Wow this disturbs me...

[DanyalSAC]

Asalaamu alaikum...

I have a friend in KSA. We've known each other since right after I took shahadah. We've never met face to face. We talk about Islam and the dunya, everything good friends and brothers in Islam discuss.

Well, today I get an IM from him that's a bit different than normal and he's excited about the team he's a fan of, I think they're called Al Hilal... anyway, to make a long story short, he admits to me that he and his brothers are watching the game DRINKING (and this explains why his IMs seemed different, he's drunk)!

He basically brags about it, "so do you like me now?" he said, like its a challenge. When I tried to tell him about the Qur'an Al Baqarah (2:219) that says drinking is forbidden, and he goes ballistic telling me "I've been Muslim all my life, you been Muslim 1 year so you can't come teach Islam to me!"

He pulls no punches - he goes on to bring up my past, talking about how "You are old, you drink alcohol before - I am young I can do it!" I won't go into the whole conversation - much of which is difficult to understand because his English is poor to begin with, but is terrible when he's under the influence of alcohol - but one thing that really stood out and bothers me the most is the idea he was trying to put across that he's young and Allah forgives him so he can continue. He told me that I've done it so that makes me as much a sinner as him (I told him I hadn't had alcohol since my shahada and that didn't register).

Is this a common conception? "I'm young and forgiven"? That sounds very Christian to me... they commit the most horrible sins on Mankind and are convinced they're forgiven.

Anyway...make dua' for our brother that Allah guide him back to the straight path.

jazakAllah khairn
d.

 

[IslamicGirl24]

Wa alaykumus Salam.

Yup! This perception is very common. Once or twice, I tried telling my friends that some of the things that they were doing were forbidden in Islam. And their simple reply was .."Look! Allah swt is Merciful. I am sure He will forgive me for a little thing like this" (And then they continued on doing whatever they were doing). I was so shocked that I couldn't even reply back. So now I have just stopped teaching them.

May Allah swt guide us all.

 

[Al-Kashmiri]

As-salaamu `alaykum

What a horrible situation. I've never heard this concept before. Yet similar to it, I have only heard of a tribe in the sub-Indian continent known as Syed's, who claim ancestry to the Prophet, sall-Allaahu `alayhi wasallam, asserting that they can pretty much do what they want. Many of the people of Pakistan and India believe this. Yet what is ironic is that these people don't even know their lineages, just like the rest of the sub-Indian continent.

This friend of yours has spoken a load of nonsense. If you were able to send him a slap via IM, I would definitely request you send one on my behalf! Don't let this child's nonsense upset you, he is accountable for his drinking, and you were forgiven.

Was-salaam

 

[DanyalSAC]

So how does one proceed when they have a Muslim friend who persists in un-Islamic behavior? We can't stop talking to them, our Prophet sallalahu alayhi wa'salaam in Sunan Daud tells us we can only stay away from a believer for 3 days (I can't quote the hadith off the top of my head). But sometimes being around a believer who behaves poorly can influence us in a bad way.

 

[Al-Kashmiri]

So how does one proceed when they have a Muslim friend who persists in un-Islamic behavior? We can't stop talking to them, our Prophet sallalahu alayhi wa'salaam in Sunan Daud tells us we can only stay away from a believer for 3 days (I can't quote the hadith off the top of my head). But sometimes being around a believer who behaves poorly can influence us in a bad way.

As-salaamu `alaykum

May Allaah be merciful to you, akhi there are many ahaadeeth on the subject of boycotting and companionship. If someone has a bad influence on you and you stay away from him, you are saving your self and your religion. Allaah knows best, but I've always understood the hadeeth about staying away from a believer for only 3 days to be in the context of a trivial dispute between them.

The Prophet sall-Allaahu `alayhi wasallam abandoned/boycotted `Ubai Ibn K`ab and two others for a period of 40 days. In addition, he, sall-Allaahu `alayhi wasallam, commanded the people not to greet them during this period. The reason for this, is because they didn't make preparations and attend one of the most significant battles in our history. Imam Abu Dawud collects some ahaadeeth concerning this event in "Book of the Sunnah" of his canonical collection of hadeeth. The point in this hadeeth being mentioned here is because abandonment, is a sunnah. That is when it produces positive effects, especially for the one being abandoned.

