Pakistan agrees Sharia law deal

Mohsin

abdu'Allah
Pakistan agrees Sharia law deal

Pakistan has signed a peace deal with a Taleban group that will lead to the enforcement of the Islamic Sharia law in the restive Swat valley.

Regional officials urged the Taleban, who agreed a 10-day truce on Sunday, to lay down their arms permanently.
Once one of Pakistan's most popular holiday destinations, the Swat valley is now mostly under Taleban control.

Thousands of people have fled and hundreds of schools have been destroyed since the Taleban insurgency in 2007.
Chief Minister of North West Frontier Province Ameer Hussain Hoti announced a bill had been signed that would implement a new "order of justice" in the Malakand division, which includes Swat.

The bill will create a separate system of justice for the whole region.
The BBC's M Ilyas Khan, who was recently in Swat, says the Taleban had already set up their own system of Islamic justice, as they understand it.

Their campaign against female education has led to tens of thousands of children being denied an education, our correspondent says.
US envoy to Pakistan and Afghanistan Richard Holbrooke, who is in India, said he needed more information on the deal but that the situation in Swat had "deeply affected the people of Pakistan, not just in Peshawar but in Lahore and in Islamabad".

Mr Holbrooke said Swat "demonstrates a key point and that is that India, the United States and Pakistan have all a common threat now... [we] all face an enemy which possesses a direct threat to our leadership".


'Very positive'

The government of North West Frontier Province had been holding talks with local militant leader, Sufi Mohammad, on making amendments to the enforcement of Sharia in Swat.
Sufi Mohammad, a pro-Taleban cleric, is the father-in-law of Maulana Fazlullah, who has been waging a violent campaign to impose Sharia in the region.
Mr Hoti said: "An agreement has been reached with Sufi Mohammad's delegation and this is a great breakthrough.

"The recommendations and proposals have been finalised, but they can only be implemented after peace is achieved." Mr Hoti said President Asif Ali Zardari had "in principle... approved this package".

Mr Hoti said the agreement had not been made "under pressure from anyone" and was not unconstitutional.
"It was reached after realisation that it was the demand of the people."
The chief minister said the government had done all it could and asked for the Taleban to now lay down their arms.

He said a grand jirga (council) led by Sufi Mohammad would now be going to Swat to get all the factions to comply.
The Taleban have said they will examine the document before ending hostilities permanently.

The Agence France-Presse news agency quoted Sufi Mohammad as saying: "We had been holding negotiations with the government on a 22-point charter of demands for quite some time. There were differences on five points, which were removed in a meeting on Sunday."

Sharia law has been in force in Malakand since 1994. But appeal cases are heard in the Peshawar high court, which operates under the civil code.
Our correspondent says there will be alterations to the appeals process - a point of contention often cited by the militants for their continued insurgency.

The agreement will bind the provincial government to implement Sharia law in the Malakand division, which comprises Swat and its adjoining areas.
The people of Swat have been caught in the crossfire between the army and the Taleban, our correspondent says.
More than 1,000 civilians have died in shelling by the army or from beheadings sanctioned by the Taleban. Thousands more have been displaced.
The Taleban now control the entire countryside of Swat, limiting army control to parts of the valley's capital, Mingora.
Many people in Swat now would favour an early exit by the army as they have failed to roll back the Taleban or protect the Taleban's opponents, says our correspondent.

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slaveofAllah88

Slave of Allah (swt)
aslam o alikum
my question is how not teaching wome a shariah law this is so stupid, i thought as a muslim ur suppose to listen to the ruler incharge??
 

yameenahmed

Junior Member
aslam o alikum
my question is how not teaching wome a shariah law this is so stupid, i thought as a muslim ur suppose to listen to the ruler incharge??

so why should we be in this world brother if we are going on listening to the ruler then when we will listen to the ruler of the world read hadith and quranic verses brother as u though of doing dawah u should know every thing
 
:salam2: I feel there form of shariah law is not good. I have nothing against shariah law but they dont follow it the right way. And they are so rigid in there beliefs which is wrong. Half of them dont even know arabic just read some books and memorized quran and decided that they have right to give fatwas. I am against taliban form of shariah law.
 

