Never to hear the message of Islam
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Perseveranze
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Asalaamu Alaikum,
Ibn Qayyim (r) wrote -
{…And We never punish until We have sent a Messenger (to give warning).} [17: 15]
With regard to those whom the call of Islam did not reach, and against whom no proof was established by means of the Messengers, according to the more correct view, they will be tested on the Day of Resurrection.
{…And We never punish until We have sent a Messenger (to give warning).} [17: 15]
Hatty
Junior Member
Someone has asked me this question (she is about to
become a muslimah). Her statement: 'A lot of others will never meet a Muslim in person. Will they be held responsible for their ignorance? What exactly does this mean: "After the revelation of the Quran who ever receives this message & does not abide by it is a non-believer"?
i. Who is considered to have received the message?
ii. Isn't it possible for people to have not received the message even though the Quran is in existence?'
Praise be to Allaah.
It is part of the justice of Allaah that He does not punish any people until He has first sent a warning to them and unless there is evidence against them. Allaah does not treat anybody unfairly. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “… And We never punish until We have sent a Messenger (to give warning).” [al-Israa’ 17:15].
In his tafseer (commentary) on this aayah, Ibn Katheer (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “These words, ‘…And We never punish until We have sent a Messenger (to give warning)’ tell us of the justice of Allaah, may He be exalted, and that He does not punish anyone until after He has established evidence against him by sending a Messenger to him. This is like the aayat (interpretation of the meaning): ‘… Every time a group is cast therein [into Hell], its keeper will ask, “Did no warner come to you?” They will say, “Yes indeed; a warner did come to us, but we belied him and said: ‘Allaah never sent down anything (of revelation), you are only in great error.’”’ [al-Mulk 67:8] and: ‘And those who disbelieved will be driven to Hell in groups, till, when they reach it, the gates thereof will be opened (suddenly like a prison at the arrival of its prisoners). And its keepers will say, “Did not the Messengers come to you from yourselves, - reciting to you the Verses of your Lord, and warning you of the Meeting of this Day of yours?” They will say: “Yes, but the Word of torment has been justified against the disbelievers!”’ [al-Zumar 39:71]…”
A person who has never heard of Islam or the Prophet SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and who has never heard the message in its correct and true form, will not be punished by Allaah if he dies in a state of kufr (disbelief). If it were asked what his fate will be, the answer will be that Allaah will test him on the Day of Resurrection: if he obeys, he will enter Paradise and if he disobeys he will enter Hell. The evidence (daleel) for this is the hadeeth of al-Aswad ibn Saree’, who reported that the Prophet of Allaah SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There are four (who will protest) to Allaah on the Day of Resurrection: the deaf man who never heard anything, the insane man, the very old man, and the man who died during the fatrah (the interval between the time of ‘Eesaa (Jesus, upon whom be peace) and the time of Muhammad SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)). The deaf man will say, ‘O Lord, Islam came but I never heard anything.’ The insane man will say, ‘O Lord, Islam came but the children ran after me and threw stones at me.’ The very old man will say, ‘O Lord, Islam came but I did not understand anything.’ The man who died during the fatrah will say, ‘O Lord, no Messenger from You came to me.’ He will accept their promises of obedience, then word will be sent to them to enter the Fire. By the One in Whose hand is the soul of Muhammad, if they enter it, it will be cool and safe for them.”
According to another report, he said: “Whoever enters it, it will be cool and safe for him, and whoever does not enter it will be dragged to it.” (The hadeeth was reported by Imaam Ahmad and Ibn Hibbaan, and deemed saheeh by al-Albaani, Saheeh al-Jaami’, 881).
Everyone who hears the message of Islam in a sound and correct form (and rejects it), will have evidence aginst him. Whoever dies without having heard the message, or having heard it in a distorted form, then his case is in the hands of Allaah. Allaah knows best about His creation, and He will never treat anyone unfairly. And Allaah is All-Seer of His slaves.
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Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid
become a muslimah). Her statement: 'A lot of others will never meet a Muslim in person. Will they be held responsible for their ignorance? What exactly does this mean: "After the revelation of the Quran who ever receives this message & does not abide by it is a non-believer"?
i. Who is considered to have received the message?
ii. Isn't it possible for people to have not received the message even though the Quran is in existence?'
