Airline Security getting horrible each day

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JenGiove

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This is so horrible. How could anyone feel comfortable flying with this mess? Either you have to go through a scanner which shoots massive cancer-causing XRay doses into you, or you have to be forced into a highly aggressive (aka abusive) patdown. This story only lists half the horror.. reality of what is happening is worse. I can't even write about the truth! Astaghfiruallah, may Allah protect us from this!

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I found this today and thought I'd share it to hopefully ease your concerns about the "cancer causing effects" of the body scanners.

http://www.science20.com/adaptive_complexity/airport_body_scanner_wont_give_you_cancer

Here is another article but I'm pasting it here because the website it's on has a picture of what the scan shows and, well, you don't need to see it....it's a woman's upper body....

I want you to know though, that I am NOT posting it because of WHO wrote it....just for the science it contains.

http://www.examiner.com/science-society-in-national/what-full-body-scanner-radiation-means-to-you
Yes, the new equipment at airport security can see what you look like naked, sort of. It can’t see your tattoos but it can see your piercings; it can’t make out your nipples or various patches of fur, either. But can it give you cancer? Here’s the information you need to judge for yourself.
The equipment creates images of your body by scanning a narrow beam of x-rays across your body. The x-rays either penetrate your skin and propagate through your body, the same way as hospital or dental x-rays, or are bounce off your skin, back toward a detector. These back-scattered x-rays are the ones from which the image is built.
A second technique involving millimeter-long wavelength electromagnetic radiation are also used. The reflected radiation is again resolved into an image. The millimeter-wave technology is more challenging and less accurate than the x-ray technique. For reasons already described here, it cannot cause cancer.
X-rays, on the other hand are an entirely different beast.
The mechanism for how electromagnetic radiation causes cancer is well understood: ionizing radiation. What happens is that photons whose wavelength is below the ultraviolet part of the spectrum, wavelengths well under a micron (a factor of about a thousand smaller than a millimeter), knock electrons off of atoms/molecules. The ionized molecules become free radicals and if those molecules are components of the cell’s DNA, the genetic code is messed up. If the cell doesn’t fix the injured strand, then the errant gene programs the cell to create cancer cells.
The mechanism is called the photoelectric effect for which Einstein won the Nobel prize.
Cell phone radiation, radio and microwaves, have wavelengths thousands of times too large to hurt cells, but x-rays aren’t.
Of course the radiation exposure of Full Body Scanners is limited by the FDA to what are considered acceptable levels. Here’s what the FDA says on their web page:
The national radiation safety standard sets a dose per screening limit...a full-body x-ray security system must deliver less than the dose a person receives during 4 minutes of airline flight.
The reason that the dosages are quoted in equivalent times spent in flight is that at higher altitudes we are exposed to greater amounts of extra-planetary and extra-galactic radiation, both from the sun and from cosmic rays. The atmosphere absorbs a lot of the very small wavelength electromagnetic radiation, like x-rays. And, in one of the miracles that permits live to exist on Earth, the ionosphere catches most of the charged particles that would otherwise be headed for us. The radiation from charged particles, alpha and beta-radiation as well as muon radiation make up the particularly nasty cancer causing radiation released by atomic weapons.
Back to x-rays, there’s no reason to dispute the FDA and body scanner manufacturers’ claims that it’s equivalent to a 2-4 minute extension of your flight. When exposed, you are, after all, headed for an airplane and cheerfully exposing yourself to a considerably larger dose than if you stayed here. Plus, x-rays are not the most egregious form of radiation (alpha rays which are high energy helium nuclei, are the nastiest). However, it the relationship between ionizing radiation and is believed to be cumulative. The time you spend on an airplane + the time you spend getting dental or medical x-rays + the time you spend in the Colorado Rockies (lots of Uranium up there, and high altitude, too) accumulates, every hour of it increasing the probability of tumor formation.
Full body scanners do increase your exposure to radiation, not very much, but more than a pat down. You can turn down the scan in favor of a nearly intimate pat-down by someone of the same sex.
So what will it be for you, ma’am/sir? A nice grope or a shot of x-rays?

(The author, Ransom Stephens, Ph.D., worries less about radiation exposure than about the population being conditioned to tolerate government (or corporate) searches every time they travel a long distance. Plus, Dr. Stephens would prefer a nice grope, though he stipulates that he’d like to choose the groper and is offended by the implicit sexism in the requirement that he can’t be so groped, errr, patted down, by someone of the opposite, or at least an other, sex. In any case, while you’re on the plane you should read his novel, The God Patent, he guarantees you’ll like it with or without pat down. With is better.

You are welcome to republish the text of this article without needing further permission, provided that you (1) attribute the work to its author, Ransom Stephens, Ph.D., and, (2) provide Dr. Stephens 25% of the gross income garnered by his contribution, should your publication be a garner-er of money and (3) include some shameless promotion of his novel The God Patent.)

