Beating Wife

najbc

Junior Member
Im not a feminist, but come on be honest what am i supposed to do, let my husband ( La samah Allah) hit me!!

Im sorry, but u see i aint that type of person that shuts up when my rights are violated. U could even ask those girls i beat up a few years back when they tried to dicriminate against me because i wear a hijab! LOL

:SMILY288: You go sister, I wish the sisters that are been abuse would be like you, strong. I will never let any man hit, I will beat him up myself, or have my all six brothers beat the crap out of him. when you get old, you learn to appreciate your brothers, I know my brothers will beat any man that ever hits me. This one time, I was middle school that guy wouldn’t not leave me alone and I told my big brother, he almost kills that kid. That is really cool having brothers that you know have your back.
 

Happy 2BA Muslim

Islamophilic
:salam2:

There is some more talk on wife beating here:

Justification of wife beating




It is a sad state of affairs when a man proves his weakness by raising his hand to a woman. I wish to as a question, and please I ask forgiveness if I offend.

I've noticed that a lot of domestic abuse cases have the term Saudi attached to it. Is beating one's wife considered culturally acceptable in Saudi Arabia? Is there a higher incidence of wife beating in the Middle Eastern cultures?

~Sarah

:salam2: Sister Sarah,

You`re starting to get on my nerves! :lol:

Just kidding sister! You are always welcome to ask any questions. You are not offending anyone.

Again, I`m from Saudi. I have been marrid for 7-8 years now. My wife and I have had our quarrels (like any other husband and wife), but I never even raised a hand on her, and never will. I certainly know that my father has also never laid a hand on my mother. My wife tells me that her father also never laid a hand on my mother-in-law.

I have heard of some women who got beat by their husbands (not relatives), but have also heard of some men who got beat by their wives (yes, in Saudi).

I think Saudi is like any other place in the world. Unfortunately, wife beating is going on everywhere. If we want to say there is more of it going on here or there, we need evidence for that accusation. It could be true, and could also be false, but let`s not generalize. NOT ALL SAUDI MEN BEAT THEIR WIFE. NOT ALL SAUDIS ARE RACISTS. NOT ALL SAUDIS ARE SEXISTS. (something that has been brought up several times on the forum)

:salam2:
 

ShyHijabi

Junior Member
Thank you brother for your answer. But if I can't get on your nerves how else will I fill my time? :lol:

Unfortunately the only exposure I've had to Saudis is through exposure on TV and such. And we know that is probbaly the worst place to look for "facts." I wish they did a National Geographic special or something on the culture.

~Sarah
 

IbnAlAawam

Junior Member
:salam2:
Quranic Perspective on
Wife beating and Abuse


Quranic Perspective on
Wife beating and Abuse

By: Fatimah Khaldoon

Domestic violence represented by wife beating or abuse is rampant in this country and around the world. While the exact numbers on domestic violence incidents differ, because this is such an under-reported crime there are statistics on which most experts agree.

1. In 1984 the US Surgeon General declared domestic violence as this nation's number one health problem. (US Surgeon General)

2. A woman is beaten every 15 seconds by her partner; it happens at some time in 25-35 % of American homes; 4,000 women die from such abuse each year. (FBI)

3. Physical abuse by male social partners is the single most common source of injury among women ages 15 to 44, more common than auto accidents, muggings and rape by a stranger combined. (U.S. Surgeon General, 1989)

4. In USA, medical costs from domestic violence total at least $3-5 billion annually. At least another $100 million can be added to the cost to businesses in lost wages, sick leave and absenteeism. (Sylvia Porter, For Your Money's Worth)

5.Women of all cultures, races, occupations, income levels, and ages are battered - by husbands, boyfriends, lovers and partners. (Surgeon General Antonia Novello, as quoted in Domestic Violence: Battered Women, publication of the Reference Department of the Cambridge Public Library, Cambridge, MA)

6.Approximately one-third of the men counseled (for battering) at Emerge are professional men who are well respected in their jobs and their communities. these have included doctors, psychologists, lawyers, ministers, and business executives. (For Shelter and Beyond, Massachusetts Coalition of Battered Women Service Groups, Boston, MA 1990)

Statistics as these should awaken all those in denial of the fact that wife beating and abuse is an endemic disease in all different cultures, religions and communities. It is as common in Western as it is in Eastern societies.

