Very very important and urgent question

[Nayyararsi]

Assalamualaikum I come from india occupied kashmir and i am doing B.Tech.Today in the class as the teacher entered he noticed that except me everyone stood up so he told everyone to sit and made me to stand and tell the reason of not standing. I said that it is not allowed in islam.So he said that it has been the trend to stand and if i dont follow it i will be detained and furthermore he abused me a lot infront of whole class.So what should i do now i am very depressed right now and not able to concentrate on anything.

 

[daywalker]

The people of (Banu) Quraiza agreed to accept the verdict of Sa'd bin Mu'adh. So the Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) sent for Sa'ad, and the latter came (riding) a donkey and when he approached the Mosque, the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said to the Ansar, "Get up for your chief or for the best among you!" (Sahih Bukhari)

imam nabawi then quotes Imam Muslim as saying, “I don’t know of a more authentic hadith regarding one man’s standing for another. This standing is out of politeness (birr), not magnification (ta`dhim).”

Ibn Hajar says in the Tuhfa, “It is recommended to stand for someone of obvious merit through righteousness, knowledge, parental merit, lineage, or authority when conjoined with avoidance [of sins]. Ibn `Abd al-Salam said, “and also for someone from whom one expects benefit or fears harm, even if he is a disbeliever from whom one fears great harm”–it seems that this refers to harm that is normally unbearable–”and it should occur by way of politeness and honour, not showing off or magnification.”" (9/229)


SO in your case, take it easily, and do what teachers says.

 

[daywalker]

:salam2:

Brother is there any proof that Islam prohibits standing up in front of someone out of respect. I think your not allowed to bow down or prostrate to anyone. Please let me know if there is any evidence, since I am not knowledgeable of this issue. Please...

prophet(sw) normally disliked and sahaba(rd) didn´t use to do it normally.

but here is something for your teacher:

“Whoever loves that people should present themselves before him by standing, let him prepare a place for himself in the Fire.”

 

[farhopes]

Assalamo alikom

Oh!!! I am a teacher and my students get up to greet me every time I enter the class. They do it out of respect and politeness. I never ask them to stand for me. They just do it as a habit.

 

[PSPdude]

:salam2:

Why is it haram?

I used to be a school student in Saudia and egypt. And we always stand when the teacher comes in.

 

[Asja]

Assalamu Alleicoum dear sisters and brothers.

To be honest I do not know is it haram or not and Allah knows the best.

But in my college,we need to stand before our proffesors come in the class and we need to stand to the moment when they say to us that we sit becasue it is the way of respection towerds them and upbringing that they are teaching us Alhamdulillah.

Dear brother please be patiente and pray to Allah that this sandess pass soon.Ameen Ya rabb al-amin.

May Allah bless you all.



Your sister Asja

 

[SwordofAllah16]

The people of (Banu) Quraiza agreed to accept the verdict of Sa'd bin Mu'adh. So the Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) sent for Sa'ad, and the latter came (riding) a donkey and when he approached the Mosque, the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said to the Ansar, "Get up for your chief or for the best among you!" (Sahih Bukhari)

imam nabawi then quotes Imam Muslim as saying, “I don’t know of a more authentic hadith regarding one man’s standing for another. This standing is out of politeness (birr), not magnification (ta`dhim).”

Ibn Hajar says in the Tuhfa, “It is recommended to stand for someone of obvious merit through righteousness, knowledge, parental merit, lineage, or authority when conjoined with avoidance [of sins]. Ibn `Abd al-Salam said, “and also for someone from whom one expects benefit or fears harm, even if he is a disbeliever from whom one fears great harm”–it seems that this refers to harm that is normally unbearable–”and it should occur by way of politeness and honour, not showing off or magnification.”" (9/229)


SO in your case, take it easily, and do what teachers says.

:salam2:

i agree with this...standing for him wouldn't of been such a big problem although i don't blame you because you didn't know...main ting is.
your intention wouldn't been standing as an act of obedience to the teacher, keep the intention that your a muslim and a muslim has the best of chrecteristics and portrays acts this way so that they may inherit Allahs Love

 

[a_muslimah86]

:salam2:

Akhi...you're standing out of respect...and respect is a key virtue of Islam...I come from a culture where we stand for the elderly as well..and I am so used to it that I do it with Americans sometimes

You should not take on an act or a stand..before you check up on sources from The Qura'an and The Sunnah...thoroughly telling you whether or not you should or should not do something...as what it is forbidden is clear and what is allowed is clear...