Idris16

Junior Member
:salam2: I feel there form of shariah law is not good. I have nothing against shariah law but they dont follow it the right way. And they are so rigid in there beliefs which is wrong. Half of them dont even know arabic just read some books and memorized quran and decided that they have right to give fatwas. I am against taliban form of shariah law.
:wasalam:
Have you been in afghanistan or Pakistan? Have you witnessed talibans' sharia law?

Taliban have been unjustly attacked by foreign invation! :wasalam:
 

helpinghumanity

Junior Member
:salam2: I feel there form of shariah law is not good. I have nothing against shariah law but they dont follow it the right way. And they are so rigid in there beliefs which is wrong. Half of them dont even know arabic just read some books and memorized quran and decided that they have right to give fatwas. I am against taliban form of shariah law.

:salam2:

The western media is controlling our thoughts, our opinions and our decisions. I guess what ever you wrote above is coming straight from the media.

However without arguing with any one I WOULD LIKE YOU TO SEE AND ELSE TO SEE (if you have already seen it, then please see it again) THE VIDEO OF Yvonne Ridley.

She is the perfect example to show the character of Talibaan.

There is a huge difference between watching on media and living side by side with the people.
 

slaveofAllah88

Slave of Allah (swt)
aslam o alikum
i just want to clairfy like i have nothing against Shariah law infact i follow it and i think its the best way to go ... but stuff like killing innocents, not letting women work or educate LIke how is that Shariah law?
they are doing wrong things in the name of Islam
some might say my views are biased due to media they r not I have been to those areas, these so called Rulers (the shariah law givers) are the most cruel ppl there, they carry guns with them and bully everyone, they dont let people educate themselves, and force women to cover up fully, I remember Dr Zakir naik saying there is no where in the Quran about Burka about hijab there is no Burka its women who think they need to be more modest thats an extra but how is that islam that we force every women to wear burka. I would like to remind ppl again and again Surah 2 verse 256
Allah swt says " let there be no compulsion in religion"

When Allah told us dont force anyone into religion then what gives them the right to force people, thats not Islam.. Islam is a peaceful religion, we are not backward ppl that carry guns , we should carry pen/pencil and gain knowledge
and Yvonne Ridley the one that is mentioned above she said a really important thing
Islam is perfect but muslims are not

So try following the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) and listen to Quran and invite all to the way of thy lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching no where it says put a gun on their head
 

IslamicGirl24

Junior Member
I agree. Destroying the schools of girls is not at all allowed in Islam... is it?? No hadith says that you should not let women to educate. But the tribesmen don't understand this. Most of them are ignorant.. by this I mean that they believe blindfully in whatever they are told. And whts more, all day long they stand in the streets with riffles in their hand and the local people are just tormented. The people who live in these areas are beheaded without any sane reason. this is no way to impose shariah law or to spread Islam.. no way at all. We see and read countless stories of the people being tortured and killed. and these are REAL stories, nobody is making them up.
 

al-fajr

...ism..schism
Staff member
If you can believe stories from the kuffar ..give this article a chance too.
Destroying Schools: How About the Taliban's View?

Written by Bint Abu Umar

"We are Muslims. Had there not been an Islamic system of education and curriculum, then it would have been all right to import a system of education belonging to others. But fortunately, Islam provides its own system of education, politics, economics and justice…If Islam is a complete code of life, then what is the need to import education from the United Kingdom?" - Haji Muslim Khan (spokesman for Taliban in the Swat valley)

In the Name of Allah, we invoke peace and blessings upon His Messenger.

The past few weeks have witnessed an increasing number of slanderous remarks against the Taliban concerning their bombing of schools in the Swat Valley, foremost originating from the mouths of Muslims.

This article aims to underscore the importance of holding back our tongues against our Muslim brothers and sisters when we do not know their angle of the story. The prophet صلى الله عليه و سلم informed us that "A person utters a word thoughtlessly [i.e., without thinking about its being good or not] and, as a result of this, he will fall down into the fire of Hell deeper than the distance between the east and the west.'' [Al Bukhari and Muslim] This article also examines the reasons and justifications the Taliban have provided and whether what they have done is an action based upon wisdom or barbarity. The analysis in this article is based solely on information that is publicly available. Views of the Taliban that have not been reflected in public sources will consequently not be reflected in this article.

