Blood on cloth to prove a female is a virgin

[alf2]

:salam2:

I googled this question but my results were inconclusive, and a lot of the results came from Islam-hating ignorant folks.

You know the tradition of how when a new wife & husband go to the bedroom to do married things, and the man will bring out a cloth to her parents with blood on it? Signifying she was a virgin?

Is this Islamic?

Its a very inaccurate way of proving it. Since girls can break their hymen other ways, like riding a bicycle. Some women dont even bleed who have a hymen.

Someone please give me some insight.

 

[Seeking Allah's Mercy]

Asalamoalaikom wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuh,

Oh My! Dear sister, this ridiculous stuff is present in the Bible. I remember reading this as one of my first read threads at TTI. Search in Sister Sandra Canada's threads. She's shown the Bible's passages relating to it.

I am not married and don't know much about whatever's related to it. But it's really questionable. What's the In laws got to do with what's between a husband and a wife? I don't know where you got this from? I'm sort of sure that this has NOTHING to do with our deen Inshaa'Allaah!

 

[Perseveranze]

Asalaamu Alaikum,

Uneducated and cultural stuff.

Question

What should a husband do if he discovers on the wedding night that his wife is not a virgin because she did not bleed?

Answered by

Sheikh Salman al-Oadah

Failure to bleed on the first night is not a sign of loss of virginity, nor is it recognized as such in Islamic Law. There are numerous reasons why a woman might not bleed. A percentage of women do not bleed at all. Some women bleed ever so slightly that it avoids detection. Other women have had the most minor of childhood accidents or falls that broke the hymen and causes them not to bleed in maturity, and they may not even aware that such an accident had taken place. Even lifting a heavy object, running, or jumping can cause it to break. Some girls break it through touching themselves. For some women, the hymen does not break until childbirth. We need to know that chastity and purity are character traits that exist quite independently of the hymen’s presence or absence. Allah describes believing women as follows:

“So the righteous women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah has guarded.” [Sûrah al-Nisâ’: 34]


http://en.islamtoday.net/node/1821

 

[ShyHijabi]

Is it permissible for the husband’s family to show the virginal blood?.

Praise be to Allaah.
Firstly:

This is a reprehensible tradition and an abhorrent action. It is not permissible for the husband to go along with his family in this matter or to agree to it in word or deed, for a number of reasons, including the following:

1.

This is one of the marital secrets that are to be kept. Whatever goes on between the spouses in their private relationship, it is not permissible for them to spread it among people or to tell anyone about it?

2.

This blood is not the sign that distinguishes between a decent woman and others, as is well known, therefore the whole exercise is pointless.

Please see the answer to question no. 40278.

3.

If we assume that the husband discovers that his wife is not a virgin, then he is enjoined to conceal that fact and not disclose it to people. What his family are asking him to do is helping in haraam disclosure, not in concealment which is obligatory.

4.

Another of the evil effects of this reprehensible custom is causing anxiety and stress to both spouses, because the husband is rushed into breaking the hymen and the wife may not be ready on the first night, so he may cause her to bleed heavily and cause resentment in the marital relationship.

5.

This reprehensible tradition implicitly accuses the woman of immoral action, as they demand her to produce proof of her innocence.

6.

The least that may be said of this reprehensible tradition is that it is contrary to modesty, because the intimacy that occurs between the spouses should be concealed and it is not permissible to disclose it or announce it.

This reprehensible tradition should be prevented and fought against.

Shaykh ‘Ali Mahfooz (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

One of the bad traditions is parading around the village with the bride’s chemise stained with virginal blood, and indeed the blood of the crime against this delicate organ on the part of that beast who does not remember that Allaah is watching him with regard to how he treats this poor woman at the most difficult of times. When they parade around with the chemise and when the hymen is broken they say words that would shame anyone who has any shred of humanity. This reprehensible innovation has died out among the rich and the middle classes, but it still remains and is treated as sacred among the poor and lower classes. It is one of the remnants of Jaahiliyyah. End quote.

Al-Ibdaa’ fi Madaar al-Ibtidaa’ (p. 265), Dar al-I’tisaam.

And Allaah knows best.


Islam Q&A

http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/120849/virgin%20blood

 

[alf2]

Asalamoalaikom wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuh,

Oh My! Dear sister, this ridiculous stuff is present in the Bible. I remember reading this as one of my first read threads at TTI. Search in Sister Sandra Canada's threads. She's shown the Bible's passages relating to it.

I am not married and don't know much about whatever's related to it. But it's really questionable. What's the In laws got to do with what's between a husband and a wife? I don't know where you got this from? I'm sort of sure that this has NOTHING to do with our deen Inshaa'Allaah!

I have heard such things used to go on in Arab countries. Like people my age had grandmothers or mothers who suffered this. I have always related it to Female Genital Mutilation which is a deviant practice in Africa. Those misguided Muslims think it's Islam, but it's not.

 

[Seeking Allah's Mercy]

I have heard such things used to go on in Arab countries. Like people my age had grandmothers or mothers who suffered this. I have always related it to Female Genital Mutilation which is a deviant practice in Africa. Those misguided Muslims think it's Islam, but it's not.

