Sunnis pray like Shiaas??

[al-muslimah]

:salam2:

Me, my Sunni friends and one of my shia friends were discussing things about Islam as our discussion passed we talked about a sect that is spreaded in Oman called "Ibadhieen", don't know if you ever heard about it, actually it was the First time for me. Anyway one the sunni friends was talking about people there, when they pray they put there arms beside them just as shias do..so I popped up and told the shia girl .."oh they do as you guys do..but why is it? why dont you pray like the Rasool..and then i turned to my other friends and continued "why dont people unite..our religion is only Islam and we only follow the quran and sunnah" (I dont know if it was right to tell that in her face..maybe i offended her i dont know..but i get SO annoyed at a point)..after that for a sudden she replied a reply which I didn't expect "even Sunni people pray like that in the maliki mathhab" I was like " what??!! we pray like the Rasool SAW.. actually the Rasool SAW said "pray as you see me praying"..now I'm so confused ..Malki mathhab is an appropriate mathhab that most muslims follow and now their is something inappropriate about putting arms beside when praying..is it really true ?? how come those Sunni pray like that?? what can I tell my shiaa friend next sunday..I'v always wanted to open discussions about shiaa and Sunni when shes present but the day i opened she replied something which I didn't know how to reply.. :S:S

p.s: I hate the fact that I'm stating "Shiaa" and "Sunni" but thats reality and I'm only describing whats happening in the real world. We Muslims have no sections! One Allah, One Quran One deen, One Islam.

 

[DanyalSAC]

Walaikum salaam -

I am not an expert on such things, but I can say this: We have several Maliki brothers in my masjid and yes, they pray with their arms straight down and facing straight ahead (not looking down to their prostrate spot) towards Makkah. I mentioned it here on this website and was corrected by someone telling me "Not all Maliki pray like that!". I don't know, I don't know "all" Malikis but can say all of them that I DO know do pray like that. At the end when we do the 'salaam' our right shoulder then the left, they do that differently too - but I can't remember the exact difference. They don't put their foreheads on a rock though like the Shia do.

 

[a_stranger]

Hands while prayers

the adherents of the Mālikite fiqh maintain that one should not hold one’s hands while standing before the Almighty during the prayer. We however have problem ascribing this standing to the pioneer of this fiqh, Imam Mālik. The statement which is quoted in this regard from Imam Mālik becomes questionable when it is read in the context of other reports and facts. This statement is quoted in al-Mudawwanah al-Kubrā:

And about placing one’s right hand over the left during Prayers, Mālik said: ‘I am not aware of this practice in the obligatory prayers’. Mālik detested this practice [in obligatory prayers], but considered it acceptable in supererogatory prayers, to support oneself, when the standing posture (Qiyām) can be quite prolonged.1

This is the statement from which is construed Imam Mālik’s point of view regarding leaving hands at ease when being in the obligatory prayers; and in supererogatory prayers it is however allowable to support oneself by holding hands in case of a prolonged Qiyām. Although this statement is clear and it would have been decisive in ascertaining the viewpoint of Imam Mālik regarding leaving one’s hand at ease when offering the prayer, yet we have some other information which presents quite a different picture as regards Imam Mālik’s views. We have some reports recorded in the Hadīth collection of the Imam, which supports the opinion of the mainstream Muslims in this regard. I quote:

‘Abd al-Karīm al-Basarī says that amongst the sayings of the Prophet (sws) was: ‘If you do not have shame in your heart, then you do whatever you may feel like doing and that he [ie., the Prophet (sws)] put one hand over the other during the prayer, he would put his right hand over his left. (Mu’attā: No. 377)

Sahal Ibn Sa‘ad says that people used to prescribe upon others to put their right hands on their left elbows during prayers. Abū Hāzim [who reports from Sahal Ibn Sa‘ad] says: I am sure that this was ascribed to the Prophet (sws). (Mu’attā: No. 378)

The very existence of these reports in the Hadīth collection of the Imam without any objection note thereon shows that he held them to be true in this regard. The least we can however establish from these reports is that he had an idea of this practice. Keeping the purport of these reports in mind, one can hardly understand why the Imam said:

And about placing one’s right hand over the left during Prayers, Mālik said: ‘I am not aware of this practice in the obligatory prayers’.

So much so that he is reported to have shown great disapproval of this practice in the obligatory prayers.

Moiz Amjad, Editor, www.understanding-islam.com, while answering a similar question, has pointed out another fact which carries due consideration. He says:

Another important factor which renders Imam Mālik’s opinion cited in al-Mudawwanah al-Kubrā quite questionable is the fact that the people of Madīnah, whose actions form one of the primary basis of the juristic opinions of Imam Mālik are generally reported to have offered their prayers with their hands folded in front of them while in the standing posture.

