Can someone help me out please

[Kakorot]

Bismillaah :salam2: Brothers and sisters InshaAllaah you are all doing well.

An atheist asked me a question about Islam and I am not a knowledgable person. I need an answer InshaAllaah, so that is why I came to ask here on TTI because MashaAllaah I know that there are knowledgable brothers and sisters here.

This is the question: "you talk about god being the judge on judgement yet so many muslims judge their own people..trying to set rules for others..ie..womens rights and equality..gay rights..let them be and let god be the judge...you use the koran as an excuse to judge others..let allah do that..."

So how should I respond? Ayahs from the Qur'aan and hadith narrations would be helpful And also a well explained explanation

I would be very grateful. May Allaah bless you all. Fi amaan Allaah.

 

[revert2007]

i am sorry i can't give u explanatin based on quran or hadith because i myself is a revert and still learning.but if i were u i would say:

everything about woman equility,gays,and etc has been well written in quran.we live our life and advice others based on quran.as a human we don't have the rights to judge people but we are just advising others what they should do and shouldn't do based on what is written in quran.

if a muslim man does something wrong for example hitting his wife.we should refer back to quran,how and when we should hit the wife.if he does something which is not mention in quran,than he is the one to be blamed and not Allah or islam.don't judge islam by quran's cover but based on what is written inside.slm

 

[Kakorot]

i am sorry i can't give u explanatin based on quran or hadith because i myself is a revert and still learning.but if i were u i would say:

everything about woman equility,gays,and etc has been well written in quran.we live our life and advice others based on quran.as a human we don't have the rights to judge people but we are just advising others what they should do and shouldn't do based on what is written in quran.

if a muslim man does something wrong for example hitting his wife.we should refer back to quran,how and when we should hit the wife.if he does something which is not mention in quran,than he is the one to be blamed and not Allah or islam.don't judge islam by quran's cover but based on what is written inside.slm

plz dnt be sorry sister that is a good respnse jazakillaah

 

[Kakorot]

That's easy! God tells us in the Quran and the prophet, peace be upon him, tells us in the Hadeeth exactly what to do. He instructs us on what constitutes a crime, what the punishment for the crime is (Hudood) and how to prove a crime has been committed. God tells us to obey the prophet and the legitimate authorities. If God wanted to be the only judge, He would have said so in the Quran. God's judgment on the day of judgment is not for individual crimes only but for a lifetime of an individual.

jazakaAllaah I shall use both revert 2007 and your response I'm not knowledgable that's why I asked, I'm still learning

 

[drassim]

Dear Brother Chana you can give him the example of this word as he is obviously not gona believe on Quran and Hadith. So you can give him the example of an organization. There is a president who forms the organization and then there is a boss who told you both who are working in the firm all the rules of the organization. Now for example if you did some bad to that atheist then in that senario why do he refers to you the rules told by your boss to warn you of the punishment for your action. Why do you guys reffers to the rules of the organization to judge your actions.

Of course when the matter go wrong in the End the president is gona take action same as on the Day of judgement Allah SWT is gona take action.

May allah forgive us all on our mistakes...:tti_sister:

 

[revert2007]

or perhaps u can explain to him/her this way


if u create a machine,only u know how the machine functions.in order to explain to others,u need a manual booklet.Allah is the creator and He has mentioned everything in His manual booklet which is the Quran,So we live our life according to it.Salam

 

[Yousef83]

Same human evils and mushrics entered Islam as thought they are great Muslims,In fact they work to do fitna and bruise Muslim's minds.
You know Ebu Bekr (a.s) collected almost 10,000 hadiths and investigated them with witnesses and they burned 9500 wrong hadiths and banned to share them.Only 500 or so real hadiths rest of.Many people (you know them as Islam scholar) sit and make their own fatwas.Our dear prophet Muhammad (sav) added them a name but i forgot now .These people very dangerous around us.There are thousands of and we dont know who are they in fact and their purposes.
Afghanistan and their Islam practices don't include real Islam rules over Women and children.I know that atheist consider that country and Islam life there to ask these questions or like that countries.First you have to explain him/her real Islam don't take collocutor their rules.
There is an Ayah i have read.Says who does bad things which Islam refuse,catch him and lock up then wait Allah's decision on him

 

[Kakorot]

:salam2: may Allaah reward u all for ur examples and explanations, Im going to respond to the person in a bit. barakaAllaahu feki/feka.

These people very dangerous around us.There are thousands of and we dont know who are they in fact and their purposes.

hmm khawareej?