One has to question why it is so difficult to find an honest analysis of the Taliban's actions from the point of view of the Taliban themselves. To add insult to injury, the ease with which ordinary Muslims 'issue' fatwas, ruling the Taliban as 'barbaric animals' and 'those whom we should wage jihad against' is abhorrent. Subhan Allah! Not only are they those who have no knowledge concerning the reality on the ground, they do not have knowledge of the deen. The Shaykh of Islam, Ibn Taymiyyah (رحمه الله) said in his Al Fatawaa Al Kubraa [4/185], "In matters of jihad one should rely on the opinion of those who have a sound knowledge of religion and also experience of the world. Those ulema who do not delve deep into matters of religion and examine only the surface and those who have no experience of the world should not be consulted." So, how can we have the audacity to issue fatwas when even ulema who have knowledge of one type and not the other, are not to be consulted? Who is better than those on the ground to understand what is really going on? Have we lost the capability to understand, let alone be at ease with, the views of those who America and her allies are not comfortable with, (even though they may be upon the haqq)?

Let's take a look at what the Taliban have said. In an interview with Syed Saleem Shazad of Asia Times, Haji Muslim Khan (spokesman for Maulana Fazlullah and one of the senior commanders in the Swat Valley) was asked whether the movement is "against both men's and women's education" to which he replied, "this is sad, that we are slaves in all sections of our society… Nobody is ready to sit with the Taliban and ask what they want from all this. The education system and the curriculum are both remnants of the British."

Two important points are highlighted in this quote. Firstly, the average individual does not want to understand the Taliban's point of view even though as the perpetrators of this act, they should be consulted first. Rather, we rush to form opinions that are favorable to our desires and intellect. Secondly, the curriculums being taught in the schools were based on a non-Islamic system. Why, when Allah سبحنه و تعالى has blessed us with a complete way of life, do we then need to resort to a system which either distorts the deen of Allah, or does not teach it, period? Any government when designing an education policy for its citizens ensures that the fruits of its policy are loyal subjects, who further the culture, religion, and values of the respective government using whatever resources are available. This is why Thomas Babington Macaulay, a British Minister of Parliament who was serving on the Supreme Council of India, (a British Colonial Institution), stated in 1835 in his infamous Minute on Indian Education:

"It is impossible for us, with our limited means, to attempt to educate the body of the people. We must at present do our best to form a class who may be interpreters between us and the millions whom we govern; a class of persons, Indian in blood and colour, but English in taste, in opinions, in morals, and in intellect. To that class we may leave it to refine the vernacular dialects of the country, to enrich those dialects with terms of science borrowed from the Western nomenclature, and to render them by degrees fit vehicles for conveying knowledge to the great mass of the population."

This particular speech was made regarding the imposition of English as the main language of education to be used in India. It was mandated for the purpose that it would produce "a class of persons, Indian in blood and colour, but English in taste, in opinions, in morals, and in intellect," and who would further the aims of their colonial masters. Pakistani cities are abundant with the type of people Macualay had in mind. They may wear Pakistani clothes, eat Pakistani food, look Pakistani but when it comes to their way of thinking, their beliefs and their values, they are essentially "English in taste." I do not mean here those Pakistanis who have studied in the West and subsequently returned. I mean, the home-bred Pakistanis who have spent their whole lives studying in English-medium schools, and local universities. 'Islam' has become something that is limited to saying 'inshaAllah' and 'mashaAllah' and salah has become a set of movements of going up and down. If the class of people that the existing school system in Pakistan produces are weak Muslims whose aim is to live a comfortable life, and not work towards establishing the laws of Allah on the earth then it surely is not the generation of the Sahaba who we should strive to emulate. Surely something must be wrong with the current education system!

Shouldn't the desire of every Muslim be to worship Allah -as His Majesty deems fit- and to live under His laws? If so, then the Shari'ah of Allah which is currently non-existent on the earth, naturally needs to be established in all aspects of our lives. To establish His laws, do we not then need an education system which teaches our children from the very beginning about their duties in the dunya and the importance of raising the banner of la ilaha illal lah? So, how is it possible to establish an Islamic state without the proper means of education to further this aim?

The schools in Swat consist of a similar variety of those found in the rest of Pakistan. Some of these schools are government- owned, some are missionary schools (e.g. The Missionary Girls High School Sangota), and some are semi-government owned (e.g. Excelsior College Swat). Some of these schools had co education in them and some taught Christianity.