EDIT: I hadn't read this idiot's "disclaimer"....sorry.... I could have found the "science" somewhere else...
 

justoneofmillion

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:salam2:

We should not let such issues cause animosity between us first of all. This being a webforum for learning deen primarily and not arguing about political opinions. People are mentioning opinions, which one can take or reject. So please take my post in the correct light and not as an 'attack' or 'ridiculing'. (though it may seem so at times)

Coming to your post. TSA has implemented 'over the top' patting down and body scanning procedures which everyone is outraged against. This is a fact and you can view the widespread discontentment over the internet, print media and on TV.

Also, we are all in agreement that this is unIslamic and unwarranted. It is totally against our personal privacy. To suggest that because we don't believe in far fetched fantasies of people with a camera and/or a website equates us to being fine with strangers touching us is something I would expect on 'Fox news'. Let's not stoop to that level.

The facts about the news story are mentioned above. The remaining..

The conspiracy part is 'TSA is being controlled/manipulated by the Illuminati to somehow establish their NWO'. Conspiracy theory.

The system is the Dajjal - 'Anti Christ'. Fantasy.

Someone knew about the details of two world wars and predicted them to the T. They were all part of Albert Pike's vision. - I didn't know that warring parties in the two world wars were sticking to a screenplay. But okay !

But wait, the article says :-


Umm, okay? And the article just proved that it either not legit or completely non - existent.

What surprises me is that why people want to connect every ill thought, ill planned and nonsensical measures/laws/rules to NWO/Illuminati/Zionists ? I fail to understand.

They are probably listening to a guy who says 'Don't believe everything you see, read and hear. But I have uncovered something '.

Well, Didn't you just tell me not to believe everything I heard ? So let me apply it first to you, before I believe that the world is trying to be run down by some hidden secret gang of men. (How Hollywood .. Seriously !).

Are we really that gullible ?

Let's be learned people and understand politics, understand history of organizations and businesses. Understand how legislations are passed and who promotes them and why. Who benefits from it? (Hint : Not the Illuminati).
Read about the people who are behind these ideas and how they are profiting from it. It is all very interesting and enlightening.

But we all rather put this exercise aside and believe a guy who tells us " We are doomed. Hidden bad guys meet in secret places and are plotting to take over the world". Well since you know a lot, just leave me a memo when you find out when. Till then, let me live like an educated and reasonable person.

And that's all I have to say for now. I will get my coat.

:wasalam:
Assalamu aleikum,

Akhi , i won t grab you from the hand that hurts.But i must recognize that your arrogance and lack of understanding of history is exposing you to much criticism.Come down from your cloud.A lot of members on here have studied or are currently studying everyone in his respective field, it s no big deal to be "educated" nowadays or lets say literate, education Tarbiya is something else .This is not the first time that I notice such and immaturity and carelessness in your wording.The thread on Iran is another example where i noticed your unilateral way of thinking ,your deficiency of seeing the bigger picture and of realizing the implications and consequences of your Assertions.You tend to bring forth a lot of dogmatic affirmations with absolutely no fondness for listening.You use irony and indirect attacks to divert the attention from your lack of argumentation .This aggressive methodology of willingly or unwillingly ridiculing your interlocutor is not from Al Akhlak an nabawiyya ,This is your sister in Islam keep away from such conduct please.consequently your mocking and childish attitude deserves a firm but not necessarily an infertile intended opposition.

Let me give you a brief of example on your answer here,you said the following,
Umm, okay? And the article just proved that it either not legit or completely non - existent.
Did You read underneath that the book was written in 1925...Assuming that the letter in Question is non existent as you so eagerly jumped to highlight out of context.(Hint:The financial bond between the Rothschild and the British Museum is documented history).Apart fro this factual History still tells us that there were two world wars Afterwards and they evolved exactly the way it was described in the alleged letter, between the same adversaries..etc(The same bankers that financed Britain and he US financed Hitler and his dritte Reich, if you don t see that the absence of ideology here is an ideology itself...lord have mercy ).So the least a rational mind can do here is to start asking questions and renouncing it s unshakable position because either you believe it is a forgery and thus a miracle and stop there.Or you go further and investigate the validity of your brothers and sisters concerns with all humility and genuine curiosity in case it is a witness of a scheme as they believe it to be.Let us carry on for the sake of argument and out of your generosity of spirit and mercy.The Same persons that Backed and financed Albert pike the founder of KKK are the same ones today With the Rockefeller and other advocating a world government In print(You don t need to have an audio recorder and be there,Some of them say it openly nowadays..lol) and through organizations like the Trilateral commission ,The Bilderberg Group and the council on foreign relations. A.k.A the House of Rothschild ,They are also the same ones to finance Theodor Herzl the founder of Zionism from who you have a quotation above that portrays in brief the cynicism of his thoughts.They are also the same individuals that backed Hitler as we said earlier we know about the thoughts of this one the name is enough as a description of his moodiness.My questions are:

