1st Female to be convicted for terrorism

[Saifu deen]

They may not have the power to close the websites, and even if they did it's still a crime to be in possession of such materials.

:salam2:

Sister they have the power to close all this bad websites, that encourages young people to get involve in Jihad. They have monitoring system which is based in UK, they have the right to monitor and close any website that bring illegal materials or threat to the country. Similarly, thats how they monitor and catch those sick people who watch child *!*!*!*!ography. Its the similar system.

Its true she shouldnt write these stuff in the first place. But, who knows may be she was going through difficult times and lost ways to express her feelings, or may be she was brainwashed, no one knows the reason yet. Inshallah she is innocent!!!..

I dont believe UK has fair punishment. A murder gets 6 years and he'll be released after 3 years only, a child rapist gets 6 years but after to years he's out already and given a flat just behind the primary school.loool.. Therefore, I personally dont believe there is fair punishment.

Wassalamu Alykom..

 

[Aapa]

Salaam,

We do not have freedom of speech. We are monitored at all times. I have written about this before. Our posts are on google. We do have to be careful. Our innoncent words are twisted and turned around. We are all terroists as long as we believe in Allah. We can not even watch a video describing another perspective..the media stopped coverage on the war in Iraq because it is too costly and they wish the American public to spend time on more important issues such as OJ Simpson.
I know I have to be careful. I need to work. I have chidren to raise.
We can not put our faith in the laws of the kuffir. We have to put our trust in Allah.

 

[Aapa]

Salaam,

I am still looking for an address to write to her. I am unable to find her lawyer. This is the closest thing to an address I have been able to find:
But Malik, of Townsend Road, Southall, west London. If we sent 300 letters she will get them.

 

[Masria]

Salaam brothers and sisters

Forgive me please, I am new to this forum and am spending my time reading rather than posting at the moment but this thread is really troubling me.

We accept that there is an attitude from nonMuslims of assuming what our beliefs and attitudes are about, without asking us or looking at the facts but if we leap to the defence of every Muslim without knowledge of the facts are we not doing the same thing? Some posts here have assumed she has been convicted because she wrote a poem but that ignores the other information provided. It also assumed that the government is conspiring against peaceful Muslims, in which case why haven't I been arrested yet?

The OP said:

Police said they had found a "library" of extreme Islamist literature in her bedroom including The Al-Qaeda Manual and The Mujahideen Poisons Handbook.

Ask yourself, would you know where to get such materials? I most certainly would not and I would not go looking for them.

Perhaps she has been brainwashed or has been led astray but is that a justification for her beliefs that committing suicide and killing non combatants is morally correct? We should not accept oppression but we must also not assume that being a Muslim automatically means we are innocent of all crimes.

I would very much like to write to her, not to support her cause or beliefs but to encourage her to return to the true path of Islam, inshallah.

I hope you are not offended by my comments but I have lived too many years in this life to not know there are always two sides to every story and we should hear both before we decide.

Salaam

 

[Aapa]

Salaam,

First you have not offened anyone. This is a forum. This is a place to discuss Islamic issues. You will find a group of members who are very passionate. You will find a group of members who are very moderate and everything inbetween. As of 911 we have been affected in many ways. We bring to the forum our expereinces and our understanding of what it is to be Muslim in this day and time.
Second, given how the western media has portrayed Islam and Muslims this is place where we can share our feelings without too much ostracism. However, please keep in mind people are entitled to thier beliefs and there is a wide array of beliefs within Islam today.

 

[Muslimah99]

Salaam brothers and sisters

Forgive me please, I am new to this forum and am spending my time reading rather than posting at the moment but this thread is really troubling me.

We accept that there is an attitude from nonMuslims of assuming what our beliefs and attitudes are about, without asking us or looking at the facts but if we leap to the defence of every Muslim without knowledge of the facts are we not doing the same thing? Some posts here have assumed she has been convicted because she wrote a poem but that ignores the other information provided. It also assumed that the government is conspiring against peaceful Muslims, in which case why haven't I been arrested yet?

