Hypothetically speaking....

Isra

aka Tree2008
As salamo alaikome

Inshallah all of my brothers and sisters here at TTI are in good health and Iman.

Apparently I have alot of time on my hands to have random thoughts running through my mind these days. :lol:

I was thinking yesterday about something and wanted to find out if someone could answer this.

Suppose you were walking down the street carrying groceries and a man grabs the bag from your hand and runs up the street. You run after him but he is faster than you so you grab a rock and throw it hoping to stop him. The rock hits his leg and trips him. He falls and hits his head on the cement and dies instantly.

My question is are you accountable for his death? Would it be considered self defense or murder? Obviously it was not intentional on your part to kill him. You were only trying to make him stop or at the very least drop your groceries but things went bad. What does Islam say about this situation?
 

Wannabemuslim

Junior Member
It probably isnt worth to kill him over a bag of grocherys and canned goods. However yes i think in an american court the man who stole things from you would get away unpunished and you would be tried for murder. Its not fair but hey its true. If it wasn't it would be funny
 

Isra

aka Tree2008
It probably isnt worth to kill him over a bag of grocherys and canned goods. However yes i think in an american court the man who stole things from you would get away unpunished and you would be tried for murder. Its not fair but hey its true. If it wasn't it would be funny

As salamo alaikome

Thank you for responding to my question but I meant that the killing was completely accidental (like in Quran story of Moses and how he hit that man and accidently killed him) and I was actually referring to what is Islamically correct meaning not by mans law but by Islamic law would you be held accountable for an accidental death.

I appreciate you taking the time to answer though. Thank you again

Wa salam
 

Wannabemuslim

Junior Member
al salaam aleikum

From what i can tell you think that its not murder in islamic guidlines, i agree. I think most of the people who arnt posting atm have the same answer.
 

JenGiove

Junior Member
:salam2: This applies to Muslim on Muslim accidental death but I found it for you.

In the event of manslaughter, the diyah is required from the killer’s family and expiation is required from the killer

If a Muslim kills another Muslim by mistake, such as if he kills him unintentionally in a car accident, what does he have to do?.


Praise be to Allaah.

What must be done in the event of accidental killing is two things: diyah (blood money) and kafaarah (expiation).


Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):


“It is not for a believer to kill a believer except (that it be) by mistake; and whosoever kills a believer by mistake, (it is ordained that) he must set free a believing slave and a compensation (blood money, i.e. Diya) be given to the deceased’s family unless they remit it”​


[al-Nisa’ 4:92]


In the event of manslaughter, the diyah must be paid by the ‘aaqilah of the killer, i.e., by his male relatives on his father’s side, the father, paternal grandfathers, full brothers, half-brothers on the father’s side and their sons, and paternal uncles and their sons. This is the view of Abu Haneefah, Maalik and Ahmad.


Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen said in al-Sharh al-Mumti’ (11/77): The ‘aaqilah includes all male relatives on the father’s side, whether they are heirs or not. The husband, half-brother on the mother’s side and mother’s father are not part of the ‘aaqilah. End quote.


The judge should divide the shares of diyah to be paid among the male relatives according to the closeness of the relationship and how rich they are. The closer relatives should shoulder more of a burden than more distant relatives, and those who are richer should shoulder more of the burden, and those who are poor do not have to pay anything.


See al-Sharh al-Mumti’, 11/80


Ibn Qudaamah said in al-Mughni, 12/21


We do not know of any differing opinion among the scholars; they are agreed that the diyah in the case of accidental killing must be paid by the ‘aaqilah. Ibn al-Mundhir said: There is consensus on this matter among all those scholars from whom we learned. There are proven reports from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) which state that he ruled that the diyah must be paid by the ‘aaqilah, and the scholars are unanimously agreed upon this point.​


What this means is that because accidental harm may happen frequently and the diyah for killing a human being is great, making it obligatory for the offender and taking it from his wealth may be unfair to him. So wisdom dictates that it shoukd be imposed on the ‘aaqilah so as to help the offender, and reduce his burden, if there is an excuse for what he did, but he alone has to offer the kafaarah (expiation). End quote.


It says in Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah (21/238):


The ruling that the diyah must be paid by the family (‘aaqilah) applies only in cases of accidental killing or quasi-intentional killing. In cases of deliberate killing the diyah is not borne by the family, rather it is to be paid only by the killer. If the members of the ‘aaqilah agree to share the burden with him or to help him to pay the diyah, there is nothing wrong with that. End quote.​


With regard to the kafaarah (expiation), it must be paid by the killer. The expiation is to free a believing slave; if that is not possible, then he must fast for two consecutive months. This is mentioned in the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):


“It is not for a believer to kill a believer except (that it be) by mistake; and whosoever kills a believer by mistake, (it is ordained that) he must set free a believing slave and a compensation (blood money, i.e. Diya) be given to the deceased’s family unless they remit it. If the deceased belonged to a people at war with you and he was a believer, the freeing of a believing slave (is prescribed); and if he belonged to a people with whom you have a treaty of mutual alliance, compensation (blood money — Diya) must be paid to his family, and a believing slave must be freed. And whoso finds this (the penance of freeing a slave) beyond his means, he must fast for two consecutive months in order to seek repentance from Allaah. And Allaah is Ever All‑Knowing, All‑Wise”​


[al-Nisa’ 4:92].



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hayat84

I'm not what you believe
:salam2:
by the way I'm an impulsive but compassionate person,if something happened to me,I would let the thief run away with my bag,it doesn't matter what he brings with him.I have no strenght nor patience to run after a thief,so I would let Allah make His work.maybe the thief could fall into the ground alone and I would only walk to re-bring what he stole me before:lol:
 
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