Anyhow, if you cannot advise him, he doesn't change and he is harming your faith, I feel you should drift away from him.

Allaah knows best. Good companionship is a serious matter, stressed in Islaam.

Was-salaam

 

[DanyalSAC]

As-salaamu `alaykum

May Allaah be merciful to you, akhi there are many ahaadeeth on the subject of boycotting and companionship. If someone has a bad influence on you and you stay away from him, you are saving your self and your religion. Allaah knows best, but I've always understood the hadeeth about staying away from a believer for only 3 days to be in the context of a trivial dispute between them.

The Prophet sall-Allaahu `alayhi wasallam abandoned/boycotted `Ubai Ibn K`ab and two others for a period of 40 days. In addition, he, sall-Allaahu `alayhi wasallam, commanded the people not to greet them during this period. The reason for this, is because they didn't make preparations and attend one of the most significant battles in our history. Imam Abu Dawud collects some ahaadeeth concerning this event in "Book of the Sunnah" of his canonical collection of hadeeth.

Anyhow, if you cannot advise him, he doesn't change and he is harming your faith, I feel you should drift away from him.

Allaah knows best. Good companionship is a serious matter, stressed in Islaam.

Was-salaam

Wa alaikum salaam

JazakAllah khair for this wonderful reply. Can you tell me what did
`Ubai Ibn K`ab and the others do to warrant this boycott?

Yes good companionship is a must, I refuse to associate with folks who struggle against me because of my faith.

Wa salaama
D.

 

[Ibn Uthaymin]

May Allah giude him

 

[Mabsoot]

assalamu alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh,

From Sahl ibn Sa'd (radiyallaahu anhu) who said that Allah's Messenger (salallaahu alayhi wa sallam) said:

"Beware of sins which are treated as being minor, just like a people who encamp in the centre of a valley, so someone brings a stick of firewood and someone else brings a stick until they are therefore able to bake their bread. Likewise sins which are treated as being minor and for which the person is taken to account will destroy him."
Reported by Ahmad (5/331) and others


The noble companion 'Abdullah ibn Mas'ood (radhiyallahu anhu) said: "The believer sees his sins as if he were sitting beneath a mountain which he feared was about to fall upon him, whereas the wicked sees his sins like a man who finds a fly settle upon his nose, so he does this (one of the narrators said: He brushes it away from his nose)."
Reported by al-Bukharee (Eng. Trans. 8/214/no.320)

 

[Al-Kashmiri]

Wa alaikum salaam

JazakAllah khair for this wonderful reply. Can you tell me what did
`Ubai Ibn K`ab and the others do to warrant this boycott?

Yes good companionship is a must, I refuse to associate with folks who struggle against me because of my faith.

Wa salaama
D.

As-salaamu `alaykum

Baarak Allaahu feek. Think of it in modern day terms. A punishment given to a soldier for his absence during a war. This is still considered a serious offense in virtually any society. Here is a brief summary of what took place, may Allaah forgive me if I err.

The whole of Madinah was practically making preperations for this war, on a daily basis (food for traveling, weaponry etc.) As for 'Ubai, may Allaah be pleased with him, as he narrated himself, he kept delaying his preparations, saying to himself he'd do it later. It reached a point where he had nothing prepared as the army departed and being young and able, participation was obligatory on him.

Some time later after the campaign, when the Prophet, sall-Allaahu `alayhi wasallam, returned to Al-Madinah, those who did not attend the battle offered their excuses, whereas 'Ubai bin Ka`b and two others confessed that they had no real excuses. For this, they were boycotted for 40 days, until news/revelation had come that Allaah had forgiven them!

This is the gist of what took place, but I strongly recommend you read the lengthly hadeeth. It can be found in An-Nawawi's Riyaad us-Saaliheen in The Book of Repentance. Inshaa' Allaah, if someone knows where this narration can be found online, please post it as it is a heart-melting story.

Was-salaam

 

[arzafar]

what a load of trash.
btw i saw some horse racing taking place on an Arabian channel. well the language was arabic. do they place bets on the horses too? isn't that gambling?

 

[revert2007]

Assalamualikum Brother.

When I converted in 2007,I went through the same situation where people said I am still new in Islam and they don't like me telling them what they suppose to do.They didn't say it to my face but through their sarcastic look I can read their mind.