The OP said:

Police said they had found a "library" of extreme Islamist literature in her bedroom including The Al-Qaeda Manual and The Mujahideen Poisons Handbook.

Ask yourself, would you know where to get such materials? I most certainly would not and I would not go looking for them.

Perhaps she has been brainwashed or has been led astray but is that a justification for her beliefs that committing suicide and killing non combatants is morally correct? We should not accept oppression but we must also not assume that being a Muslim automatically means we are innocent of all crimes.

I would very much like to write to her, not to support her cause or beliefs but to encourage her to return to the true path of Islam, inshallah.

I hope you are not offended by my comments but I have lived too many years in this life to not know there are always two sides to every story and we should hear both before we decide.

Salaam

very constructive, this has got some very useful points, I agree, I wouldn't know where to find these books and I certainly didn't know that they exist.

 

[Mabsoot]

:salam2:

I think she was very foolish girl for what she did. Unfortunately, there are a lot of Muslims, especially the young who get influenced a lot by those around them and by everything they read on the net.

There are a lot of people who write emotional nonsense on the web to try and get people to waste their time thinking in stupid ways. Thats what this girl did. Instead of spending her time learning Islam, the Quran etc, she was on the net writing poems praising alQaeda and downloading things that have no benefit to Muslims whatsoever.

Having said that, I do not think she was a terrorist or a threat to anyone. But, in today's climate of "War on Terror", she was easy for the system to pickup and punish. - I think there are probably thousands more like her, not a threat just very confused.

They get confused more because the net has so much nonsense. People spend all day and night listening and watching things that dont benefit them or other Muslim people.

We can do a lot to fix this situation. Its our duty to learn about Islam properly and teach our family and friends. Just as someone will search for hours everyday to find the right price for their favourite pair of shoes, or a businessman looks to find the cheapest supplier, Muslims should try even harder to learn Islam from the right sources. To go back to the Quran and Sunnah with understanding of the early generation of Muslims

wasalam.

 

[Masria]

There are a lot of people who write emotional nonsense on the web to try and get people to waste their time thinking in stupid ways.

Perhaps this is where the difficulty comes from for the security services? At what point does someone go from talking and reading nonsense to driving a car full of explosives into Glasgow airport? At what point is it right to stop them?

Having said that, I do not think she was a terrorist or a threat to anyone. But, in today's climate of "War on Terror", she was easy for the system to pickup and punish. - I think there are probably thousands more like her, not a threat just very confused.

I agree completely, she was probably only a danger to herself at this point and yes the system is using her as a message to others to try to stop them going down this road.

I shall await with interest to see what her sentence is and inshallah it will be probation, with an agreement that members of her community will bring her back to a right path.

I see this as an opportunity for the Muslim community to look at how she became indoctrinated so quickly, as she had been writing rap poetry (in the style of 50 cent) under the name Lyrical Babe prior to this new persona. I find it so worrying that a young girl can go from having no interest in her faith to donning the hijab and writing poems about what it feels like to be beheaded, in such a short time.

 

[Optimist]

Dear sister Masri .. you have not offended me ... but really, why punish her for saying something (not that I agree with it) on the internet? It all sounds rather OTT. The internet contains lots of rubbish. I'm often surprised with what google will throw back at me for a rather innocent search. Are you telling me that it is only muslims that have material on the internet that justifies killing of civilians ? Dont you think blocking/taking down inappropriate websites would be a better course of action? You write some poem and then you go to jail !! If this is not a police state then I dont know what is.

 

[Masria]

Dear sister Masri .. you have not offended me ... but really, why punish her for saying something (not that I agree with it) on the internet?

She was not punished just for what she wrote on the internet but for having a room full of books written by terrorists. Do you have books about hand to hand combat and how to poison and kill people in your bedroom? I think like me, you do not.

I did not attend the court so I do not know what evidence was produced against this girl but we should assume there was some evidence in order to be found guilty in the Old Bailey. Our country may have gone rather crazy but I don't think it has turned into Nazi Germany yet.

