“We will show you things worse than Guantanamo” Details about attack on Muslim sister for wearing B

[elqouds2020]

“We will show you things worse than Guantanamo”

Written by Arnaud Mafille Wednesday, 04 July 2012

On 1 June 2012, Belgian newspapers reported the arrest of Stéphanie Djato, a young lady wearing a niqab (face veil) after an identity check. It was added that she assaulted police officers and injured two of them before being released. A few days ago, she gave her own version of the story and described what happened in the police station’s storage room where she was held (here). A statement allegedly made by one of the policemen especially resonates: “We will show you things worse than Guantanamo! Here it is worse than Guantanamo!”

Indeed, the treatment to which she was subjected was clearly inspired by the way American soldiers would “process” detainees of the War on Terror.

The young lady explains what happened after she removed her face veil but refused to undress fully. Two female officers attempted to take off her clothes forcefully and started to beat her. Unable to do so, they then called two male officers who allegedly joined the beating sessions. She explains:

“They called in the help of a third male officer who was told to bring a pair of scissors. They threw me on the floor and the male officer sat on my buttocks and he started to cut my clothes: my jilbaab, niqab and underwear. So there I was on the floor with that cop on my back who tore my clothes with scissors and the rest he tore with his hands. Meanwhile, my face was being kicked and my body was being punched by the two policemen who stood beside me (...) At that point, a male cop came and he put handcuffs on me, with my hands behind my back. I had my hair tied in a knot, he snatched the rubber band out of my hair and he pulled me by my hair to put me on my feet. He pulled my hair and my handcuffs and I sat on my two knees.”

The abuses worsened when the young lady accidentally head butted one of the female agents in her attempt to avert the beatings of the police officers.

“The police really became wild and they threw me back on the floor and started to undress me completely, they started to cut my underwear and pulled off my pants. I was naked.”

These words disturbingly echoe those of Moazzam Begg, a British citizen who spent several years in Guantanamo without charge and who is currently directing Cageprisoners. In his autobiography, EnemyCombatant, he recalls his “processing” after he was handed over by the Pakistanis to US personnel.

“I was tripped onto the ground to the prone position again. This time I felt knees pushing hard against my ribs and legs, and crushing down on my skull simultaneously. I was pinned to the ground by this massive weight; I was not sure how many of them were on me – perhaps three. I couldn’t move an inch. I felt the shackles being undone from the ankles, and then I felt a cold, sharp metal object against my legs: they were using a knife to slice off my clothes, and I felt the cold even more, though the humiliation was worse. With the trousers off, the shackles were replaced against my bare skin. The process was repeated with the shirt – my arms were twisted behind my back, until reshackling was complete. I was pulled up to a standing position and the hood was removed.”

Asim Qureshi, commenting on the Zelikowtorturememo, has already explained how sexual humiliation has become a part of the instruments of the War on Terror, by preying on Muslim sensitivities. Coupled with physical violence, psychological abuse aims at stripping off the individual not just from his clothes but also from his dignity and humanity.

These are exactly the feelings described by Stéphanie Djato:

“They have offended me, the Muslim women, Islam … There was a small piece of cloth hanging from my neck, the man who sat on me was pulling it back, he strangled me with that piece of my niqab. I had the impression I was dying, I was suffocating, I could not breathe, I was shaking and my eyes rolled back, I was panicking. I thought I would die. I screamed in panic, anxiety... I was so stressed that I shouted: “Stop, stop please, I’ll do what you want, but please stop, stop this torture I’m going to do what you want! You are going to kill me!”Then they replied: “You can die!” And then they were insulting me, they said things I can’t mention. At that point, I received so many blows that I fainted on the floor, I could not move, and I screamed so much that I couldn’t scream anymore …”

However, her plight did not end there.

“When they realised that they had gone too far and they raised my pants back up and they covered me partially with a top that I had. They dragged me so I could get up and they dragged me by the police department in front of all their colleagues. The colleagues asked, “Who is this?” Which the police said: “This is a burqa, this is a burqa!” For me this was a triple humiliation because I was half naked and this was a big humiliation for me, because I felt how everyone stared at me, I felt dirty by their eyes that were focused on my body, this was a humiliation for me. They paraded me for five minutes or so across the police station. And they were screaming: “Look, look this is a burqa!” And to finish, they threw me in a cell for about 2 hours.”

She was eventually transferred to the nearest hospital, bare foot and half dressed, and immediately admitted into intensive care.