Anyway, I just tell them that,I am new to Islam and my sin is 0 and if I were to die now,InshaAlalh I will straight go to Jannah but what about you who have been Muslim all yourlife and you are not sure about it.(Applied only to those truly convert because of Allah and Allah knows that they really have iman in their heart).So this makes them to think twice before saying anything to me.

Islam is not about young or old,born Muslim or revert.It is about your iman.

Of course Allah is Merciful.But if we have the intention of committing sin just because He will forgive us and we don't sincerily ask for forgiveness,then Allahu Alam we will be forgiven because we take His Mercy for granted.

Sincere repentence is the one counted and not just aksing for forgiveness through tongue but not through heart.

The same goes to poeple who convert.only Allah knows if their heart is Muslim or not even though they pronounce the shahadah.

We can't judge people of course but we can make dua to have more quality Muslims.

Just take it easy.It is a sign that you must keep yourself away from him.

 

[almanar]

just another view

Asalaamu alaikum...

We've known each other since right after I took shahadah. We've never met face to face.

Well, today I get an IM from him that's a bit different than normal
d.

Assalamualaikum.

Are u sure it is ur KSA friend who told u all that? Maybe somebody else was trying to break ur friendship with him..

 

[muslimda3ee]

:salam2:

ask yourself this question,

what guarantees that a person is muslim and abstaining from the bad and doing the good.

just because he was from KSA, doesn't mean anything. Yeah he may know Arabic and about Islam, but it doesn't mean he complying with all Allah's prohibitions.

make dawaa to this person, and remind him of the good deeds. That way you could get more ajr, in sha Allah. Sometimes people need just a reminder, thats all. And do stay firm, don't give in(meaning ignoring the bad deeds).

 

[Mabsoot]

Assalamu alaykum

if someone said those things to you Danyal, they sure sound immature and without responsibility.

You can only convey the message to them, if they dont listen, thats their problem

 

[DanyalSAC]

Assalamualaikum.

Are u sure it is ur KSA friend who told u all that? Maybe somebody else was trying to break ur friendship with him..

No because he's done this once before. He told me he and his brothers would cross the bridge into Bahrain and do stuff that I won't discuss here. When I told him how Islam didn't approve of that, he dropped the subject. Until today that is.

 

[Albint_Almuslima]

Asalam Aleekum,

This is crazy...a big wow.... Please brother stay strong and dont let anyone put u down...what u used to do in the past is the past and u used to do it before shahadah sooo Insha Allah your forgiven for it... and ur friend i dont know where hes getting "im young and forgiven" from, where in the quran or ahadith did he get that from? based on my knowledge and understanding of islam that does not exist. it dont matter how young or old you are a sin is a sin...

salam,

 

[salahdin]

Narrated Abu Malik Al-Ashari:
"The Messenger (pbuh) of Allah (SWT) said, "Some people of my Ummah will drink wine, calling it by other than its real name, merriment will be made for them through the playing of musical instruments and the singing of lady singers. Allah will cleave the earth under them and turn others into monkeys and swines.

 

[Al-Kashmiri]

No because he's done this once before. He told me he and his brothers would cross the bridge into Bahrain and do stuff that I won't discuss here. When I told him how Islam didn't approve of that, he dropped the subject. Until today that is.

As-salaamu `alaykum

No surprise there, except I was expecting you to write Kuwait and not Bahrain.

 

[hana*]

As-salaamu `alaykum

No surprise there, except I was expecting you to write Kuwait and not Bahrain.

i totally agree with that. i think there is a common misconception that the people in such countries are free from such sin. saudi, bahrain, kuwait etc etc is filled with such haraam activities but there are also good people there too. i believe that the reason haraam is spreading in these countries are because of the internet, the satellite channels and because it is difficult for men to get married (due to financial reasons) and thus the haraam is speading. may Allah save us and help the muslimeen return to their deen 'radaan jameelan'

and brother danyal, you are better than thousands of muslims out there, so keep stong

 

[palestine]

This may be the perception of SOME youth, not all. There are those who would never do such a thing because they have so much taqwa and we have so many on this forum mashAllah. However dear brother, your friend maybe thinks this way b/c some youth over seas think that Americans will accept them if they change their way of living. anyhow, may Allah swt Guide him back to Islam and may Allah swt heal the wounds that he has caused you for saying such painful things. take care. Wasalamu alaikum.