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Home Last Updated: Fri Dec 30, 2011 11:59 am (KSA) 08:59 am (GMT) Kurdish rebels call for an uprising in Turkey after dozens killed in an air strike
Friday, 30 December 2011


Turkish riot police stand guard at Taksim Square during a pro-Kurdish protest against military air strikes in central Istanbul. (Reuters) inShare.1By AFP
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The rebel Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) on Friday urged Kurds in Turkey to stage an “uprising” after an air force raid killed 35 villagers near the Iraq border.

“We urge the people of Kurdistan... to react after this massacre and seek a settling of accounts through uprisings,” Bahoz Erdal from the armed wing of the PKK, labeled a terrorist organization by Ankara, said in a statement.

Turkey’s ruling party on Thursday said the strike could have been a “blunder” that killed civilians and not Kurdish separatists.

“According to initial reports, these people were smugglers and not terrorists,” said Huseyin Celik, vice-president of the governing Justice and Development Party (AKP).

“If it turns out to have been a mistake, a blunder, rest assured that this will not be covered up,” he said, adding that it could have been an “operational accident” by the military.

Turkey’s military command said it had launched an air raid on PKK militants after a spy drone spotted a group moving toward its sensitive southeastern border under cover of darkness late Wednesday.

“The area where this happened is called Sinat-Haftanin, in northern Iraq, where there is no civilian population, and where the terrorist organization has bases,” a military statement said, referring to the outlawed PKK.

But the country's main pro-Kurdish Peace and Democracy Party (BDP) said the planes had bombed villagers from Kurdish majority southeastern Turkey who were smuggling sugar and fuel across the border on mules and donkeys.

“It’s clearly a massacre of civilians, of whom the oldest is 20," BDP leader Selahattin Demirtas said in a statement that called on Turkey’s Kurdish population to respond “by democratic means.”

The PKK took up arms in Kurdish-majority southeastern Turkey in 1984, sparking a conflict that has claimed about 45,000 lives. It is labeled a terrorist organization by Ankara and much of the international community.

Clashes between Kurdish rebels and the army have escalated in recent months.

The Turkish military launched an operation on militant bases inside northern Iraq in October after a PKK attack killed 24 soldiers in the border town of Cukurca, the army's

 

[Rebaz]

Can't Turkey and the neightbours surroundering the Kurds give them their independence country? They have done a lot of good things for the Ummah in the past and they're muslims. Why can't they stop their suffering?

 

[yasak80]

Some of the kurd people are muslims and have no problem with the world.they are in their own business ...

but pkk is a terrorist group ( they think that they are fighting for the rights of kurdish people) which kills childs , babies and clean muslims.
they are some photos which shows that they are not muslim.
because they are laughing to a person who prays...

 

[Rebaz]

Some of the kurd people are muslims and have no problem with the world.they are in their own business ...

but pkk is a terrorist group ( they think that they are fighting for the rights of kurdish people) which kills childs , babies and clean muslims.
they are some photos which shows that they are not muslim.
because they are laughing to a person who prays...

Some? You ever been to the parts of Kurdistan? Atleast we do not wave american flags here (Unlike some other countries *Coughcough*), and when our leaders goes against the laws of Islam for the sake of greed and money we teach them a nice lesson. Like we did in Zakho where prostitution places and alcohol bars were burned. Most of the people are muslims, even though there are some right-wing extremists that are nationalists. But you know what the reason of that is? Kurds were opressed by turks for decades, they were not aloud to speak their own language and were treated as sub-humans.

Turkey have been using propaganda for so long and been promoting ''turkishness'' instead of Islam, the only time they use Islam is to win the peoples heart, and by telling people PKK is not a muslim group. But frankly, it is not true, there are a lot of muslims in PKK. And they search for a peaceful solution but Turkey responses with weapon. Who's the better man in this case? And PKK started in middle of 80s, after the massacre of 50+ thousand kurds by Turkey and discrimination against the human rights, and you wonder why some kurds are nationalists? Who's the terrorist group here? I mean really, compare the amount of civilians that have died by Turkey to the amount that have died with PKKs hands.

It's actually funny, when a weak people is promoting ´´nationalism´´ (Or as I would name it, a people that are tired of begin treated as sub-humans) it's considered as kufr, but when Turkey worship ataturk and bow down to their flag it's nothing, or the tribalism in KSA... It's actually funny. You will think I'm a nationalist now, but I'm not. I'm just sorting falsehood from the truth, since I'm tired of pan-arabism and turkishness lies.

 

[yasak80]

terrorism is not allowed in islam brother.
A muslim can not bomb a bus for his right !

Meanwhile they have same rights with anyone.
they can speak their languages, they have their own television, etc...
Infact I have a neighbour who is kurd and I love her.
I dont have any bad thoguht for you because I think you have misleaded.

 

[Rebaz]

terrorism is not allowed in islam brother.
A muslim can not bomb a bus for his right !