Ukht, not to doubt you but what you are saying is doubtful even in this case. The Arabs (or let's say almost any Muslim) practising or not, have enough Haya and Gheerah not to discuss this sort of thing about his women with others. Haya on the parents part and Gheerah on the husband's part. We Muslims have a lot of stuff in our cultures that's Capital R ridiculous, but loads of them usually are related to Gheerah and Haya. It is almost IMPOSSIBLE for sucha thing to exist in the Arabs even if they are non Muslims. It's not like them.

As far as I can see, it's the Christians trying to put their filth on us.

Hold on and I'll post what's present in their "holy" book.

 

[Seeking Allah's Mercy]

Aaand here I got it: http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36979

Okay I'm out of here now.

Btw I'm no Arab worshipper. I just find that "hearsay" hard to digest.

Wasalamoalaikom wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuh.

 

[alf2]

Ukht, not to doubt you but what you are saying is doubtful even in this case. The Arabs (or let's say almost any Muslim) practising or not, have enough Haya and Gheerah not to discuss this sort of thing about his women with others. Haya on the parents part and Gheerah on the husband's part. We Muslims have a lot of stuff in our cultures that's Capital R ridiculous, but loads of them usually are related to Gheerah and Haya. It is almost IMPOSSIBLE for sucha thing to exist in the Arabs even if they are non Muslims. It's not like them.

As far as I can see, it's the Christians trying to put their filth on us.

Hold on and I'll post what's present in their "holy" book.

With all due respect, I get the feeling you think I am making this up. But obviously since there are Islamic rulings on this, it has been practiced in the past. I am only going on what I have been told. Which is why I was seeking to get to the root of the issue.

I am not trying to cause waves on TTI, I was only looking for answers to what I was told.

 

[Seeking Allah's Mercy]

With all due respect, I get the feeling you think I am making this up. But obviously since there are Islamic rulings on this, it has been practiced in the past. I am only going on what I have been told. Which is why I was seeking to get to the root of the issue.

I am not trying to cause waves on TTI, I was only looking for answers to what I was told.

*Sigh* I posted before reading the fatwa Sister Shy hijaabi shared. No, you got the wrong feeling. I already said I wasn't saying you were doubtful or not to be taken seriously, but that what you heard was doubtful. May be it wasn't.

I apologise for hurting you feelings. I take my words back.

 

[a_stranger]

:salam2:

Islam has two sources Quran and Sunna, silly traditions and foolish practices has nothing to do with Islam . AlhamduliAllah I have not seen any muslem do such shameless act.

 

[esperanza]

Ukht, not to doubt you but what you are saying is doubtful even in this case. The Arabs (or let's say almost any Muslim) practising or not, have enough Haya and Gheerah not to discuss this sort of thing about his women with others. Haya on the parents part and Gheerah on the husband's part. We Muslims have a lot of stuff in our cultures that's Capital R ridiculous, but loads of them usually are related to Gheerah and Haya. It is almost IMPOSSIBLE for sucha thing to exist in the Arabs even if they are non Muslims. It's not like them.

As far as I can see, it's the Christians trying to put their filth on us.

Hold on and I'll post what's present in their "holy" book.

just to say it most likely does still happen in arab cultrues...maybe not showing the cloth around ,but women of family will go to check the sheets...

and seond this should be insisters section .....why do we have the sisters section

 

[sachin4islam]

Assalamu Alaikum:

I read this in a news paper.

And Sis Alf2 this is a tradition in practice in a Central Asian country. So more of it seems to be a region specific tradition. Islam has not to do anything with such vague traditions.

Regards.

 

[Aapa]

Assalaam walaikum,


No, this does not belong in the sisters section. Yes, virginity for some men is a big deal..that is why we have plastic surgeons...this is simply ignorant.

 

[hana*]

this is far from islam, it is a cultural practice sadly still around in countries like algeria. it is true what Aapa said! this is why tarbiyya, no intermixing and a good family structure is important

 

[a_stranger]

:salam2:

Islam teaches human how to have inner taqwa and how to watch Allah subhanahu wa taala in all that we do: teaches To seek Janna and escape from hell. Yes muslems should advice each other , preaches high morality but should never humiliate others . This kind of practice is humiliation for mankind . It is time for muslems to question those silly traditions.

 

[Sakeena]

:salam2:

Islam has two sources Quran and Sunna, silly traditions and foolish practices has nothing to do with Islam . AlhamduliAllah I have not seen any muslem do such shameless act.

I read stories about some Saudi Muslims that have done this, as well as some Pakistani Muslims. But I think its just tradition. I dunno why it is so important that they have to take bloody sheets to show the hubby's parents. :shymuslima1: Makes no sense, but I understand what you're saying sister alf2. I always thought it was very strange and invasive.

 

[Aapa]

Assalaam walaikum,

That is a good word to use. It is invasive.

Lets not point fingers at any groups of people, please.

 

[Sakeena]

Assalaam walaikum,

That is a good word to use. It is invasive.

Lets not point fingers at any groups of people, please.

I wasn't pointing fingers at anyone, simply pointing out that the stories I've come across were practice by a Saudi family, and another by a Pakistani family..I didn't mean any harm by it.. :shymuslima1:

 

[saifkhan]

as salam 'alaykum

I dont know why it is getting further, where there are clear cut evidences shared by our respected sister?