If you are not bowing..and you are not going down as if you're prostrating...you should be alright...

When I was in Asia a couple of months ago...I was in Japan for a couple of days for example...and you know how they bow their body to you out of respect???...I returned their bow with a polite smile and slight and quick tilt/bow of *my head*...so I did not do what they did..which I know is TOTALLY un-islamic...but at the same time...I did not offend them..and that is important..because if you are *clearly a Muslim walking around*..then you should show the best of manners to those you interact with..not for their sake...but for Islam's sake

 

[Nayyararsi]

Assalamualaikum As for as standing is concerned same question was asked to scholars of standing committee for issuing fatwas and they said that it is not permissible and the students should not obey the teacher if he tells them to do so.You can check on www.islamqa.com/en/ref/121635 and Allah knows best .

 

[SwordofAllah16]

im confused now i don't know what to say so as the hadith of the Prophet says
"...faqul khaira awliyasmut," i'll "speeak good or be silent" upon this matter

 

[a_muslimah86]

Assalamualaikum As for as standing is concerned same question was asked to scholars of standing committee for issuing fatwas and they said that it is not permissible and the students should not obey the teacher if he tells them to do so.You can check on www.islamqa.com/en/ref/121635 and Allah knows best .

Interesting...

I never knew that...

But what if this habit is practiced by teachers who are *not muslim* and because they were disobyed...they will harm the Muslim student..what would be the take on this???...

Like in your case the professor threatened that he will take you out of class (??? that's what I understood!) and this might affect your grades and your studies...what will the case be then?

I am not trying to raise an argument...

But for example I can see an end to this matter with a Muslim teacher..I can bring the fatwa and tell them...*I am sorry I will not stand for you..because of the following fatwa*..and they will most likely back-off..even if they will try to discipline me..I can still use that fatwa as an "objection" to their decision...

But for a Muslim student...in a non-muslim environment...would that really hold???..wouldn't he/she bring harm to him/herself???..and Islam pardons things done done under circumstances to keep harm away..especially if the person strongly does not support it..and is doing it for the sake of his/her well-being???

Alhamduliallah...in the US we don't have this habit of standing for teachers so I don't have to deal with it...but I am aware of the wrong in standing for the elderly..and that's important

Jazaka Allah Khair for the fatwa brother...

And maybe someone should submit a question with the scenario I raised..perhaps there will be a different take on the issue...

 

[AlQurtubi]

Brother, you shoud have standed up in respect. I dont see any harm in it.

 

[Munawar]

Assalamualaikum I come from india occupied kashmir and i am doing B.Tech.Today in the class as the teacher entered he noticed that except me everyone stood up so he told everyone to sit and made me to stand and tell the reason of not standing. I said that it is not allowed in islam.So he said that it has been the trend to stand and if i dont follow it i will be detained and furthermore he abused me a lot infront of whole class.So what should i do now i am very depressed right now and not able to concentrate on anything.

:salam2:
Respect of teacher is stressed in Islam. And if I understand it correctly your techer punished you for not standing when he entered the room - right?

Brother ... there is nothing in Islam which prohibits a Muslim from standing up, in respect, when a teacher enters the room.
So tell the teacher that you made a mistake in understanding Islam and now you got the correct picture regarding this matter, and from now on you will stand up when a teacher enter the room.

I am sure the teacher will be happy to hear that and probably even start likeing you.

 

[Nayyararsi]

:salam2:
Respect of teacher is stressed in Islam. And if I understand it correctly your techer punished you for not standing when he entered the room - right?

Brother ... there is nothing in Islam which prohibits a Muslim from standing up, in respect, when a teacher enters the room.
So tell the teacher that you made a mistake in understanding Islam and now you got the correct picture regarding this matter, and from now on you will stand up when a teacher enter the room.

I am sure the teacher will be happy to hear that and probably even start likeing you.

Assalamualaikum Brother i think you did't see the fatwa at islamqa.com,the standing committee have clearly mentioned that neither should students stand nor should teacher force them to do so.