As far as the two above schools are concerned (Missionary school and Excelsior College) they were both sponsored by the British government and approximately one thousand students from all over the province were studying in each of them. Due to the popularity of these types of schools, a large number of students were studying in establishments which were based upon Christian values and where Christianity was taught or they were schools which were co-educational- an educational system in which it is haram for us to educate our children due to the inherent dangers and evils that are involved. So what is the big fuss about getting rid of systems which are corrupting our youth? Our vision should be to slowly plant the seeds for an Islamic Khilafa. In order for this to occur, we need the ingredients that will go into achieving this goal. We have to change every aspect of our current way of living from the root such that it is completely directed towards worshipping Allah and establishing His laws on the earth. Our minds have to be ready to accept what an Islamic state requires of us.

To assert that the Taliban are against education of girls or against education in general is fallacious and unreasonable. The modern western school system has come to epitomize the meaning of what is considered a valid education today. Thus every other system needs to be infused "with terms of science borrowed from the Western nomenclature." The Taliban cannot be against Islamic education of any student because if they are teaching Islam properly, it will only serve to benefit the Islamic cause which they have sacrificed their lives for. In fact the Taliban spokesman Muslim Khan has lucidly stated, "We are not against education, but we insist that our new generation should be imparted with religious and then scientific and technology education... The Taliban need doctors, engineers and scientists to strengthen our cause."

Even if the girls' schools were singled out to be destroyed it would still make sense. Why? Women are the key to the establishment of khilafa. If our women are not educated in the deen but rather in western education (alone), they will impart false information to their children, or they may raise their children to hate jihad, to pursue an education for the sake of an education, to get a high paying job and not have any interest with spreading the deen of Allah. If we lose our mothers, we lose the tarbiya (Islamic) of the children, which means we have children who either do not care or are ignorant about Islam, which means we do not have a strong generation of youth who are the fuel of this ummah and this jihad, which means we potentially do not have an Islamic khilafa.

The issue at hand has to do with teaching a way of life (i.e. British versus Islamic curriculum) not the imparting of skills. Those who claim that the destroying of schools means children will not be able to acquire skills are mistaken. Acquiring a skill is not something only offered at a secular institution. Let's give the Taliban some breathing space. We will see what they will do after the operation is over inshaAllah.

The prophet صلى الله عليه و سلم said 'Seeking knowledge is obligatory upon every Muslim.' According to Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid, "what is meant by knowledge [in the above hadith] is knowledge of sharee'ah (Islamic knowledge). Al-Thawri said: "It is the knowledge for which no person has any excuse for not knowing [i.e. the basic 'ebadaat]." It therefore becomes incumbent upon the Muslims to teach their children the essentials of Islam, and by inference, any other secular education is not obligatory.

This begs the question, if the Pakistani government is really fighting for Islam as it claims, then why does it not change the educational system to an Islamic one or help the Taliban in doing so, since they understand Islam 'so well'? Or are they satisfied with the existing system in which Islam is not being given the top priority?

Why is it that the government claims they are fighting for Allahسبحنه و تعالى yet they bombed not only the premises, but the students of an Islamic school (Lal Masjid) to smithereens? It was especially known to have a full Islamic curriculum (in addition to English and science being taught) , and enforced knowledge of the shari'ah. Oh I forgot! The government does not want Islam. Evidence for this is when the shaheed inshaAllah, Abdur Rashid Ghazi while being interviewed by CNN for a documentary called Pakistan: The Threat Within, said, "We have been asked by the government many times that 'you should stop teaching the chapter of Jihad'. So we tell them, 'we can't stop it because we cannot make any amendment in Islam.'"

If it is asked, why the Taliban had to bomb the schools in Swat, then the reply is that one has to know the situation on the ground. Haji Muslim Khan said "Nobody can prove that we bombed any school building during phase one of the military operations in the Swat Valley. [Sarcastically] Why did the "well-educated" and "very qualified" Pakistan army set up military bunkers in the schools? This is my question." In ideal circumstances, the issue of changing the curriculum could have been done through dialogue. However when you have your enemy actively fighting you for your religion, destroying your homes, day and night then do you not retaliate? He further goes on to say, "These are the "well educated" and "very qualified" people of our security forces who bombed our villages and destroyed them. We have, therefore, the right to destroy those schools which brought up this generation, sold out to foreigners and sold their own people to foreigners."