Men in Western (and Eastern) societies do not abuse their wives because of scriptural teachings, but because of a natural instinct of domination and aggression. God, knowing this, has therefore decreed a perfect law to help men control their temper and to solve any problems before resorting to physical aggression.

These statistics reflect the failure of modern societies in treating this perilous condition in men. Despite advances in modern psychology and improved understanding of behavioral patterns of men, civilized and uncivilized, a successful solution to this aggressive behavior has not been found by man.

A solution has however been presented to the world in the Quran, the Final Testament, more than 1400 years ago, in verse 4:34.

[4:34] The men are made responsible for the women, and GOD has endowed them with certain qualities, and made them the bread earners. The righteous women will cheerfully accept this arrangement, since it is GOD's commandment, and honor their husbands during their absence. If you experience rebellion from the women, you shall first talk to them, then (you may use negative incentives like) deserting them in bed, then you may (as a last alternative) beat them. If they obey you, you are not permitted to transgress against them. GOD is Most High, Supreme.

At first glance this verse may appear as if promoting physical abuse of women. But when reading 4:34 carefully one realizes that it actually prohibits abuse and beating of women by using the best psychological approach.

The advise to first talk and then avoid sexual contact, provides the necessary time and space for both parties to cool off, reason, examine the problem and reach a favorable agreement for both of them.

Abuse of a wife will not happen if the man learns to follow the clear commandments of God in this verse and in the order decreed. Abuse will only happen when a man does not follow these commandments, and thus fails to cool off and reason with himself or with his wife.

Sura 4, where we read 4:34, entitled "The Women," is one of the longest chapters in the Quran. It deals with many of the rights and responsibilities of women, rights that were first available to western women only a few decades ago, and some that still aren't. The theme of this Sura is to defend women's rights, and countering injustice and oppression of women. Thus, any interpretation of verses in Sura 4 must be in favor of the women, not the other way around.

Unfortunately 4:34 is extremely abused by many of the so-called "Muslim" men in the world. While disregarding their own obligations and their own righteousness, these men only focus on the third step of handling this difficult condition as described in 4:34, skip the first two necessary steps and give themselves the excuse to beat their wives. They find support for their misguided and biased views, and for treating their spouses unjustly, in the fabrications of the so called Hadith and Sunna. They thus misrepresent the true Islam (Submission), and divert people from this perfect and just religion for all.

We have to remember that the right given to the man in 4:34, can only be claimed when you have a situation with a righteous man on one hand dealing with a situation in which his wife repeatedly commits "Neshooz" which is an unrighteous, wicked and rebellious act. Abusing this law and the attempt to apply it to regular daily marital disagreements is not warranted by the strong and selective wording of the verse. Furthermore, for a man to demand or claim this right, he must first give that woman all the rights God has given her and follow all aspects of the commandment without skipping any part of it. God clearly says in the Quran that He has decreed for the men and the women rights and obligations equitably (2:228).

In reality, a believing husband would most probably NEVER come to the stage where he would actually lay a hand on his wife. He would be much too careful to examine his own motives first, as a God fearing man, before exercising this right. As we see in the verse immediately following 4:34, when the marriage reaches this stage it's on it's way to end, as the very next words in the Quran reads; "If a couple fears separation…"

Most women in the world today do not enjoy the protection verse 4:34 grants them. Instead they are unjustly abused, verbally and physically, by unrighteous men in unrighteous ways, and get beaten up for the most trivial of reasons, or for no reason at all. According to 4:34 even if the husband has a good reason, he is not allowed to lay a hand on his wife until he has passed all the previous steps.

The woman's responsibility in a marriage starts the day she chooses a husband. If she wants to enjoy her God given rights, she must obey her God given commands, and choose a believing husband. Thus, she can expect from him to treat her in accordance with God's decree, and not transgress against her. She can expect from a believing husband that he will heed any reminder she gives him, if he forgets. If she chooses to disregard God's commands, she has to know that there will be consequences.

If women expect the men's deeds to have consequences, they should expect the same for themselves. These consequences are however well controlled to protect the women from the outrage of the angry husbands as we can find in God's law for the believers in 4:34.

We also learn that one of the traits of the righteous is that they suppress anger.

[3:134] "…They are suppressors of anger, and pardoners of the people. GOD loves the charitable."

The nature and essence of a healthy relationship between a husband and wife is beautifully expressed in the following verse from the Quran:

[ 30:21] Among His proofs is that He created for you spouses from among yourselves, in order to have tranquility and contentment with each other, and He placed in your hearts love and care towards your spouses. In this, there are sufficient proofs for people who think.