1. How can there be no Scheme of a Totalitarian World government when exactly the same players are behind every major game in our past and current history?Read David Rockefeller memoirs Ex quotation
""We are on the verge of global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nation will accept the New World Order"

"Some even believe we (the Rockefeller family) are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure--one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it" -Memoirs, p.405


2.How can there be no Evil Scheme if Most of these so called elite members are known for backing such ideologies and like Communism,national socialism,KKK,Zionism, and making huge financial profits out of them?They were behind the Balfour declaration,the Involvement of America into world war I ...etc

Here is a very detailed site with some historical records.
http://www.dieweltderwahrheit.de/0B...ctureshow/Eng/1-10PagesSOS/SOS1Bloodlines.htm

Unless one can refute ,the documented meetings that took place(The famous Jekyl island draft for the Federal Reserve that is ruining the world with Riba by Paul Warburg among other.),unless we can categorically deny how history evolved the way it did with sound proof and detail ...there is no reason to believe that the Existence of a plan to create A totalitarian government is a Theorie.All the reasons are testifying before our eyes the subject of this thread included ,That a group of elite men are forcing us through diverse institutions and corporations with various experimental and pedagogical methodologies to accept the fact of becoming their slaves and subjects of their Sorcerer apprentices.They wanna dictate to us how to eat how to dress(Hijab countroversy),How to think ,walk and talk.They control the medias,the news paper and news agencies like Reuters for example.The same names!. I refuse to be their servant to fall short of being servant of the One,i refuse to be their laboratory mouse.I denounce it.
The social experiment in China under Chairman Mao's leadership is one of the most important and successful in history." New York Times, 8-10-1973. David Rockefeller

Let's be learned people and understand politics, understand history of organizations and businesses. Understand how legislations are passed and who promotes them and why. Who benefits from it? (Hint : Not the Illuminati).
Read about the people who are behind these ideas and how they are profiting from it. It is all very interesting and enlightening
I de be glad if you would share your insight with us on this subjects.There is nothing wrong with it in the political section we are here to discuss and learn from each other,but please this time bring a little more logical argumentation than the behavior you portrayed in trying to completely reject the facts above and dogmatically assigning to them no validity at all.We de be glad to learn from your elaborations on the subjects you are proposing.inshallah

wassalaam
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Asslaam walaikum,

It makes me laugh that we have apologists for the Zionists on a Muslim website.

For those who are American citizens and wish to argue with us...hey folks ..let me put it this way...the Zionists have just taken away your 4th Amendment rights and you are telling me I am wrong..as you justify the actions of the Zionists and their slaves.. ( Congress, Supreme Court, ).

When you walk into an airport anyone that thinks it is necessary for searches for safety...you now have no 4th amendment protection. Way to go.

There were never any terrorists. That is a Zionist plot. Show me a terrorist. Please.
 

BrotherInIslam7

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Assalamu aleikum,

Akhi , i won t grab you from the hand that hurts.But i must recognize that your arrogance and lack of understanding of history is exposing you to much criticism

:wasalam:

Well, I am not the one posting about Albert pike prophesying three world wars years before they occurred. So why do you blame me for lack of understanding of history ?

And how conveniently the letter appears *after* the occurrence of both the world wars. Am I being arrogant for trying to question the obvious ?

Iran is another example where i noticed your unilateral way of thinking ,your deficiency of seeing the bigger picture and of realizing the implications and consequences of your Assertions.You tend to bring forth a lot of dogmatic affirmations with absolutely no fondness for listening

Let's not even go there. I was almost shocked by how much fellow brothers were brainwashed by the Iranian propaganda. Champion of Islam in our time ? You have got to be kidding me. They are killing us by the hundreds, spouting kufr in their books and interviews and shouting curses against us every opportunity they get. Not to mention, murdering their own people in broad daylight and getting away with it.

If you can't understand that they are openly against us. Like recently destroying our mosques., then I can't help you.

Asslaam walaikum,

It makes me laugh that we have apologists for the Zionists on a Muslim website.

:wasalam:

It saddens me that you can't stomach anyone who does not view the world the same way as you. Does this give you the right to call us 'zionist apologists' ?

There were never any terrorists. That is a Zionist plot. Show me a terrorist. Please.

I just hope this is some sort of a joke.
 

samiha

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This is going entirely off-topic and the relevence is quite strange. I won't induce beliefs, if one wants to believe one way then do so - but in general let's concentrate on TTI with relevant issues and solutions - leaving out conspiracy ideas. In general here we do not promote them, and would rather that we stick with the facts that are known and not that which is theorized.

Allaah knows what is true, but ask what benefit will it bring to this website, to us, and to this topic putting these points together. We can't put a stop to all the crazy Zionists in the world, and whatever plots and plans they may put into play ... but let us focus as Muslims what we can do in the situations we are placed in.

Forgive me if this lacks clarity, as I write in a rush, but I just hope it is kept in mind. It is quite disappointing to come back to TTI and see debate over such an issue.

wasalaam
 
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