Consequently, if for example the army was not stationed in these schools, would it still have been legitimate for them to destroy them? Let's think about it logically. If the schools were left in tact with the same curriculums being applied, and producing the same weak generation of Muslims who hate to fight for the sake of Allah, who do not want Islam to be the judge of their affairs, then we would have to face the dire consequence a few years down the line of more and more Muslims who are solely dunya-oriented. The alternative is that you temporarily destroy the schools so that one, the curriculums are not being taught and therefore children are not being fed the same rhetoric as before and two, nobody dares to even oppose the Taliban and start teaching again. They have also promised that "we can rebuild those buildings within a month [once the military operations are over]." In most cases, the Taliban have delivered on their promises.

To those who claim that 'violence' is only going to breed more uneducated citizenry and peace will never prevail as long as this is the case, I say, peace in a society is achieved when humans worship Allah as He is supposed to be worshipped. It is when we follow His commands and stay away from what he has prohibited or is displeased with.

Peace in a society cannot simply be achieved through "education." Some assert, "as long as they can read and write, they can get jobs, feed their families, thus not steal or resort to violent behavior." Education needs to have a purpose. If education is for the sake of the dunya, then you will never have "peace" in the society, because living will not be for the sake of Allah. Conversely, if education is directed for the main purpose of teaching children Islam- how to live it, sleep it, drink it, carry out every aspect of it, solely for the purpose of Allah, then this is how peace will be achieved.

{ and keep yourself (O Muhammad ) patiently with those who call on their Lord (i.e. Your companions who Remember their Lord with glorification, praising In prayers, etc., and other righteous deeds, etc.) morning and afternoon, seeking his face, and let not Your eyes overlook them, desiring the pomp and glitter of the life of the world; and obey not Him whose heart we have made heedless of Our Remembrance, one who follows his own lusts and whose affair (deeds) has been lost.} [Al Kahf: 28]

:salam2:

septithol said:
You're learning... :-D
And you, evidently, are not.
 

Mohsin

abdu'Allah
Assalamu alaikum

JazakiAllah Sister Isra for the wonderful article. May Allah help them.

I liked the article and in particular this quote as I see a most of Indians the same way.
This is why Thomas Babington Macaulay, a British Minister of Parliament who was serving on the Supreme Council of India, (a British Colonial Institution), stated in 1835 in his infamous Minute on Indian Education:

"It is impossible for us, with our limited means, to attempt to educate the body of the people. We must at present do our best to form a class who may be interpreters between us and the millions whom we govern; a class of persons, Indian in blood and colour, but English in taste, in opinions, in morals, and in intellect. To that class we may leave it to refine the vernacular dialects of the country, to enrich those dialects with terms of science borrowed from the Western nomenclature, and to render them by degrees fit vehicles for conveying knowledge to the great mass of the population."
 

Hard Rock Moslem

I'm your brother
:wasalam:
Have you been in afghanistan or Pakistan? Have you witnessed talibans' sharia law?

Taliban have been unjustly attacked by foreign invation! :wasalam:

Some of Taliban's action has nothing to do with sharia law. Of course Taliban has been made blacksheep and a scapegoat for enemies to attack Islam. When Japan occupied Malaya in 1940s, my granny said they were not even allowed to listen radio. Women were raped and men are tortured. When the British returned to colonialised us they introduced some draconian laws e.g. detention without trial in the name of fighting communist. Unfortunately no one blaming christianity for what the British did to us for over 200 years especially with their "jungle laws". It is fast forgotten. But when a group of muslim movement called Taliban did something oppose to the teaching of Islam (not all, some of it) Islam is to be blamed. It is very unfortunate.
 

Saidsaad

New Member
Salem,
I think when we watch news report's on T.V. they are only as acurate as the reporter doing the reporting. Their knowlage may be highly questionable and final news reports we see edited could miss out the bigger picture of the whole story. When I watched the BBC news 16/Feb/09 they said "girls schools and education are not aloud under Shiria Law". Do they really mean western style education or all education? What about islamic education? Madrassa etc..? Have any Islamic schools been destroyed, if so why?:SMILY47:
 

Saidsaad

New Member
On the other hand, if an 'Islamic' education teaches the Koran, but also teaches reading, math, science, history, and other subjects, then there is probably nothing wrong with it. Provided it teaches the girls the same amount of reading and math and science as the boys, even if they go to seperate schools.
Yes, this is what I was trying to say. A good all round education covering many topics for boys & girls.
 
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