 

[naaad]

yes i agree with most of you that if u stand out of respect, it's not a sin........when elderly guests come home, we dont just sit and let them shake hands with us standing. thats extremely bad manners.....agree?we need to get up, shake hands (we also kiss the forehead of elderly relatives and guests)
giving respect to people and every act of goodness is a part of islam.
friend Nayyararsi, i think ur act will potray a bad impression of islam upon who were present there. i know u did it out of ur obedience to islam. and for the very same reason, the fact that u r a muslim, u should be the best in character and deeds. this applies forall of us......
May ALLAH bless u and all.........and guide us to the Right understanding of Islam....

 

[SwordofAllah16]

yes i agree with most of you that if u stand out of respect, it's not a sin........when elderly guests come home, we dont just sit and let them shake hands with us standing. thats extremely bad manners.....agree?we need to get up, shake hands (we also kiss the forehead of elderly relatives and guests)
giving respect to people and every act of goodness is a part of islam.
friend Nayyararsi, i think ur act will potray a bad impression of islam upon who were present there. i know u did it out of ur obedience to islam. and for the very same reason, the fact that u r a muslim, u should be the best in character and deeds. this applies forall of us......
May ALLAH bless u and all.........and guide us to the Right understanding of Islam....

Quiet true actually and when Fatimah RA (the beloved Daughter of the Prophet ) used to get visited by the Prophet of Allah she used to stand, greet him with open arms, kiss him on the face and let him sit wer she was sitting.
Although she was his daughter and we don't usually go around kissing the guests that cum (depends on your culture or norms) standing in this sense to greet someone was ok i guess its ayt to stand maybe we need to understand the fatwa more clearly
Allah knows Best

 

[BigAk]

Interesting...

I never knew that...

But what if this habit is practiced by teachers who are *not muslim* and because they were disobyed...they will harm the Muslim student..what would be the take on this???...

Like in your case the professor threatened that he will take you out of class (??? that's what I understood!) and this might affect your grades and your studies...what will the case be then?

I am not trying to raise an argument...

But for example I can see an end to this matter with a Muslim teacher..I can bring the fatwa and tell them...*I am sorry I will not stand for you..because of the following fatwa*..and they will most likely back-off..even if they will try to discipline me..I can still use that fatwa as an "objection" to their decision...

But for a Muslim student...in a non-muslim environment...would that really hold???..wouldn't he/she bring harm to him/herself???..and Islam pardons things done done under circumstances to keep harm away..especially if the person strongly does not support it..and is doing it for the sake of his/her well-being???

Alhamduliallah...in the US we don't have this habit of standing for teachers so I don't have to deal with it...but I am aware of the wrong in standing for the elderly..and that's important

Jazaka Allah Khair for the fatwa brother...

And maybe someone should submit a question with the scenario I raised..perhaps there will be a different take on the issue...

It is as if I have written this post .... LOL... Jazaki Allah khair for saving me the trouble sister.. LOL

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[BigAk]

Assalamualaikum I come from india occupied kashmir and i am doing B.Tech.Today in the class as the teacher entered he noticed that except me everyone stood up so he told everyone to sit and made me to stand and tell the reason of not standing. I said that it is not allowed in islam.So he said that it has been the trend to stand and if i dont follow it i will be detained and furthermore he abused me a lot infront of whole class.So what should i do now i am very depressed right now and not able to concentrate on anything.

Brother Nayyararsi... Question for you. Have you totally secured observing every major obligatory action in Islam to the T ??? To convey my question clearly I'll give you an example. Have you for instance not missed any of your prayers and performed them exactly right on time in the past week?? If your answer is yes, then I have no problem in giving you the green light in refusing to stand up for your teacher when he enters the classroom. If your answer is no (or a shakey yes even), then I say you may need to rethink your position on this matter.



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[BigAk]

Plus... You may need to edit the title of your thread and omit the severe urgency of the matter (Very very important and urgent question).... I immediately clicked on it thinking that surely someone was considering joining Jihad in Gaza and needed some real advise.

Relaaaax...

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[a_stranger]

:salam2:

I think that Islam encourge people to learn and to have skills in life to assist themselves ....so you have to consider the matter as a whole and never consider part of the issue .......in your case you have to make a balance .......And Allah swt will reward you for your good intention and your will to obey the prophet ....you have tried your best but you will stand out of respect no more. I think that in Islam there are big issues and small ones .....a muslem must know his priority .......