Are you telling me that it is only muslims that have material on the internet that justifies killing of civilians?

Not at all, here is an example from 2 years ago:

One of the dominant figures of the British far right for the last 50 years has died two days before he was due to appear in court charged with inciting racial hatred.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,1532020,00.html

This man did not attack anyone, he did not own any bomb making stuff but he produced material that encouraged others to kill. Likewise this girl produced material that encouraged parents to show children aged 7 videos of suicide bombers and teach them to fight.

For anyone to say this issue is just about Islam is scaremongering because people of other groups also get arrested and prosecuted for having and producing such material. Is it not an Islamic principle that you follow the laws of the country you live in? It is illegal in the UK to encourage people to kill and no matter who you are (unless you work for the government) you are liable to arrest and prosecution.

Dont you think blocking/taking down inappropriate websites would be a better course of action? You write some poem and then you go to jail !! If this is not a police state then I dont know what is.

Firstly we do not know if she will receive a custodial sentence or probation (she will not be sentenced until 6 Dec), at the moment she has only been found guilty. When we know her sentence perhaps we can better judge our reactions?

Yes I would love to see all sites that encourage hatred of any kind removed from the net but the problem is where would it end? What if I type here 'Jesus (pbuh) was not the son of God so Christians will go to hell for idol worship' - should the Christians demand this website be removed because it is inciting religious hatred?

These are the issues our government must wrestle with. Do I support our government, no way I dislike them and their policies (not as much as I dislike Bush though) but they have the job of keeping this countries citizens safe and radical Islam is currently the worlds biggest terrorist threat. That is not propaganda, that is reality. The biggest non terrorist threat is Bush.

 

[Masria]

If this is not a police state then I dont know what is.

ps If you want to see a police state please come to visit me in Egypt where we live under marshal law, you will be so relieved to come back to the freedoms of this country.

Salaam

 

[kayleigh]

ps If you want to see a police state please come to visit me in Egypt where we live under marshal law, you will be so relieved to come back to the freedoms of this country.

Salaam

salaam,

Seriously...some people should be very thankful of where they live. Even if conditions are less than perfect in the UK, it's still a better place than many parts of the world.

 

[amira87]

Scarey

maj noona wallah........she could be doing this just to get attention.......thats what I think...personally

 

[Optimist]

She was not punished just for what she wrote on the internet but for having a room full of books written by terrorists. Do you have books about hand to hand combat and how to poison and kill people in your bedroom? I think like me, you do not.

Hand to hand combat books are available on the market and by in large are not illegal. Not sure about books about weaponry .. etc. As in the USA it is common to have a gun, I'm fairly certain there would be lots of English material on the net about this subject (not that I looked).

I did not attend the court so I do not know what evidence was produced against this girl but we should assume there was some evidence in order to be found guilty in the Old Bailey. Our country may have gone rather crazy but I don't think it has turned into Nazi Germany yet.

Well ... I have not lived in Nazi Germany (thankfully). It may not be Nazi Germany in the 1940's but how about in early 30's? Hitler came to the power by DEMOCRATIC elections.

Not at all, here is an example from 2 years ago:

One of the dominant figures of the British far right for the last 50 years has died two days before he was due to appear in court charged with inciting racial hatred.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,1532020,00.html

This man did not attack anyone, he did not own any bomb making stuff but he produced material that encouraged others to kill. Likewise this girl produced material that encouraged parents to show children aged 7 videos of suicide bombers and teach them to fight.

Point taken ... I agree it is not just about muslims.

Firstly we do not know if she will receive a custodial sentence or probation (she will not be sentenced until 6 Dec), at the moment she has only been found guilty. When we know her sentence perhaps we can better judge our reactions?

again point taken ... I doubt that she will not be sent to jail though.