Praise be to Allaah.
It is part of the justice of Allaah that He does not punish any people until He has first sent a warning to them and unless there is evidence against them. Allaah does not treat anybody unfairly. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “… And We never punish until We have sent a Messenger (to give warning).” [al-Israa’ 17:15].
In his tafseer (commentary) on this aayah, Ibn Katheer (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “These words, ‘…And We never punish until We have sent a Messenger (to give warning)’ tell us of the justice of Allaah, may He be exalted, and that He does not punish anyone until after He has established evidence against him by sending a Messenger to him. This is like the aayat (interpretation of the meaning): ‘… Every time a group is cast therein [into Hell], its keeper will ask, “Did no warner come to you?” They will say, “Yes indeed; a warner did come to us, but we belied him and said: ‘Allaah never sent down anything (of revelation), you are only in great error.’”’ [al-Mulk 67:8] and: ‘And those who disbelieved will be driven to Hell in groups, till, when they reach it, the gates thereof will be opened (suddenly like a prison at the arrival of its prisoners). And its keepers will say, “Did not the Messengers come to you from yourselves, - reciting to you the Verses of your Lord, and warning you of the Meeting of this Day of yours?” They will say: “Yes, but the Word of torment has been justified against the disbelievers!”’ [al-Zumar 39:71]…”
A person who has never heard of Islam or the Prophet SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and who has never heard the message in its correct and true form, will not be punished by Allaah if he dies in a state of kufr (disbelief). If it were asked what his fate will be, the answer will be that Allaah will test him on the Day of Resurrection: if he obeys, he will enter Paradise and if he disobeys he will enter Hell. The evidence (daleel) for this is the hadeeth of al-Aswad ibn Saree’, who reported that the Prophet of Allaah SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There are four (who will protest) to Allaah on the Day of Resurrection: the deaf man who never heard anything, the insane man, the very old man, and the man who died during the fatrah (the interval between the time of ‘Eesaa (Jesus, upon whom be peace) and the time of Muhammad SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)). The deaf man will say, ‘O Lord, Islam came but I never heard anything.’ The insane man will say, ‘O Lord, Islam came but the children ran after me and threw stones at me.’ The very old man will say, ‘O Lord, Islam came but I did not understand anything.’ The man who died during the fatrah will say, ‘O Lord, no Messenger from You came to me.’ He will accept their promises of obedience, then word will be sent to them to enter the Fire. By the One in Whose hand is the soul of Muhammad, if they enter it, it will be cool and safe for them.”
According to another report, he said: “Whoever enters it, it will be cool and safe for him, and whoever does not enter it will be dragged to it.” (The hadeeth was reported by Imaam Ahmad and Ibn Hibbaan, and deemed saheeh by al-Albaani, Saheeh al-Jaami’, 881).
Everyone who hears the message of Islam in a sound and correct form (and rejects it), will have evidence aginst him. Whoever dies without having heard the message, or having heard it in a distorted form, then his case is in the hands of Allaah. Allaah knows best about His creation, and He will never treat anyone unfairly. And Allaah is All-Seer of His slaves.
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Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid
shukran brother for this..
i always wonder about this..
my grandmother died without being muslim ,which bothers me until this day...
she gre up and opassed most of her life knowing nothing about islam..in a time wihtoout tv interent etc..where you would not hear anything,,and by the time tv came along she only got negatove news..by the time i became muslim she was close to 90. and even i tired it was impossible,,
but she was one of the best people i have ever known...
and troubles me what will happen to her in the hereafter
we have amny born muslims today especially young ones..who turn away from the true religion or at least dont follow it correctly and sin
yet someone like my grandmother will be punished just becasue she never knew the truth,,,,,,,
i always wonder about this..
my grandmother died without being muslim ,which bothers me until this day...
she gre up and opassed most of her life knowing nothing about islam..in a time wihtoout tv interent etc..where you would not hear anything,,and by the time tv came along she only got negatove news..by the time i became muslim she was close to 90. and even i tired it was impossible,,
but she was one of the best people i have ever known...
and troubles me what will happen to her in the hereafter
we have amny born muslims today especially young ones..who turn away from the true religion or at least dont follow it correctly and sin
yet someone like my grandmother will be punished just becasue she never knew the truth,,,,,,,
a_stranger
Junior Member
:salam2:
Something that give peace to my mind and heart knowing that Allah subhanahu wa taala is absolutly just ...no one will be wronged within his justice......the details is not of our business ...we should do what we can in telling people in the best way ....
