. Was Eve/Hawa (RA) actually created from Adam's (RA) rib? If so, isn't that misoginistic?
4. Why was Eve/Hawa (RA) created after Adam (RA)? Why couldn't Allah make them together or maybe Eve/Hawa (RA) first?
5. Hijab is more strict for women than men. Why aren't they equal or more strict for men?
6. Why doesn't Islam allow women to marry more than one man and yet allow men to marry more than one women?
Counter:
1A. Due to more physical strengths of husband over wives under most circumstances it is something that is not feasible.
1B. The Qur'an doesn't allow men to beat their wives. It has be misinterpreted, and it actually say that you can scold them.
2. Men is all society before the time of the Prophet (PBUH) were in a better position to serve as messengers than women were. That argument doesn't hold now, but we now, we have enough advancement to preach the words of the Prophet (PBUH) to each other and do not need another prophet before the last days.
3. It's not true and is made up.
4. ----
5. Biologically, men are stimulated to a large extend by sight compared to women. Thus the 'extra' strictness over what a women exposes than men.
6A. At the end of times there will be more women than men. But I don't know why in a current world with almost equal numbers, Allah did not make equal rules, and put a criteria like 'when it reaches a 1-2 ratio, then we allow multiple marriages'
6B. Marriage is not as important in previous and even current society for men as it are for women. Islam allows multiple wives under strict conditions to make sure that there is a way for all the women in a society to find a husband if they want to marry.
Answer : No
1. Islam allows women to divorce their husbands
2. Islam stopped the burial of infant girls
3. Islam enforces the practice of 'hijab' and other separation of woman and man in society so as to control sexual desires, and in doing so benefit women overall.
Counter:
1. Islam did something that is generally fair, and although it is commendable that they weren't misogynistic in this once case, doesn't mean that they aren't elsewhere.
2. same as 1.
3. If hijab is such a good thing, then why didn't Allah make it more equal? Why doesn't both men AND women or JUST men have strict rules for hijab as opposed to mainly women.
All of this is my current knowledge on the debate of misogynistic and Islam. Some I'm not sure of. Please let me know what you think about the various arguments and their counters, and please add more if you know of any. Please add it to both sides, if you are aware of any even if you disagree with it just to encourage a more knowledgeable debate.
In doing so to set some standards, I would like you to keep in mind that there is nothing that is impossible for Allah and although somethings may seem utterly fantastic to us now its not an argument against why things are so: like allowing women to beat their husbands. But as a counter: keep in mind that there is one unanswered question that we might never know and that is why set up the parameters of the world in the way it is...gender, multiple species, multiple societies and so on..and so we need to accept that the world we live in fair or not is the world we were put in for a reason that may be beyond our understand.
Thanks
Please comment on the discussion below:
Q - Is Islam internally misogynistic?
Answer : Yes
1. Islam doesn't allow a women to beat her husband, but allows husbands to beat their wives (even if it is under very extreme conditions). Why the double standard?
2. No Female prophets that we know of: The Qur'an says that Allah sent prophets for every society. We also know that women in society weren't always insignificant in history. Why did Allah not send even one prophet of the gender of half the population of the world?
3. Was Eve/Hawa (RA) actually created from Adam's (RA) rib? If so, isn't that misoginistic?
4. Why was Eve/Hawa (RA) created after Adam (RA)? Why couldn't Allah make them together or maybe Eve/Hawa (RA) first?
5. Hijab is more strict for women than men. Why aren't they equal or more strict for men?
6. Why doesn't Islam allow women to marry more than one man and yet allow men to marry more than one women?
Counter:
1A. Due to more physical strengths of husband over wives under most circumstances it is something that is not feasible.
1B. The Qur'an doesn't allow men to beat their wives. It has be misinterpreted, and it actually say that you can scold them.
2. Men is all society before the time of the Prophet (PBUH) were in a better position to serve as messengers than women were. That argument doesn't hold now, but we now, we have enough advancement to preach the words of the Prophet (PBUH) to each other and do not need another prophet before the last days.
3. It's not true and is made up.
4. ----
5. Biologically, men are stimulated to a large extend by sight compared to women. Thus the 'extra' strictness over what a women exposes than men.
6A. At the end of times there will be more women than men. But I don't know why in a current world with almost equal numbers, Allah did not make equal rules, and put a criteria like 'when it reaches a 1-2 ratio, then we allow multiple marriages'
6B. Marriage is not as important in previous and even current society for men as it are for women. Islam allows multiple wives under strict conditions to make sure that there is a way for all the women in a society to find a husband if they want to marry.
Answer : No
1. Islam allows women to divorce their husbands
2. Islam stopped the burial of infant girls
3. Islam enforces the practice of 'hijab' and other separation of woman and man in society so as to control sexual desires, and in doing so benefit women overall.
Counter:
1. Islam did something that is generally fair, and although it is commendable that they weren't misogynistic in this once case, doesn't mean that they aren't elsewhere.
2. same as 1.
3. If hijab is such a good thing, then why didn't Allah make it more equal? Why doesn't both men AND women or JUST men have strict rules for hijab as opposed to mainly women.
All of this is my current knowledge on the debate of misogynistic and Islam. Some I'm not sure of. Please let me know what you think about the various arguments and their counters, and please add more if you know of any. Please add it to both sides, if you are aware of any even if you disagree with it just to encourage a more knowledgeable debate.
In doing so to set some standards, I would like you to keep in mind that there is nothing that is impossible for Allah and although somethings may seem utterly fantastic to us now its not an argument against why things are so: like allowing women to beat their husbands. But as a counter: keep in mind that there is one unanswered question that we might never know and that is why set up the parameters of the world in the way it is...gender, multiple species, multiple societies and so on..and so we need to accept that the world we live in fair or not is the world we were put in for a reason that may be beyond our understand.
Thanks