Abdur Raheem Green lays the smack down on Pakistan LOL!

[saifkhan]

salam alaikum

01. Br. Abdur raheem green answered as per the question.
02. ans of course neither the conference was against Pakistan nor the QA session, it was the uploader that entitled the vdo so(as the vdois claiming to smack down on Pakistan...)
03. Brother also mentioned the shirk in India also, but the vdo wasn't titled Smackdown on Pakistan and India.

may Allah save us from this fitna of misunderstanding.

it is true that our Lands, like Pakistan, India, Bangladesh and other southeast asin countries are the 'akhara' of shirk, but alhamdu li Allah we are blessed and we are free from that. let us not divide

I think brother Abu Talib indicated this point, he didn't point Pakistan.
anyways, the Arab was also submerged in shirk, but alhamduli Allah the land is free from shirk.

let us not divide and do something so that we can save our lands.

JazakAllahu khair
wassalamu alaikum

 

[faaraa]

Those things are mostly apperent in Pakistan, BUT IT DOES NEVER MEAN THAT EVERY PAKISTANI IS COMMITTING SHIRK... Neither the Shaikh said it.. : )

Those practices are common in Sri Lanka too, (I mean in some provinces ). And to be brief.. south Asians are blinded by such concepts, ASTHAGFIRULLAH....

The shaikh used the Pakistan as the example because, the questioner used the name over there...... and sadly we are quoting this point out of context and having arguments..

LET US STOP IT and LET US FORGET AND FORGIVE

I too have seen so many ladies going around grave yard over here in Sri Lanka

Hmmm... May ALLAH AZZAWAJAL protect us all from Shirk

FEE AMANILLAH

 

[Idris16]

Shame on all those who took the video as 'fun'. What if the preacher would speak about other major sins? I don't think you would even say 'lol'. And to those from Pakistan, know that Abdurraheem Green was not talking bad about Pakistan just because it's Pakistan. He didn't like Pakistan to be called islaamic or Muslim society when shirk is practiced there in mass scales. Read this: You know Tawheed ???

http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21914

Shirk is worse than murder.

 

[Ibn Uthaymin]

Assalamo alaikum..

What is the your intention or purpose behind posting this video????

Answering a question with another question is evasive.

And in defence of Abu Talib, you don't call someone from Afghanistan, Afghanistani do you?

I don't see the problem with the word paki, I call my friends that too sometimes. Its just banter

 

[al-fajr]

Answering a question with another question is evasive.

And in defence of Abu Talib, you don't call someone from Afghanistan, Afghanistani do you?

I don't see the problem with the word paki, I call my friends that too sometimes. Its just banter

Its a derogatory term and the fact remains that the vast majority of people find it offensive.

I think you're bengali, however white british people who like to use the word can never tell the difference between Indian, Pakistani or Bengali people, so if you were called that today as you walk in public, would you be okay with that when you know its meant in a totally racist way? I doubt you would, so you shouldn't have double standards.

Interesting though, the victims of racism begin adopting the terminology of racism used against them, amongst themselves? That was seen in the 60's aswell in the Civil Rights movements, yet nowadays I don't think anyone would call a black person 'negro' or 'nigger' without thinking more than twice and they just wouldn't unless they wanted it to end badly.

Wa-salaam

 

[Ibn Uthaymin]

Its a derogatory term and the fact remains that the vast majority of people find it offensive.

I think you're bengali, however white british people who like to use the word can never tell the difference between Indian, Pakistani or Bengali people, so if you were called that today as you walk in public, would you be okay with that when you know its meant in a totally racist way? I doubt you would, so you shouldn't have double standards.

Interesting though, the victims of racism begin adopting the terminology of racism used against them, amongst themselves? That was seen in the 60's aswell in the Civil Rights movements, yet nowadays I don't think anyone would call a black person 'negro' or 'nigger' without thinking more than twice and they just wouldn't unless they wanted it to end badly.

Wa-salaam

I know its derogatory, I mean I wouldn't go and saying to everyone. Its just between my friends sometimes. And its joke. Maybe your right.

But black people call themselves "nigger" all the time. They even call some Asians that. Strange

 

[khangul]

Answering a question with another question is evasive.

And in defence of Abu Talib, you don't call someone from Afghanistan, Afghanistani do you?

I don't see the problem with the word paki, I call my friends that too sometimes. Its just banter

you likme to call these names doesnt mean that that you do what you like.you also have to respect others feelings.
i would pray to ALLAH that o ALLAH today people are making fun of us make our country the castle of islam.ameen.

 

[fatima1994]

you likme to call these names doesnt mean that that you do what you like.you also have to respect others feelings.
i would pray to ALLAH that o ALLAH today people are making fun of us make our country the castle of islam.ameen.

right said sis.... ameen

 

[helpinghumanity]

Duh I've grown up with Paki friends we do still joke about things that happen in Pakistan and also in my own country.(Shirkistaan, Wahhabee, Terrorist are just common between us so we're cool about it).