Yes I would love to see all sites that encourage hatred of any kind removed from the net but the problem is where would it end? What if I type here 'Jesus (pbuh) was not the son of God so Christians will go to hell for idol worship' - should the Christians demand this website be removed because it is inciting religious hatred?

but sure enough if you want to "protect vulnerable individuals" then leaving them exposed and then catching them when you can is not the right course of action ... dont you think ?

BTW, I have lived in the middle east most of my life so I know full well what you are talking about. The UK is feeling increasingly like that (unless I'm getting paranoic) although I have to admit, not quite there yet.

 

[Mabsoot]

Do you have books about hand to hand combat and how to poison and kill people in your bedroom? I think like me, you do not.

:salam2:

Actually I have a lot of videos, books and things about Hand to Hand combat.

Nothing about explosives or guns, but, i have done martial arts for years without even once thinking of using it to hurt innocent people.

- Obviously, I would not be interested in Alqaeda training manuals etc, but I think that a lot of people download that stuff purely out of curiosity OR to feel important by feeling "rebelious".

Those sorts of things are quite easy to get off the internet from various websites. They are just small pdf files so are easily shared around. People can even download without even knowing what they are.

The problem is that this Ummah really is suffering. Watching the News is enough to make people "radicalised" or open to becoming influenced by extremists. They see a lot of atrocities happening around the world to Muslims and do not know how or why. All they see is American and British armies bombing.

So, the next thing they see is AlQaeda "doing something". Nobody else is doing anything. - This is where they get fooled. They have no idea about the beliefs of AlQaeda or even how they treat other Muslims.

They see things with very limited information, the extremists over in UK and USA make them think that the terrorists are real Muslims. Infact, they are criminals and murderers. Not only do they kill non-Muslims but they kill Muslims. - There are countless examples such as the bombing of hotels in Jordan where many innocent Muslims died, such as bombing of places in Saudi Arabia, and the daily kidnapping and killing in Iraq.

The way to get out of this situation, is to return back to the Quran and Sunnah of the Messenger

This good article to read>

Islam began as something Strange

 

[vampiresecstacy]

Alhamdulillah i live in a muslim country where no asks me my intention.Where no one stops me from doing Sajdah to Allah(S.W.T)

I think there are other better options to live for muslim population.

This poor sister cannot be possibly even be close to terrorism and the beasts are preying on her.I'm afraid about the abuse she will get in the kaafirs prison.

Here it is ladies and gentlemen yet again abuse of power by people in power.

Islam doesn't teach terrorism.On the day of Judgement muslims who live in her community will be asked what they did to help her sister in Islam when she was in trouble because of islam.(the right of neighbour).

Any guesses about the answers??

 

[Muslimah99]

:salam2:

I think she was very foolish girl for what she did. Unfortunately, there are a lot of Muslims, especially the young who get influenced a lot by those around them and by everything they read on the net.

There are a lot of people who write emotional nonsense on the web to try and get people to waste their time thinking in stupid ways. Thats what this girl did. Instead of spending her time learning Islam, the Quran etc, she was on the net writing poems praising alQaeda and downloading things that have no benefit to Muslims whatsoever.

Having said that, I do not think she was a terrorist or a threat to anyone. But, in today's climate of "War on Terror", she was easy for the system to pickup and punish. - I think there are probably thousands more like her, not a threat just very confused.

They get confused more because the net has so much nonsense. People spend all day and night listening and watching things that dont benefit them or other Muslim people.

We can do a lot to fix this situation. Its our duty to learn about Islam properly and teach our family and friends. Just as someone will search for hours everyday to find the right price for their favourite pair of shoes, or a businessman looks to find the cheapest supplier, Muslims should try even harder to learn Islam from the right sources. To go back to the Quran and Sunnah with understanding of the early generation of Muslims

wasalam.

I COMPLETELY agree with this one!

 

[Muslimah99]

Alhamdulillah i live in a muslim country where no bloody kaafir asks me my intention.Where no one stops me from doing Sajdah to Allah(S.W.T)

I think there are other better options to live for muslim population.