This case could be seen as an isolated and unfortunate incident, completely unrelated to the War on Terror. However, the reference to Guantanamo made by one of the police officers is indeed significant. Guantanamo has created a mentality which branches out beyond the detention camps and conflict zones. It has normalised the idea that Muslims can be treated under a separate regime. Legislation going against hundreds-year old legal tradition canbe adopted to restrict or annihilate their right to a fair trial or their freedom of religion alike. The implementation of these policies shall be ruthless for them to be taught a lesson with, at the end of the day, very little protest.

It is interesting that Stéphanie Djato was placed in a storage room and not in an office as she noticed. She was symbolically taken out of the normal system where no rule would apply, just like 779 men were kidnapped all around the world and brought to an Island where none of the existing laws would prevail.

If Guantanamo still needs to be physically closed down, the impalpable state of mind it has spread also needs to be reversed...


Source: Cageprisoners.com

hasbouna ellah wa niama el wakil

 

[elqouds2020]

قال تعالى : ( ولن ترضى عنك اليهود ولا النصارى

:tti_sister:

Assaalaam alaikum,.


Why was she on a tram alone. If you a woman who is going to be in niqqab and you are following the faith to that degree why oh why are you traveling alone. And you know this is against the law. Why do you want it both ways. You can not have it both ways. Why would you risk this.
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
شكرا لكم على هذه النصيحة أن المرآة لا تسافر لوحدها و لكن الضروف حمتها على ذلك و نعدرها و لكن المكر لغير المسلمين أشد على المتحجبات فكيف يكون على المتنقبات و أسأل الله أن يحفضها من كيد الأعداء و يلازقها من يحميها أمين
I know my answer is not going to be popular. Yes, I feel sorry for the girl but she was alone.

Did someone not explain to the revert that a woman does not go out alone? You can not have it both ways. You can not.

It is well known that police are brutal to those they detain.

But will someone explain to the niqqabi sisters the fundamental rules for women wearing niqqab, please.

 

[elqouds2020]

الهجرة

:tti_sister:

She wore a niqaab and went out alone - how has she half followed the deen in what she was doing? Explain yourself fully and please do not imply things by only going half way, come clean, what is it that you are trying to say?

Why is that you are pointing fingers at your Muslim sister instead of the oppressive law that gave rise to her abuse? Why are you saying she should change her ways rather than point out how oppressive and wrong the law itself is and say that it should be the thing that changes?

Your loyalties are 100% questionable.

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
أتمنى لها أن ترحل من هذا البلاد الذي أهينت فيه إلى بلاد مسلم

 

[Um Ibrahim]

Assalaam alaikum,

Your perception of my response does not make me arrogant nor wrong.

The lack of thought is disturbing. I simply pointed out if you know there is law and you are willing to break the law you must be aware of the consequences. That is simple. Now it becomes complicated when you are a Muslim. You have more responsibility. You have to be knowledge about your responsibility. If you are going to tackle the law be prepared.

What good did this do? How has this helped anyone? We have to act in a responsible manner. The scholars have told us that. Is it responsible to break the law?

Sister, I am sorry but no-one can tell what I am supposed to feel. What is up with questioning a response that is not popular. I told you from the get-go I was going to respond in a manner that would make everyone uncomfortable. At what point do we stop feeling sorry for ourselves? This is about personal accountability.

I live in a land where I do not have to take off anything. I am blessed. I have spent a life-time on civil rights for all people. But, I am well aware that should I choose to break a law I know the repercussions and consequences. I am not blind. I have sought much knowledge and know my rights.

We are warned to take precautions. We must heed what our faith tells us to do or not to do.

If you wear something banned you will be given the full fury of those that enforce the ban. The police went to extremes. Why do you think this is new? Why? The police are not rational beings. It is a well known fact that they are not the sharpest pencils in the bin.

I understand what you're trying to say sister. However, your suggestions are not well received because of the way you say things from the start.

If you're trying to advice sisters, it's better to do it in a way which is acceptable. But first blaming the victim and then insisting that it's their fault will not do anything but make you come across as insensitive, and a know-it-all. Whatever you're trying to say after that, whether it is good or not will not be taken seriously. If you're giving da'wah, never start your da'wah by being so direct and harsh with the person. You're only going to chase away the person. This is exactly what is happening with your comments regarding this issue. Even though your intention might be good but your approach needs some improvement.

Forgive me if I've offended you in any way. Perhaps I did get a little emotional I just felt so sad for the sister that was attacked.