[3:195 ]"Their Lord responded to them: "I never fail to reward any worker among you for any work you do, be you MALE OR FEMALE, YOU ARE EQUAL TO ONE ANOTHER........."

When facing difficult times, even if the man dislikes his wife, God has decreed;

[4:19] O you who believe, it is not lawful for you to inherit what the women leave behind, against their will. You shall not force them to give up anything you had given them, unless they commit a proven adultery. You shall treat them nicely. If you dislike them, you may dislike something wherein GOD has placed a lot of good.

And when divorce happens, the full respect to the wife is urged,

[2:229] Divorce may be retracted twice. The divorced woman shall be allowed to live in the same home amicably, or leave it amicably. It is not lawful for the husband to take back anything he had given her. However, the couple may fear that they may transgress GOD's law. If there is fear that they may transgress GOD's law, they commit no error if the wife willingly gives back whatever she chooses. These are GOD's laws; do not transgress them. Those who transgress GOD's laws are the unjust.

In conclusion; A BELIEVING wife and a BELIEVING husband will NEVER get to the point where beating of the wife enters the picture. A BELIEVING couple will consult one another and agree on the best way to solve their differences as verse 4:34 and the whole scripture recommends.

We have to know that we are not in this world to protect unrighteous behavior. We are in this world to be given a last chance to make the right choice and submit to God alone. Making the wrong choices will have consequences for all of us, both in this world and in the eternal Hereafter, for women and men equally.

God is the Most Just, the Most Merciful.

Resources for Abused wives : Where to Turn for Help:
National Hotline, in the USA:

* National Domestic Violence Hotline: 1-800-799-SAFE
TDD for the Hearing Impaired: 1-800-787-3224
 

Noor to shine

Junior Member
:salam2:
I am saudi too (woman) , I have been married for 28 years my husband and i quarrel sometimes but never thought of beating , all my relatives are saudis .....i never heared that any of them beat his wife.....or the wife beat her husband ......actually i read about many cases in the west where women have been beated by their partners or killed (sometimes) ....I am not saying that saudis are angels ......may be there are some kind of bad men who beat their wifes but most of them under the influence of drugs or alcohol (not practising muslems) .......I think that the media is trying to give bad impresssion that saudis are bad people (trying to attack Islam), so please brothers and sisters be carefull in accepting any thing that is promoted to distort our religion. I think after a long experience that Islam if practiced with sincerity can solve any problem in our life. Even this beating that was mentioned in the verse is mentioned for a wisdom that can heal the broken homes if the teachings of Allah swt was followed sincerily (with true intention to please Allah swt .)
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Salaam,

I work with victims of domestic abuse. I work see the effects of violence. It is cyclical. It is a sister of poverty. The women who had been sexually abused by families always end up with men who beat them. Usually, in my line of work physical abuse includes trips to the emergency room. I have worked with women who have become disabled, one woman was thrown out of a car on a mountain side. She rolled down the moutain.
Many of the women are undereducated. They were runaways.
The most frightening element for me is the lack of trust they have towards other women. It takes me months to build a trusting realtionship. They feel that other women will judge them.
The beaten woman is beaten in a multitude of ways. She is humiliated. She can not turn to her parents. She will not turn to additional family members. She is alone. She wears shame as her garment. She often feels she is deserving of her circumstances. The police will answer the first two or three times...then they have other and real crime to fight. The women are so scared that social service organizations will take their children from them..as the documentation of domestic violence can work against them in court.
The abused woman can come from the upper stratas of society and walk into a nightmare. She covers her bruises with make-up; her hairstyle.
If she is a mother she will cover her marks from her children. She will not want them to suffer. She is alone.
She can not go to a religious institution. Many organizations will not help but make her feel worse.
And often, the physcial abuse is easy to handle. The pain disappears in a few days..the burises heal... she needs time to heal for the next go-round.
It is the emotional abuse that is so difficult to deal with..but that is the subject of another topic.
 

OsMaN_93

Here to help
jazak Allahg khairan,. i will add this to the misconception thread later inshallah (note to slef)
:salam2:
 

alkathiri

As-Shafaa'i(Brother)
:salam2:

There is some more talk on wife beating here:

Justification of wife beating






:salam2: Sister Sarah,

You`re starting to get on my nerves! :lol:

Just kidding sister! You are always welcome to ask any questions. You are not offending anyone.