Finally, in his notes on al-Mudawwanah al-Kubrā, Ibn Rushd writes:

With reference to the statement ‘putting the right hand over the left...’, Ashhab has said that there is no harm in doing so whether in obligatory prayers or in supererogatory prayers due to the Hadīth cited in this regard and also due to the fact that standing with one’s hands folded in front is the posture of servitude and subservience in front of one’s Lord... In Matraf’s and Ibn Mājishūn’s ‘Al-Wādihah’, there is a third saying ascribed to Imam Mālik in this regard according to which it is held that the Imam preferred to fold one’s hands, over not doing so.2

I therefore believe that the right approach in this regard is to follow the practice prevalent among the majority of the Muslims. These Muslims of course have received this practice as an established form of offering the prayer from the preceding generations—a form which is not based on the statement of one scholar. This suggestion is reinforced in the context where we are not able to even substantiate the authenticity of what is described as Imam Mālik’s view.

Nevertheless, I would again say that it is actually a matter of personal judgment. If my explanation does not convince you, there is nothing to worry about. Your prayers will be accepted by the Lord as long as you worship him in accordance with what you have derived from the practices of the Muslims and use your intellectual faculty regarding points of differences among the Muslim jurists.









1. Al-Mudawwanah al-Kubrā, vol. 1 (Beirut, Dār al-Fikr, 1986), p. 76.

2. http://understanding-islam.org/related/text.asp?type=question&qid=2155


copied from http://www.monthly-renaissance.com/issue/query.aspx?id=98

 

[al-muslimah]

Ukhti/ Akhi jazak allahu khayran for your post..it indeed cleared things up.

From what I understood is that it is okay that Malikis or even Shiaas put their hands down as their prayers would be accepted. But they should know as long as the majority of muslims put their right hand over the left hand, just as the Prophet SAW used to do, then they should do the same to get to a point of unite.

Thanks again Mr/Ms. stranger and thanks for everyone who replied and spent time reading my post. Jazakum Allahu khayran.

 

[daywalker]

:salam2: It doesnt matter how do they pray. If a person aqeedah is wrong, he may be neighbour of prophet(sw), but still it doesnt mean anything. there were a deviant sect called mutazillah, they were in fiqh hanafi, yet, their aqeedah was wrong.

 

[al-muslimah]

:salam2: It doesnt matter how do they pray. If a person aqeedah is wrong, he may be neighbour of prophet(sw), but still it doesnt mean anything. there were a deviant sect called mutazillah, they were in fiqh hanafi, yet, their aqeedah was wrong.

True. As long as aqeedah is there, we shouldn't care about the small stuff that wont make any differance to the deen.

 

[Hard Rock Moslem]

Forget about shia, I'm not interested to know how they pray. I wanted to ask also why Maliki pray while their hands down? I've friend frm France who is Maliki, he told me he is not sure why. But a friend of mine said because Imam Malik once was imprison, he was repeatedly beaten on his both arms in the prison until he could no longer raise his both hands especially in prayers. So his students also prayed like him hence the follower of Maliki. Pls accept my apology if this is not true and no basis.

I agree with sister al-Muslimah. We should be more worried for those Sunnis that are not praying at all. Am I right?

 

[ahmed_indian]

sunnis and shias have differences in basic beliefs.

i think there is a need to correct those first to unite under Quran and sunnah.

 

[Fatima S.Ar]

Forget about shia, I'm not interested to know how they pray. I wanted to ask also why Maliki pray while their hands down? I've friend frm France who is Maliki, he told me he is not sure why. But a friend of mine said because Imam Malik once was imprison, he was repeatedly beaten on his both arms in the prison until he could no longer raise his both hands especially in prayers. So his students also prayed like him hence the follower of Maliki. Pls accept my apology if this is not true and no basis.

Exactly !! you are right

He was tortured so could not raise his arms
and they follow him !