 

[Umm Abdullah]

:salam2:


May Allah help and protect our dear sister amin:tti_sister:
This wallahi made me so sad. How on earth could they treat the poor sister like that?
Where is the humanity? Where is the common sense? And why do they hate the niqab so much!?
They are worse than animals!

Or do you think that most of them hear or reason? They are not except like livestock. Rather, they are [even] more astray in [their] way.(25;44)

 

[al-fajr]

Assaalaam alaikum,

Wa-alaykum assalam

In no way did I say that I do think what was done to her was right. I wrote that. I was very clear this was a sin.

You said what it was not, 'it was not right' and to call it a sin is vague. It was a brutal act of oppression and in the past, treating a Muslim woman in this way was nothing less than an act of war - just for the record.

Now...given that the kufr acted like the kufr I tried to explain why they did. The kufr fabricate their laws. The laws of kufr change.

Thankyou Aapa, I know what happens, I know they create their own laws. Doesn't mean I point fingers at the Muslimah in question though.

Here is a young woman who is from the kufr. She became Muslim. Nothing upsets a kufr more than a woman of theirs who becomes Muslim. It makes them ballistic. Once she was detained without protection they acted like animals. There are no rights left.

Yep.

So, I am trying to warn young sisters that you have to be careful when you defy the laws of the kufr. We can not say the young sister was ignorant of the laws of the country. Ignorance of the law does not stand up in court. When you are accused of breaking the law until you have protection i.e. an attorney you will be beaten. They even beat and rape their own women.

Yep.

in Islam we are given laws to follow. Allah subhana wa taala knows the heart of men ( inclusive). When women go out unattended there are possible dangers. We have to be careful. We can not be foolish. It is best to be out with a group or at least two.

It isn't haraam for a women to leave her home on her own within a given distance, she hasn't followed her deen 'halfway' as you were trying to say earlier, that is an accusation worthy of Bani Isra'eel, it's heavy.

We have to be alert. Women are not safe in racist backwards countries. Why would a woman knowingly in a racist environment be alone in niqqab. Please answer this queston.

Are you trying to understand why some Muslim women choose to cover their faces? Or are you asking about the permissablity of a woman leaving her home on her own? Even if she had a couple of sisters with her, or even a mahram or her husband, you cannot claim that the outcome would have been different at all. At what point will you stop this 'serves them right' attitude?

Trust me nothing will be done in the court systems; they are corrupt. They uphold the laws of the kufr.

Yep.

So the question becomes how do you live in a backwards racist country with oppressive laws and abide by them without compromising your faith? What good are the sentiments of the responders thus far. Merely sentiments. In what way has anyone helped to revise the laws? What lesson did the young sister learn? Are there any grassroot movements to assist young sisters to avoid such situations in the future?

What lesson are you trying to teach these young sisters? I can only infer from your statements thus far that you mean they should remove their niqaabs in light of the new law, or never leave their homes again? Set this straight if it's wrong.

Someone please explain why a person who breaks a law is going to get sympathy from the ones who wrote the laws and constantly change the laws to their liking.

Nobody here expects sympathy from the kuffar, you're mistaken.

Do you think we can do as we please in the land of the kufr without suffering? What are you sniffing? They roughed up one of their own..now think what they would have done to a non-native.

Sniffing nothing, you're mistaken if you think we expected sympathy and aid from the people who made the law!

Sister Fajr...think about this. With niqqab comes a certain responsibility. The message that is given is that this person adheres to the faith on a level that is almost absolute. This person follows the laws of Islam at all times. So it is imperative that a sister knows all aspects of her faith. And she follows the faith to a t. That is the message that she gives. She is giving the message that she more so than the hijabi will not step one step away from the dictates of Islam. Are the sisters who wear niqqab aware of the message and responsibility they take on.

Ofcourse they would, why not?

 

[Aapa]

Assalaam alaikum,

Sister,

All I am saying is we have to be smarter. I have written before that the racist backwards kufr are going to target Muslim women. That is why they attack women. Simple reason why. Muslim women bear Muslim children. I am surprised the racist backward fools have not started a sterilization program for Muslim women.

I do not think that anyone would want sympathy from the racist backward fools, however, we have to teach our sisters to use precaution. They instilled these laws and will keep enforcing them. If a sister is going to blatantly disobey the laws the enforcers are not going to be kind.