I have not named any people to say I'm pointing fingers. So just take a chill pill

There is a time and place for everything. Whatever you talk with your friends KEEP IT TO THEM ONLY.

This is a PUBLIC FORUM, where people from different backgrounds and cultures gather to discuss or i guess learn Islam. They don't know the intention behind your comment. Since they are reading it, they may view it from a different angle which may not be the one you thought of. Every possibility if possible.

Having a verbal conversation with your friends is different as compared to virtual conversation with masses involved. I too crack some hilarious jokes, but i keep them to my friends only. I hope that is clear now..

 

[slaveofAllah88]

you likme to call these names doesnt mean that that you do what you like.you also have to respect others feelings.
i would pray to ALLAH that o ALLAH today people are making fun of us make our country the castle of islam.ameen.

:salam2:
ameen

most of the people only look at bad, but the worst of muslims are in Pakistan but also the best of muslims are in Pakistan.
The amount of hafiz, scholars of ahle sunnah wa jamaat, People striving in the path of Allah (swt), madrasas; there are very good people there but are hidden due to the ignorance for the majority and focus of people on them

 

[saifkhan]

salam alaikum

hey hey brothers and sisters, it is really going anywhere else
enough my siblings

let us stop here for the sake of Allah
Allah indeed knows, what is in our minds, so alhamdu li Allah we are all Muslims and we all respect other Muslims brother, irrespective of color, race, nation

wa-llahu ta'la alam
wassalamu alaikum

 

[khangul]

:salam2:
ameen

most of the people only look at bad, but the worst of muslims are in Pakistan but also the best of muslims are in Pakistan.
The amount of hafiz, scholars of ahle sunnah wa jamaat, People striving in the path of Allah (swt), madrasas; there are very good people there but are hidden due to the ignorance for the majority and focus of people on them

:salam2:

there are 9 million hafiz of quran and 4 million of them are from india and pakistan.alhamdollilah.

 

[MalikBrother]

I am born in Pakistan, and he is not entirely wrong at all. Pakistan was progressing a lot faster ever since Pakistan became the nation at 1947 with less than $15 Million possession Pakistan has had, and managed to stun the world by the nation progressing pretty quickly, and many countries like Korea has adapted Pakistan formula of how to revive the economy and stabilize the country. Pakistan was chosen, named it based on Islam, but Shariah Law hasn't been implement for a long time, and for that, Allah (SWT) may be punishing Pakistan, and only if Shariah Law has been implement, the corruption, criminal activies,...etc, wouldn't have been on rise, but sadly, the situation in Pakistan is far worse where our brothers in Pakistan with hard earned saved money hoping to perfrom Hajj in Saudi Arabia, has been scammed by corrupt people, and therefore, our brothers are in tears, as their hard earned saved money for Hajj, as corrupt people decided to turn this in business now.

Our own people in Pakistan are against the implementation of Shariah Law in Pakistan, but quick to proudly claim Muslim, and the priority of nationalism, cities, has been top priority over Islam and Shariah Law. People in Pakistan perfer to vote for the criminal leader as soon as he gets out of jail, immediately been chosen to lead the nation. That's how the nation is messed up now. Ethnic over Equality, Province/Cities over Equality, US over Afghanistan, and has also one of the largest armies in the world, sitting idle while our Kashmir brothers and sisters are dying, our Palestine brothers and sisters are dying and go on. Despite the fact, i am very proud Muslim and Pakistani, but not Pakistani people as they are no longer Muslim and Pakistani anymore.

I think Pakistan is paying for having Nuclear weapon even though Nuclear weapon never was in Pakistan intention, but forced to plan after being threatened by India (1947 case), and Israel, and therefore, the investment on development of the country has been put on hold. I pray Pakistan to get out of the messy situation, and succeed war on terror, and so, Pakistan shall prepare to rescue for our Kashmiri, Palestine and many more. Pakistan still has one of the largest and strongest armies in the world. Pray for Pakistan, our brothers and sisters in this forum.

 

[Parvaiz]

:salam2:
I find some of the comments here offensive to my country and also find the title misleading ,some think Pakistan is full of shirk,in that case its just your mind playing with you not the reality which is completely different,i live in uae from the start i have many friends in Pakistan (salaf)which do not come into open public as they fear for their life ,every thing has to go under test no one is neglected today its full of shirk, tomorrow it can be full of great scholars.
Brother you can call me paki 100 times you want i dont mind it but when someone says to stop its your responsibility you dont hurt your muslim brother or sister ,its different talking with your friends and different speaking with new people.
Allah Guide all Of Us And Have Mercy On Pakistani People,Guide Them To The Right Path
Ameen

 

[Abu Talib]

There is a time and place for everything. Whatever you talk with your friends KEEP IT TO THEM ONLY.