 

[revert2007]

:salam2:

Me, my Sunni friends and one of my shia friends were discussing things about Islam as our discussion passed we talked about a sect that is spreaded in Oman called "Ibadhieen", don't know if you ever heard about it, actually it was the First time for me. Anyway one the sunni friends was talking about people there, when they pray they put there arms beside them just as shias do..so I popped up and told the shia girl .."oh they do as you guys do..but why is it? why dont you pray like the Rasool..and then i turned to my other friends and continued "why dont people unite..our religion is only Islam and we only follow the quran and sunnah" (I dont know if it was right to tell that in her face..maybe i offended her i dont know..but i get SO annoyed at a point)..after that for a sudden she replied a reply which I didn't expect "even Sunni people pray like that in the maliki mathhab" I was like " what??!! we pray like the Rasool SAW.. actually the Rasool SAW said "pray as you see me praying"..now I'm so confused ..Malki mathhab is an appropriate mathhab that most muslims follow and now their is something inappropriate about putting arms beside when praying..is it really true ?? how come those Sunni pray like that?? what can I tell my shiaa friend next sunday..I'v always wanted to open discussions about shiaa and Sunni when shes present but the day i opened she replied something which I didn't know how to reply.. :S:S

p.s: I hate the fact that I'm stating "Shiaa" and "Sunni" but thats reality and I'm only describing whats happening in the real world. We Muslims have no sections! One Allah, One Quran One deen, One Islam.

well the other day i was watching the live prayer from KSA and i saw one of the man was praying and his hands were at the sight not on his naval .so am wondering what that girl said might be true.Allahu Alam .is anyone from maliki mazhab?

 

[al-muslimah]

Forget about shia, I'm not interested to know how they pray. I wanted to ask also why Maliki pray while their hands down? I've friend frm France who is Maliki, he told me he is not sure why. But a friend of mine said because Imam Malik once was imprison, he was repeatedly beaten on his both arms in the prison until he could no longer raise his both hands especially in prayers. So his students also prayed like him hence the follower of Maliki. Pls accept my apology if this is not true and no basis.

I agree with sister al-Muslimah. We should be more worried for those Sunnis that are not praying at all. Am I right?

I asked my father yesturday about malkis and how they pray, he told me that at the end of Imam Malik's life he got sick and hardly would lift his hands up to his chest. Afer that action all the other maliks copied him untill this day. But me too dont have any proof. Sorry.

You are right akhi, we should be more concerned about our sunni brothers and sisters who dont pray!!

 

[revert2007]

MALIKI PRAY LIKE SHIAH...VIDEO​

 

[allah is with me]

shias pray very different..
you know they keep stone and bow or something i dont know properly..
but we are different....and in shia peoples azan they include ali (r.a.a) they are just totally different...

 

[revert2007]

I asked my father yesturday about malkis and how they pray, he told me that at the end of Imam Malik's life he got sick and hardly would lift his hands up to his chest. Afer that action all the other maliks copied him untill this day. But me too dont have any proof. Sorry.

You are right akhi, we should be more concerned about our sunni brothers and sisters who dont pray!!

we should worried both not praying and not following the sunnah.it is our duty to correct the wrong ones.what is the point of doing something which is not according to the sunnah.why do people follow the mazhab rather than the prophet?thsi is wrong...follow the prophet and that is what Allah has ordered us.anything that the prophet didn't do,u are not suppose to do and that will be bi'da and ur commiting sin.Allahu Alam

 

[al-muslimah]

shias pray very different..
you know they keep stone and bow or something i dont properly..
but we are different....and in shia peoples azan they include ali (r.a.a) they are just totally different...

sister you from malki school?

 

[daywalker]

. But a friend of mine said because Imam Malik once was imprison, he was repeatedly beaten on his both arms in the prison until he could no longer raise his both hands especially in prayers. So his students also prayed like him hence the follower of Maliki. Pls accept my apology if this is not true and no basis.

He was tortured so could not raise his arms
and they follow him !

I asked my father yesturday about malkis and how they pray, he told me that at the end of Imam Malik's life he got sick and hardly would lift his hands up to his chest. Afer that action all the other maliks copied him untill this day. But me too dont have any proof. Sorry.

Its the one of rumour spead by haters of imam malik, and to accuse the people of following imam malik(rh) and not prophet(sw).

 

[al-muslimah]

Oh sister revert 2009...OMG there prayer is differant subhanallah..not only for the hand thingy, but also the final salam on one side and the way he points his fingers when saying the shahadateen! wierd! makes me mad just like you..its funny how every sect creats there own traditions and "ways".

 

[al-muslimah]

Its the one of rumour spead by haters of imam malik, and to accuse the people of following imam malik(rh) and not prophet(sw).

Akhi please dont get us wrong!! We dont hate him! our question was only why do maliks put there hands beside just as shiaas?? that was the question..and the thing that is fustrating us is about differant sects in islam when we only have only origanal one.

 

[daywalker]

Akhi please dont get us wrong!! We dont hate him!

:salam2:
Sister i didnt say that you or we here forum users hate anyone. The rumour was spread by people of past. And thats what i heard myself too. I know , we have asked, but didnt claim anything here.

 

[allah is with me]

sister you from malki school?

no sis i am not from that school...
thanks for asking