This poor sister cannot be possibly even be close to terrorism and the beasts are preying on her.I'm afraid about the abuse she will get in the kaafirs prison.

Here it is ladies and gentlemen yet again abuse of power by people in power.

Islam doesn't teach terrorism.On the day of Judgement muslims who live in her community will be asked what they did to help her sister in Islam when she was in trouble because of islam.(the right of neighbour).

Any guesses about the answers??

selamun aleykum, why do you call yourself vampirescstasy?

Back to the theme. We should think rationally in this situation, this sister obviously was very foolish. She is probably not a terrorist and not capable of doing such horrible acts, however she was clearly mislead by some information or websites on the internet to think what some muslims out there do, is actually correct?

 

[Masria]

maj noona wallah........she could be doing this just to get attention.......thats what I think...personally

This I agree with completely and the reaction by our government is probably very OTT but we do not know until we see what evidence they had and what sentence she receives. Inshallah she will just get probation to show her and others like her that they are going down a wrong path.

Well ... I have not lived in Nazi Germany (thankfully). It may not be Nazi Germany in the 1940's but how about in early 30's? Hitler came to the power by DEMOCRATIC elections.

I take your point but surely we have to accept that this government has a responsibility to protect us from terrorist attack? Yes our government are scaremongering about Islam but is this not from fear because of the actions of Muslims?

Did you see the photo of the Muslim protest in London and the man with the sign that read "behead anyone that says Islam is a religion of violence" - I assume the man has never heard of irony. People do not know about Islam, only what is in the Media and it is up to Muslims to show the true face of Islam or of course people will be scared of us because the only side they will see are the extremists killing people.

but sure enough if you want to "protect vulnerable individuals" then leaving them exposed and then catching them when you can is not the right course of action ... dont you think ?

I do agree. What I do not know is where the line should be drawn, if we push these people too far underground how can we monitor them? If we start to take down websites then people will complain about freedom of speach and living in a police state. I see no simple answer.

The UK is feeling increasingly like that (unless I'm getting paranoic) although I have to admit, not quite there yet.

I agree we are heading down that road and in my opinion it is US led. I speak on an interfaith forum and the animosity toward Islam from the US is building daily. The people I speak to cannot seperate out the terrorist, extremist Muslims from the average Muslim on the street. This is a very dangerous path but while Muslims are driving car bombs into airports western governments will react, which in turn will create more extremists and so on. I really do not know where it will all end and inshallah I will not live long enough to see WWIII.

The problem is that this Ummah really is suffering. Watching the News is enough to make people "radicalised" or open to becoming influenced by extremists.

I agree with you, the actions of the west are creating more radicals but it is a vicious circle. The more radicals that set off bombs the more the west will react against Islam en-masse and the more radicals there will be and so on. Both sides must work to understand each other but unfortunately I do not see this happening.

This poor sister cannot be possibly even be close to terrorism and the beasts are preying on her.I'm afraid about the abuse she will get in the kaafirs prison.

With all due respect which prison are you speaking about? She is not in prison. And unlike the Middle East we do not routinely torture our prisoners.

Islam doesn't teach terrorism.On the day of Judgement muslims who live in her community will be asked what they did to help her sister in Islam when she was in trouble because of islam.(the right of neighbour).

Forgive me but you are contradicting yourself. First you say Islam doesn't teach terrorism and then you say this girl is in trouble because of Islam. She was not arrested for being a Muslim, if she was a neoNazi with these books she would still have been arrested.

 

[Aapa]

Salaam,

As I read these responses I began to realize we Muslims do not even allow ourselves to call ourselves what we should. I really need to call the authors of the Rand report and congratulate them.
As long we allow the western media to identify who we are we are a lost nation.
First of all "terrorists" are not Muslim. Please research and you will find out. Secondly we can not use this word ourselves. As long as we use the word terrorist we play into the hands of the western media.
We have to be very careful how we address ourselves and eachother. We are allowing ourselves to be pointing fingers at other Muslims. Let us not do that. We have to remain united.
The Quran teaches us to remain united.