We have to be aware this is the least they do to women. The sisters in niqqab have to understand this is the beginning. The sister who was brutalized has become the poster child. I am suggesting that the sisters be fully aware of the consequences of their decisions. Wear hijab until the storm settles. The scholars are equally divided between the two. Take the easy path.

The women need to work with advocacy groups. If they do this to one woman it may happen to all women. They sisters need to make this an issue of women and not just Muslim women.

 

[al-fajr]

Assalaam alaikum,

Sister,

All I am saying is we have to be smarter. I have written before that the racist backwards kufr are going to target Muslim women. That is why they attack women. Simple reason why. Muslim women bear Muslim children. I am surprised the racist backward fools have not started a sterilization program for Muslim women.

I do not think that anyone would want sympathy from the racist backward fools, however, we have to teach our sisters to use precaution. They instilled these laws and will keep enforcing them. If a sister is going to blatantly disobey the laws the enforcers are not going to be kind.

The women need to work with advocacy groups. If they do this to one woman it may happen to all women. They sisters need to make this an issue of women and not just Muslim women.

This is an issue specifically related to Islaam and Muslim women. On the one hand what you are saying is wise, we do need to be aware of the consequences of our decisions, but on the other hand I find your comments strangely naive, they're not brutalising women in short skirts and low cut tops, they're targetting the dress of Muslim women.

In fact they have pretty much reached the limits of their oppressive capacity when it comes to their own women in dictating what they should and should not wear, now they're starting on Muslim women specifically since Muslim women weren't enslaved by their propaganda/mission.

As for removing niqaab - thankyou for finally clarifying your point here.

Wa-alaykum assalam

 

[Aapa]

Assaalaam alaikum,


Sister,

We can not compare the kufr woman to us. That is unfair. The fact that the kufr woman is semi-dressed is the victory of the kufr. I have written on length on that. The woman is reduced to a sexual object on display.

It is up to Muslim women to be gentler with the kufr women. Is it not written that there will come a time when a man will take whichever woman he wants from the street..here we are.

The dress of a Muslim woman is defiance of capitalism and Zionism. At least the Commies didn't reduce women to sex slaves.

 

[John Smith]

.

The dress of a Muslim woman is defiance of capitalism and Zionism. At least the Commies didn't reduce women to sex slaves.

As Salam walaykum.

Surely the dress of a Muslim woman is an acceptance of the laws of Allah Swt and the Sunnah of his beloved messenger Muhammad (PBUH) not capitalism or Zionism?.

 

[Aapa]

Assalaam alaikum,

Exactly.

But, when they make laws and are willing to go the extra mile to enforce those laws as in the case of this young sister we have to think and refer to the literature in hadith and Quran. In my limited knowledge, as there is consensus that hijab is acceptable to please Allah, it is sufficient to wear. Thus, as usual Allah subhana wa taala has provided a way for His Believing women to cover and the laws of the kufr can not touch them.

The trouble with Islam is that it is not an individaulist faith. I can not go off into deep meditation and have out of body experiences and be happy-happy. I am part of a family. What I do does impact and effect others. Islam makes us a collective. We are encouraged to be part of a whole. We have to practice the best of manners and at all times; sometimes that includes having to tolerate the dumb kufr laws.

I hate seat belts. The law did not come into effect until many years after I got my license. The statistics indicate that they do not make a difference. Another way to make money. However, we have to wear one. If not you may lose your license. Same issue here. If the law is passed until you can get a referendum to revise the law you have to put up with it.

The Zionists want women to be slaves. Check out the biography of Natalie Portman. A woman is a sex slave. She has to show her wares as she is in competition with males. A man is able to be bisexual. A wife is there to produce children. The rest of the world is eye candy for the taking.

A Muslim woman's dress is a thorn in the rose. She is a visual reminder that there is something else out there.

Brother, they have killed messengers of Allah. Is not a Muslim woman's dress almost a jihad?

 

[al-fajr]

Assalaam alaikum,

Exactly.

But, when they make laws and are willing to go the extra mile to enforce those laws as in the case of this young sister we have to think and refer to the literature in hadith and Quran. In my limited knowledge, as there is consensus that hijab is acceptable to please Allah, it is sufficient to wear. Thus, as usual Allah subhana wa taala has provided a way for His Believing women to cover and the laws of the kufr can not touch them.

To you, niqaab isn't necessary and those sisters who do it are taking this unnecessary measure which Allaah has not made an obligation, so by this logic, you are saying they have only themselves to blame if they are hurt through wearing it.