 

[AbdAllah84]

That's easy! God tells us in the Quran and the prophet, peace be upon him, tells us in the Hadeeth exactly what to do. He instructs us on what constitutes a crime, what the punishment for the crime is (Hudood) and how to prove a crime has been committed. God tells us to obey the prophet and the legitimate authorities. If God wanted to be the only judge, He would have said so in the Quran. God's judgment on the day of judgment is not for individual crimes only but for a lifetime of an individual.

:salam2:

Jazakallah Khair for the reply.

Lo! Allah commandeth you that ye restore deposits to their owners, and, if ye judge between mankind, that ye judge justly. Lo! comely is this which Allah admonisheth you. Lo! Allah is ever Hearer, Seer. O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and those charged with authority among you. If ye differ in anything among yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if ye do believe in Allah and the Last Day: That is best, and most suitable for final determination. (4:58-59)

Like brother Ayman and sister revert2007 said Allah tells us (through Quran and Sunnah) what constitutes a crime, the punishment for the crime and how to prove a crime has been committed. It's not up to individual Muslims to judge others. It's up to those in charge to judge by the law of Allah.

Now of course for God to the judge He should first lay down the laws and rules. Wouldn't it be unjust of him, if he Judge us on the Day of the Judgement but does not tell us what rules and laws we are supposed to follow.

Maybe you would want to share the following article with him;

Basis for Muslim Beleif

http://www.themodernreligion.com/essays_Gary_Miller.htm

 

[Amir_of_spain]

An atheist asked me a question about Islam and I am not a knowledgable person. I need an answer InshaAllaah, so that is why I came to ask here on TTI because MashaAllaah I know that there are knowledgable brothers and sisters here.

This is the question: "you talk about god being the judge on judgement yet so many muslims judge their own people..trying to set rules for others..ie..womens rights and equality..gay rights..let them be and let god be the judge...you use the koran as an excuse to judge others..let allah do that..."

The answer to this specific question regarding the compulsion of Islamic law is linked to the fact that we muslims believe in God. We say God almighty has a direct influence not just on our spiritual life but also on other spheres of humanity life such as the social, economical and moral, thus Islam is a comprehensive way of life, much more than just a set of religious laws, but more like a program on how human beings, the society and environment should be organised and run. If left to other's, it ends the society ends up oppressed, loss in equality, loss in environment etc. This is the current state of the world, hence in our times we fear global crisis in a very real and serious way that we did not before. Now since God commands us to establish this order/his law, it's only logical that those who are muslims should fall under this rule, so there is no contradiction as Allah is the one who is telling us to do so.

 

[a_muslimah86]

Oooohhhh atheists!..they never cease to amaze me with their know-it-all-attitude which is quite *the opposite* to say the least!

I would just ask that person one thing in return..

"If you have a sovereign country with a valid constitution through which the land and the people of this country are ruled according to thorough and specific laws, if people were to break these laws or attempt to not abide by them? would THE GOVERNMENT let them BE?"

The answer of course...is NO..the government surely would NOT let anyone breaking DETERMINED LAWS to BE..because that is abandonment of the government's AUTHORITY..it is an encouragement of disorder and chaos..it is REBELLIOUSNESS..

Islam..in its SHARIA..operates the same!..our Sharia comes through the Qura'an and the Sunnah..it is clear..it is determined..it is valid..for one to know it and insist that they will reject it..it is to declare rebelliousness against it and to dig a path of chaos for themselves and those they live amongst..if we are to judge..then we are to judge according to the Qura'an and the Sunnah..nobody is to follow their biases and whims because what we have before us to judge *through* is sent from THE SUPREME-JUDGE that is Allah (swt)..and even in making judgements..not *everyone* is assigned this role..there are those qualified and trusted with such duties..and I am speaking about the *big* issues here such as women's rights..gay rights..etc. as for the *smaller* or more "individual" judgements then these are made through personal rationalization and what is fitting for the person or the family..*again* under personal awareness of basica rights and duties granted to the individual or family through Sharia

The logic this person is speaking through is so faulty you cannot even apply it to *secular* arguments...for *ORDER* to exist in society (any society) there has to be *judgement* through a given set of laws..*the Muslim nation* (in this I mean all people following Islam)..the Sharia is that set of *laws*

I hope this will clarify things for this person

 

[Kakorot]

may Allaah reward u all, thank u very much

 

[Kakorot]

if any of u have a youtube account, then you join in the fruitful discussion, please be polite, i would appreciate this athiest man mentioned that he likes the adhaan. this is how the discussion started:

"i am athiest and love the call to allah call....chat...what ever it is called...this is why i visit arab countries...it wakes me up early morning...so so beautiful...."

so u see, he ain't like one of those mean athiests he appears to be polite, so now we have to give him da'wah and answer his doubts and wallaahu 'alim

i didn't respond to his question there but i sent him a private message with the answer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig_mlEwO23k

may Allaah bless u all

 