This is a PUBLIC FORUM, where people from different backgrounds and cultures gather to discuss or i guess learn Islam. They don't know the intention behind your comment. Since they are reading it, they may view it from a different angle which may not be the one you thought of. Every possibility if possible.

Having a verbal conversation with your friends is different as compared to virtual conversation with masses involved. I too crack some hilarious jokes, but i keep them to my friends only. I hope that is clear now..

Assalamu`alaykum

If you consider my comment to be derogatory then stop yourself and give it a positive spin. Thats all I have to say.

I learned from you that a LoL can be interpreted as criticism or a verdict.And my conversations virtually and realistically are same.

 

[al-fajr]

Assalamu`alaykum

If you consider my comment to be derogatory then stop yourself and give it a positive spin. Thats all I have to say.

I learned from you that a LoL can be interpreted as criticism or a verdict.

You can't expect the same standards you keep between yourself and your friends to permeate the rest of society, it just doesn't work like that I'm afraid. You must already know that since I doubt you would use that term in front of an elderly Pakistani person to refer to their nationality? Or would you?

The general perception of the masses doesn't change on demand like that and that word has been a racist term since the 60's, give it another 50 years or so it might change but even so, Im sure you would have grown out of it by then.

Wa-salaam

 

[Abu Talib]

You can't expect the same standards you keep between yourself and your friends to permeate the rest of society, it just doesn't work like that I'm afraid. You must already know that since I doubt you would use that term in front of an elderly Pakistani person to refer to their nationality? Or would you?

The general perception of the masses doesn't change on demand like that and that word has been a racist term since the 60's, give it another 50 years or so it might change but even so, Im sure you would have grown out of it by then.

Wa-salaam

Assalamu`alaykum

People who believe in Assabiyah take it harshly. Others I am pretty sure they wouldn't because its a joke. I don't write here anything just because its a virtual world and enjoy the freedom of making fun.

If I really meant to make fun of Pakistan then I know much more than this which I heard from a very prominent Scholar from Pakistan who lectures at Masjid Al Haram. And if I had a laugh when Abdul Raheem Green made those dance moves then I am racist too right!. Because it was from Pakistan

(Shirkistan.....lol) and (this is shirkistan) do these both statements mean same??.

 

[ilyas_eh]

assalaamu alaykkum wa rahmathullahi wa barakatuhu,

slowly shaytan made us busy with the topic that, i doubt, would do any good in our akhirah. he, the rejected, is smart.

how come our members started arguing for and against pakistan instead of being concerned about our brothers who are involved in shirk?

and wallahi, being a muslim from India, i was reluctant, to post in this thread, that some of us may turn it into indo-pak game.

some of the members have to accept that we have little bit of nationalism sweeped through our veins. may Allah remove it from us.

to those who argued, who will be the owner of this great bounty??

The good deed and the evil deed cannot be equal. Repel (the evil) with one which is better (i.e. Allah ordered the faithful believers to be patient at the time of anger, and to excuse those who treat them badly), then verily! he, between whom and you there was enmity, (will become) as though he was a close friend.

But none is granted it (the above quality) except those who are patient, and none is granted it except the owner of the great portion (of the happiness in the Hereafter i.e. Paradise and in this world of a high moral character).

41:34,35

may Allahu subhanahu wa ta 'ala guide us.

 

[Seeker-of-truth]

lol ive seen this before

 

[Abu Talib]

I was talking about the 'Paki' comment actually.

I don't take 'Asabiyyah seriously but does that give me the liberty to freely insult those who do? If you want people to change a characterisitic, especially such a deep set one as 'Asabiyyah, you don't insult them in the hope of bringing about that change, they usually don't appreciate it! If your primary concern isn't that they change their nationalistic tendencies then you're just insulting them for personal satisfaction, and thats not okay either.

Can you think of a single example in the Sunnah where Rasulullaah (s) employed that tactic, bearing in mind he was dealing with numerous charcteristics of jahaliyyah at the same time? I want to hear about it if there is one.

I don't get it ..

Im pretty sure you're not a racist at all actually.

Wa-salaam

PS I'm not posting here again!

Assalamu`alaykum

No way I am insulting I have no right to do so please nail that in your mind. And please use the word Sallahu Alyahis Sallam instead of (s).

If calling a Paki is racist then if I call an Indian hindee would also be racist for you.

I have known Pakistan for its great Scholars like Badiuddin Shah ar-Rashidi as-Sindhee and Ehsaan Zahir Ilahi ( May Allaah have mercy and be pleased with them) so no way I have bias towards Pakis as you think.

And I am not changing people here.