Meanwhile they have same rights with anyone.
they can speak their languages, they have their own television, etc...
Infact I have a neighbour who is kurd and I love her.
I dont have any bad thoguht for you because I think you have misleaded.

Yet Turkey attack villages full of civilians? It was just few days ago they killed 35 civilians. As I said, if we have a competetion of which group have suffered the most by death of civilians, Turkey would win by horse lenghts, when it comes to who the terrorists are. So, let's not do that since we both know the answer.

PKK started because of the affects the turkishness had against the kurds. They want their own land where they can govern and be safe, without begin regarded as sub-humans and have their own political rights without the Turkish government interupt them. They want their political right and decide over their own future, in places where they are majority and have been living there for 1000+ years, unlike turks whose forefathers belongs in central-asia. Look at the history, and when PKK started. And what the situation of the Kurds where in Turkey during that time. Bingo.

The problem is not in the race, it's in the government my sister. I'm not here to support PKK, since they have done a lot of immoral acts. But when you try to defend the government that's full of utopy about begin ''European'' and promoting ''Secularism'' and are in the Nato I just feel ashamed of the ummah. My complain is not against you, understand that please.

 

[Perseveranze]

Asalaamu Alaikum,

I heard the PKK isn't even Muslim and are mainly nationalists. Could someone confirm if this is true or false?

 

[Idris16]

SubhanAllah this is wrong. Whats wrong with you? I see people defending falsehood. I've been to a Turkish airport, and they have pictures of that filthy kaafir apostate Ataturk that destroyed Islam from within in Turkey. They have his pictures as if they were worshipping that man.

We wont understand until we understand this: An Indian Muslim is dearer to us than a Pakistani kafir. A Serb Muslim is dearer to us than a Bosnian Kafir. An Israeli Muslim is dearer to us than a Palestinian Kafir.

I heard the PKK isn't even Muslim and are mainly nationalists. Could someone confirm if this is true or false?

wa alaykum salam warahmatullah wabarakatuh
Kurds in general are nationalists. They have five languages or even more. So not all Kurds speak the same language

 

[Rebaz]

Asalaamu Alaikum,

I heard the PKK isn't even Muslim and are mainly nationalists. Could someone confirm if this is true or false?

PKK ain't the true image of kurds. They have adopted western thoughts, do some simple math and you'll understand why. And by the same logic, we can say palestinians are nationalists. Since it's same war they have.

 

[Rebaz]

SubhanAllah this is wrong. Whats wrong with you? I see people defending falsehood. I've been to a Turkish airport, and they have pictures of that filthy kaafir apostate Ataturk that destroyed Islam from within in Turkey. They have his pictures as if they were worshipping that man.

We wont understand until we understand this: An Indian Muslim is dearer to us than a Pakistani kafir. A Serb Muslim is dearer to us than a Bosnian Kafir. An Israeli Muslim is dearer to us than a Palestinian Kafir.

wa alaykum salam warahmatullah wabarakatuh
Kurds in general are nationalists. They have five languages or even more. So not all Kurds speak the same language

Yeah, correct brother.

I wouldn't call kurds nationalists in general. It's a word that's begin used on Islamic forums when the logic flaws and people don't want to look deeper in a subject and just use nationalist as a filthy word. I would call it patriotism. It's a simple demand for your freedom and own govern country, what's wrong with that? Did arabs treat kurds well? No, they killed about 200 thousand of them. Did turks treat kurds well? No, they have killed about 300+ thousand (More probably) innocent kurds. Did Iran treat kurds well? No. After the false propaganda by the rafidis about Iran is land of all muslims they killed about 50 thousand kurds in few weeks. Did Syria treat kurds well? No, they are still considered as sub-humans without full citizens rights.

So, after knowing some basic facts about the kurds history, you won't get surprised by their anger. I'm a kurd from Souther Kurdistan (Kurdistan regional government) - The iraqi part. It's just that we don't trust them. They have burned our house and tried to occupy us. Which part of our suffering is different from the palestinians? Beside the fact that there's no jews next to us, lol.

Kurds had no problem during the ottoman empire etc. Since Islam brought us together, but laters, Turkey was filled with turkishness and Iraq/Syria pan-arabism. We simply don't accept that. If this makes me a non-muslim and kafir then fine (According to a fews logic...). But to me, Islam calls out the freedom of the muslims in states, which we lost a lot of times. And Idris, we don´t have 5+ languages, it's dialects.

 

[yasak80]

pkk is terror group which define themselves as workers for freedom of Kurds.
But however inside their victims there are too many kurds too.

Kurds and turks are crying because of their actions.
May Allah stop their crimes..
amin.

 

[Rebaz]

pkk is terror group which define themselves as workers for freedom of Kurds.
But however inside their victims there are too many kurds too.

Kurds and turks are crying because of their actions.
May Allah stop their crimes..
amin.

Since you have no interest in looking through my post and are feed with up turkishness propaganda, I see no reason to continue this discussion when it only leads to confusion for you. Thanks.