Again, I`m from Saudi. I have been marrid for 7-8 years now. My wife and I have had our quarrels (like any other husband and wife), but I never even raised a hand on her, and never will. I certainly know that my father has also never laid a hand on my mother. My wife tells me that her father also never laid a hand on my mother-in-law.

I have heard of some women who got beat by their husbands (not relatives), but have also heard of some men who got beat by their wives (yes, in Saudi).

I think Saudi is like any other place in the world. Unfortunately, wife beating is going on everywhere. If we want to say there is more of it going on here or there, we need evidence for that accusation. It could be true, and could also be false, but let`s not generalize. NOT ALL SAUDI MEN BEAT THEIR WIFE. NOT ALL SAUDIS ARE RACISTS. NOT ALL SAUDIS ARE SEXISTS. (something that has been brought up several times on the forum)

:salam2:

Some Saudis are among the nicest people in the world like Bro Happy2beA muslim.

But what can brothers do if our wife start hitting us??
 

Doris

Junior Member
Asslamo Allaikum,

If you are a Muslim Sister in the Midlands (UK), Insha’Allah I can put you in touch with someone who can train you to take your husband OUT COLD!

On a serious note! If you are interested in Sisters Self-defence classes; there are some in Birmingham.

I have heard some really funny (but painful) stories about husbands/wives trying it on each other…

1) Trust me being hit under your jaw bone with the flat part of your palm is NOT ENJOYABLE; it bloody hurts.

2) Your nose being pushed back at a rapid speed is no fun either



Both 1 & 2 require not much force.

Alikomu salam ua rahmetullah Global peace, something for you in particular and for others in general. Alhamdulilah women see male Leadership as Love because Allah a'zawajal has created them that way. As for your karate kuffar style advice of taking classes don't serve them among us here. You are not dealing with disbeliving people ue nayadhu bilah. Those men who raise their hands upon thier wifes must not do so, may Allah guide them period. Second, let me tell you something that you maybe forgotten. Marriage is the exchange of female power for male power expressed as love. When a man fails to lead his family, and allows them to manipulate him, women (and children) feel unloved and consequently have less respect and love for him. Alhamdulilah in reality men and women were created by Allah a'zauajal to complement, love and need each other. So please don't come here with boxing karate type feminist/lesbian kufr style advise. Fear Allah for what ideas you spread and together with you the brothers who raise their hands on their wifes.
 

najbc

Junior Member
Alikomu salam ua rahmetullah Global peace, something for you in particular and for others in general. Alhamdulilah women see male Leadership as Love because Allah a'zawajal has created them that way. As for your karate kuffar style advice of taking classes don't serve them among us here. You are not dealing with disbeliving people ue nayadhu bilah. Those men who raise their hands upon thier wifes must not do so, may Allah guide them period. Second, let me tell you something that you maybe forgotten. Marriage is the exchange of female power for male power expressed as love. When a man fails to lead his family, and allows them to manipulate him, women (and children) feel unloved and consequently have less respect and love for him. Alhamdulilah in reality men and women were created by Allah a'zauajal to complement, love and need each other. So please don't come here with boxing karate type feminist/lesbian kufr style advise. Fear Allah for what ideas you spread and together with you the brothers who raise their hands on their wifes.


Are you saying we should only defend yourself against non-believers that is pathetic, defend yourself against anyone Muslims or not, take some defense class sisters, not let anyone beat you up. If the person is good Muslims they should not be beating their wives up. Tell them out cold like globalpeace says.

Peace!
 

Al-Salam

Your Sister In Islam
Are you saying we should only defend yourself against non-believers that is pathetic, defend yourself against anyone Muslims or not, take some defense class sisters, not let anyone beat you up. If the person is good Muslims they should not be beating their wives up. Tell them out cold like globalpeace says.

Peace!

I agree with you sister. :hijabi: I was going to take some defense classes (just to get in shape and protect myself). insha allah i will do it soon.
salam
 

najbc

Junior Member
I agree with you sister. :hijabi: I was going to take some defense classes (just to get in shape and protect myself). insha allah i will do it soon.
salam

i am also taking class like that it is suppose start on june 30. i am excite!
 

aishajor

Junior Member
you shouldn't hit anyone never mind someone your soppsed to love......

hitting the wife is not allowed in islam...

alhamduliah

thanks for sharing with us
 
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