Something that give peace to my mind and heart knowing that Allah subhanahu wa taala is absolutly just ...no one will be wronged within his justice......the details is not of our business ...we should do what we can in telling people in the best way ....
alf2
Islam is a way of life
There are people in this world who have never heard of Islam or cannot communicate with the outside world. I know this is getting rarer and rarer but there are small tribes of people with a very endangered language who still worship their own deities and probably do not know about Christianity either.
Another example of this would be people with non communicable Autism or cognitive mental disabilities.
May allah forgive these peoples insha allah.
Another example of this would be people with non communicable Autism or cognitive mental disabilities.
May allah forgive these peoples insha allah.
asalaam aleykum.
according to the more correct view,
they will be tested on the Day of Resurrection.
Now let us please put our brains for a while, this is just my thinking
september 11 example
World wide and even the deaf had been made to understand by Media or to what so ever as POINTING A FINGER AS ISLAM...is that and that.....
....Wel had that deaf been made to hear dose he/she NOT have brain to think how UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, had been taken unaware with all technologies, and would he/she NOT USE HIS BRAIN TO INQUIRE OR AT LEAST KNOW WHAT IS ISLAM ? while she/he was ready accepted all media Propagandas.
(67:10) They will say: ‘If we had only listened and understood, *16 we would not be among the inmates of the Blazing Fire.’”
...however ...Allah knows the BEST.
:salam2:
People in North Korea basically have no access to the outside world. Many do not have basic services like running water let along cell phones or a TV. They are told what to think but the government from cradle to grave. If they do manage to escape they are in awe about the outside world due to them being told what the world is like via North Korea propaganda. It is very realistic that people there have not heard of Islam.
People in North Korea basically have no access to the outside world. Many do not have basic services like running water let along cell phones or a TV. They are told what to think but the government from cradle to grave. If they do manage to escape they are in awe about the outside world due to them being told what the world is like via North Korea propaganda. It is very realistic that people there have not heard of Islam.
lovefordeen
Junior Member
assalaam alaikum
dear sister,i don't know what will happen to those we say didn't get the message of islam...
but i know that our Lord Allah is the Most Gracious,Most Merciful,the Most Just Judge,the All-Wise...
He will be just towards all His slaves...
so please don't worry dear..He is the All Wise..it's just that we are not able to comprehend His Wisdom..
assalaam alaikum
Hajjerr
He is Dhul-Jalali Wal-Ikram
salam aleikum wa rahmatulahy wa barakatuh,
I TRUST ALLAH, i know how my grandparents where, good and kind, aware of God, theyr condition, they never meeting with islam, i pray for them and again i trust Allah, He is the most Mercyfull and the most Just.
:tti_sister:
Inchallah He will give them a chance, inchallah...
And inchallah He will help all of us..
:salam2:
I TRUST ALLAH, i know how my grandparents where, good and kind, aware of God, theyr condition, they never meeting with islam, i pray for them and again i trust Allah, He is the most Mercyfull and the most Just.
:tti_sister:
Inchallah He will give them a chance, inchallah...
And inchallah He will help all of us..
:salam2:
ameen:tti_sister:
Perseveranze
Junior Member
Asalaamu Alaikum,
That's a shame if true, but remember Allah(swt) is Just, He will give them all a worthy test.
Very different in South Korea, where Islam is said to be flourishing Alhamduilillah.
kashif_nazeer
~~~Alhamdulillah~~~
:salam2:
Scholars have said and as the brother has quoted,the people to whom message of Islam didn't reach or reached in a distorted manner will be tested on the day of judgement.Same iew is held bout people born in the period between two prophets like,that between Hazrat Isa(alyhissalam) and RasoolAllah Muhammad
.Such people are called ahlul fitrah or people of fitrah.As sister,a_stranger posted,Allah will not wrong anyone even the least amount.
If I made any mistake it was from my vain desires and all good is from Allah.
Wallahu AAlam.