This is the reality of what you're saying, its a very arrogant way of seeing your own choice to not wear a niqaab, you see your decision as more superior to that of the women who do wear the niqaab, that's why you think they're sufferring and you're not.

Why do you think the next law wont be banning hijaab, what makes you so sure of that? Where would that leave your statements?

The trouble with Islam is that it is not an individaulist faith. I can not go off into deep meditation and have out of body experiences and be happy-happy. I am part of a family. What I do does impact and effect others. Islam makes us a collective. We are encouraged to be part of a whole. We have to practice the best of manners and at all times; sometimes that includes having to tolerate the dumb kufr laws.

Basically you're saying they are individualistic and take their faith to a level that is impractical for everyday life, right Aapa? This is why you haven't faulted the law that was made not evenonce. You said what they did to her was a 'sin' but you haven't said the law itself was oppressive or wrong.

I hate seat belts. The law did not come into effect until many years after I got my license. The statistics indicate that they do not make a difference. Another way to make money. However, we have to wear one. If not you may lose your license. Same issue here. If the law is passed until you can get a referendum to revise the law you have to put up with it.

Our stances on this story have not arisen through lack of comprehension of how the law works, please stop repeating the same explanation, we understand, but our opinions aren't changing.

Wa-alaykum assalam.

 

[Aapa]

Assalaam alaikum,

No, sister.

What I am saying is very simply if there is a law that makes it impossible for you to wear niqqab just wear hijab.

Sister, the law is in the land of the kufr. It is their law. By definition the law of the kufr is as I wrote backwards and racist. But, that is what it is meant to be.

Sister, I do not see hijab being superior. I am stating that Believing women can still cover in the racist backward territory.

You are reading too much into this.

And yes, Islam is not individualistic. A woman has to listen to her husband does she not or her father? Is not the backbone of Islam family? We are to keep on the middle path sister.

Yes, the law is wrong. But it is not our law. The sister chooses to live there. But as I have written before, the Muslims need to repeal the law. Is the law oppressive in their land? I do not know, sister. It is their land. It is their law. We may not like it but we have to respect their laws in their lands.

Or the Muslims need to help enact legislature to protect hijab. They need to be proactive.

 

[al-fajr]

Sister, I do not see hijab being superior. I am stating that Believing women can still cover in the racist backward territory.

You are reading too much into this.

Actually Aapa this was only made clear in answer to one of my posts, this wasn't the theme of your initial posts at all:

Assaalaam alaikum,.


Why was she on a tram alone. If you a woman who is going to be in niqqab and you are following the faith to that degree why oh why are you traveling alone. And you know this is against the law. Why do you want it both ways. You can not have it both ways. Why would you risk this.

I know my answer is not going to be popular. Yes, I feel sorry for the girl but she was alone.

Did someone not explain to the revert that a woman does not go out alone? You can not have it both ways. You can not.

It is well known that police are brutal to those they detain.

But will someone explain to the niqqabi sisters the fundamental rules for women wearing niqqab, please.

So I was reading too much into this? No I don't think so, I think I now understand why you have said some of the things you have said here.

Wa-salam

 

[Aapa]

Assaalaam alaikum,

Sister,

Why can we not be objective about ourselves. Why can we not look at Muslims and say slow down. Islam gives us choices. The sister lives in a land where niqqab is outlawed. It is not the end of the world. She broke the law of the land. Hello. ( fundamental rules for wearing niqqab..you do not break laws). What is wrong with stating the facts. The woman broke the law.

Now...think of this sister..piety is not found in clothing. Niqqab is not initself piety.

You have justified your answer and are trying to vilify me.

I did not break a law.

No matter what you say the sister broke the law and then she fought with a female police officer. That is wrong from the get go. That is all I am saying. If you are going to wear a niqqab do not dishonor Islam by breaking laws when you are given alternatives such as hijab.

 

[al-fajr]

Assaalaam alaikum,

Sister,

Why can we not be objective about ourselves. Why can we not look at Muslims and say slow down. Islam gives us choices. The sister lives in a land where niqqab is outlawed. It is not the end of the world. She broke the law of the land. Hello. ( fundamental rules for wearing niqqab..you do not break laws). What is wrong with stating the facts. The woman broke the law.

Now...think of this sister..piety is not found in clothing. Niqqab is not initself piety.

You have justified your answer and are trying to vilify me.

I did not break a law.

No matter what you say the sister broke the law and then she fought with a female police officer. That is wrong from the get go. That is all I am saying. If you are going to wear a niqqab do not dishonor Islam by breaking laws when you are given alternatives such as hijab.