[AbdAllah84]

if any of u have a youtube account, then you join in the fruitful discussion, please be polite, i would appreciate this athiest man mentioned that he likes the adhaan. this is how the discussion started:

"i am athiest and love the call to allah call....chat...what ever it is called...this is why i visit arab countries...it wakes me up early morning...so so beautiful...."

so u see, he ain't like one of those mean athiests he appears to be polite, so now we have to give him da'wah and answer his doubts and wallaahu 'alim

i didn't respond to his question there but i sent him a private message with the answer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig_mlEwO23k

may Allaah bless u all

:salam2:

Invite her to join TT1 and we will try to clear her misconceptions. I personally feel youtube is not the ideal place to discuss Islam, I mean the comment section.

And Allah swt knows best!

Jazakallah Khair,

 

[Hard Rock Moslem]

or perhaps u can explain to him/her this way


if u create a machine,only u know how the machine functions.in order to explain to others,u need a manual booklet.Allah is the creator and He has mentioned everything in His manual booklet which is the Quran,So we live our life according to it.Salam

Fantastic answer. Ini anak murid Tok Guru ke?

This is what our ulama TG Nik Abdul Aziz said recently when I attended his talk, almost everthing there is a manual, not only machine, even if you buy a soy sauce there will be manual on it's bottle. Likewise, Allah the Creator had revealed His manual for mankind, the Holy Qur'an and al-Hadith.

 

[Hard Rock Moslem]

Bismillaah :
This is the question: "you talk about god being the judge on judgement yet so many muslims judge their own people..trying to set rules for others..ie..womens rights and equality..gay rights..let them be and let god be the judge...you use the koran as an excuse to judge others..let allah do that..."

So how should I respond? Ayahs from the Qur'aan and hadith narrations would be helpful

The trouble is, he is an atheist, it is quite difficult to debate to someone do not believe in God (I mean, my self do not have experience debating with an atheist. I don't doubt about other brothers and sisters). Since you asked for proof from Qur'an, following verse came into my mind:

O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger (Muhammad), and those of you (Muslims) who are in authority. (And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allah and His Messenger, if you believe in Allah and in the Last Day. That is better and more suitable for final determination. Holy Qur'an: An-Nisaa' (4:59).

From the above verse, it is clear we have to obey Allah and His Rasool's commands (through Holy Qur'an and al-Hadith). Nevertheless, men (the leaders) can also make laws and people must obey laws made by the leaders (as per the above verse) so long the laws do not oppress or discriminate the people or contradict Holy Qur'an and al-Hadith. Example of acceptable man made law, traffic lights - this is international law. You go to any country you will have traffic lights with same colour. But if we have leaders or law that oppress people example, the zionist regime rule over Palestinie, we need not obey in fact it is mandatory that we fight them.

Allah knows best. Pls correct me if I'm wrong. Any error was due to my own ignorant and weaknesses.

 

[revert2007]

bukan anak murid Tok Guru

Fantastic answer. Ini anak murid Tok Guru ke?

This is what our ulama TG Nik Abdul Aziz said recently when I attended his talk, almost everthing there is a manual, not only machine, even if you buy a soy sauce there will be manual on it's bottle. Likewise, Allah the Creator had revealed His manual for mankind, the Holy Qur'an and al-Hadith.

alhamdulilah.kebetulan sahaja.Bukankah semua yg baik datang daripada Allah s.w.t

 

[Hard Rock Moslem]

alhamdulilah.kebetulan sahaja.Bukankah semua yg baik datang daripada Allah s.w.t

Betul, betul. May Allah increase your knowledge and your imaan. Ameen.

 

[revert2007]

Betul, betul. May Allah increase your knowledge and your imaan. Ameen.

thank u and same to you.ameen

 

[abulzan07]

This is the question: "you talk about god being the judge on judgement yet so many muslims judge their own people..trying to set rules for others..ie..womens rights and equality..gay rights..let them be and let god be the judge...you use the koran as an excuse to judge others..let allah do that...

Asalamalykum warahamtaullahi wabarkatuhu........i can give you a very straight forward and logical answer .....first tell that person dont judge the car by its driver if muslims are doing wrong it has nothing to do with islam if driver dont know how to drive a car its not mistake of car and you cant judge a religion by its follower many christians hindu or others do bad does it mean i start judgeing their religion because of few.......If people are misquoting quran its their problem and tell him i agree 100% muslims are messed up they no longer represent their religion as whole thats why they are in so much trouble today but Quran and hadith is still same its still so beautiful and authentic that if person read it with good intention he will be guided to the truth