Wa-alaykum assalam Aapa,

In the most basic sense, I was trying to understand how someone can turn on the victim in such circumstances especially when the victim is another Muslim, clearly you didn't like that.

As for the rest, you are right that there is a difference of opinion on this and you are saying she should remove her niqaab and opt for a hijaab based on what you follow; however I cannot imagine a sister would have broken the law and suffered to this extent had she believed covering her face was not an obligation in Islam. So your solution is fine for those who share your opinion and wear the niqaab out of the belief that it is sunnah/mustahab, but most likely this is not the case for the sister in question.

In asserting something for which there is ikhtilaaf, you cannot say she is going halfway with her deen or dishonouring Islam when she is following a valid opinion, if she believes it is an obligation then that is the beginning and the end of it, she has to do it, do you see how wrong your comments come accross? It isn't allowed for you to talk down on someone who follows a different but valid opinion in such a supercillious way as you have done in this thread, not you or any of us have that right in any context.

And please lets stick to the point, I'm not entering a discussion on what piety is and it being found in niqaab or not, all of that is completely besides the point here.

 

[Aapa]

Assalaam alaikum,

No. Sister.

I am not of an opinion. I am going by the consenus of the scholars.

The woman is wrong. It is that simple. She has made her decision to break a law harder on the entire population. Furhtermore, she did not act properly. She fought with the arresting officals. That in any book is stupid. It complicates matters. In her passion she forgot the consequences that her behavior has for others. She has made it very difficult for Muslim women in the land.

She allowed herself to be victamized. She did not think it would happen to her. She did not think.

We can not blame everyone all the time. I do not have time for her woes. She insulted Believing women. As I wrote before did she think the police were going to hand her a boquet of roses?

The police are serious. Once detained common sense tells you not to fight back. Common sense dictates that you avoid all interaction with the police and remain silent.

All I am saying is think a little before you put yourself in a position that is detrimental to the masses. If you want to battle for Islam as a woman there are many other ways. This was ill-advised.

Now, everyone can rant and cry and bemoan that she was victimized. She allowed it. She used poor judgement.

And it is a fundamental question of piety. Is that not what niqqab represents? That is the essence. Or why even wear it?

Come on now, Sister, let's be real.

I do not expect you to agree with my stance but I am 100% correct. It is a good thing for us to be able to have some constructive criticism about our behaviors as well.

You call a spade a spade. She was wrong. The laws of Islam are to protect women.

I do know this is getting pointless.

If the Muslim women want to change the law then they will have to have a day of protest. Everyone will have to walk down the streets in protest in veil. But, once again that is not really what Islam teaches us is it.

 

[al-fajr]

Just like I said before, you didn't like this and claimed I was reading too much into it, but you confirm time and again it is exactly the case:

To you, niqaab isn't necessary and those sisters who do it are taking this unnecessary measure which Allaah has not made an obligation, so by this logic, you are saying they have only themselves to blame if they are hurt through wearing it.

This is the reality of what you're saying, its a very arrogant way of seeing your own choice to not wear a niqaab, you see your decision as more superior to that of the women who do wear the niqaab, that's why you think they're sufferring and you're not.

And as for this:

If the Muslim women want to change the law then they will have to have a day of protest. Everyone will have to walk down the streets in protest in veil. But, once again that is not really what Islam teaches us is it.

I would say such women should really make hijrah to a land where they can practise without hindrance. I know this isn't easy and perhaps even idealistic but even so, it is a solution, even if the country they are leaving happens to be where they originated from.

I can say that without feeling the need to demean them or make trivial their decisions to cover their faces, or shocklingly begin claiming they have dishonoured and insulted Muslim women (what on earth ..?), and all rest of the contents of your attack on niqabi women, know that this is your lone perception.

Wa-alaykum assalam.

 

[Aapa]

Assalaam alaikum,

Sister,

You know it is written that women are emotional. Your thoughts are emotional. You are stuck. I am not attacking anyone. I am simply stating there is an answer to the dilemma for women who choose to live in those countries.

And I stand by what I say. When you wear niqqab or hijab you have to live up to the responsibility of that.

Let us be objective. The sister was in the wrong to break a law.

My perception may be solitary but it is not wrong. I am still 100% correct.

 

[Abd_Al_Hadi]

Not even 1% correct. There's no excuse for hate crimes.

Sooo, Aapa, whats for dinner? Delivery again? Apparently.