justoneofmillion
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:salam2:You are not answering the questions akhi....We are talking about an authoritarian monarchy(mulkan jabriyyatan)were the King leaves power to his son regardless of his qualification,piety...etc.,and there is no one to oppose his decision(Rememeber Nuh's A.S son).Where the king,his family are above the law of Allah swt and thus the rule of law is absent,This is the submission to a "man made" and enforced law not the other way around.Where there is no separation of power and independence of the judiciary and the legislator.The prophet S.A.W did not make the difference without purpose in the famous hadeeth below between the Khilafa and Monarchies.
If we say that it Allah swt the Malik then an authoritarian dictatorship has no place in Islam.Mujtahids that retrieve laws from The Book of Allah swt and the Sunnah and try to project them to the social and environmental context thus legislate(Tashrii) are not Mushriks.Under an authoritarian Kingdom a lot of them who have produced fatwas that contradict the government guidelines eventough they were backed by the QUraan and the Sunnah were either banned or tortured in jail. This is what we call separation of powers.And this is why words like democracy disturbs thus some carry on misinterpreting them on purpose.We are not talking about Western democracies carrying the west own ideological background(Materialism,Darwinism,Feminism,..etc) when it comes to men and women for example we are talking about Justice according to the Quraan and Sunnah within our own guidelines and customs,where the rich ,the poor are equal before the law of God as one of few examples when it comes to Hudud...etc .The way you answered shows clearly that You do not understand them with all due respect akhi.Am just talking to you,trying to learn and understand am not arguing.Allah swt is my witness.
Do you guys even realize that you are asking us to participate in a democratic process when you call us to mutual consultation with our scholars in this matter!What about the scholars when they consult with Doctors,engineers and other experts in their fields to deduce laws from the sharia regarding the ever changing circumstances,requirements and challenges that societies go through with time....
Islam believes that the people who are chosen to be the leaders of the Muslims (Ameer-ul-Momineen) should be the most pious among them and ever ready for his accountability . The monarchs, however, were known from history to be the ones who basically ran the kingdom as their own property and tortured and killed people based on their own desire. They are not the ones to be confused with the vicegerent of Allah(SWT)Like Prophet Dawud A.S and Suleiman A.S since those monarchs will be judged much more severely then ordinary people in the hereafter as they exploited their position by their false desires of lust and word domination.
disscussion will follow inshallah.jazakum Allah khair for sharing your inputs
If we say that it Allah swt the Malik then an authoritarian dictatorship has no place in Islam.Mujtahids that retrieve laws from The Book of Allah swt and the Sunnah and try to project them to the social and environmental context thus legislate(Tashrii) are not Mushriks.Under an authoritarian Kingdom a lot of them who have produced fatwas that contradict the government guidelines eventough they were backed by the QUraan and the Sunnah were either banned or tortured in jail. This is what we call separation of powers.And this is why words like democracy disturbs thus some carry on misinterpreting them on purpose.We are not talking about Western democracies carrying the west own ideological background(Materialism,Darwinism,Feminism,..etc) when it comes to men and women for example we are talking about Justice according to the Quraan and Sunnah within our own guidelines and customs,where the rich ,the poor are equal before the law of God as one of few examples when it comes to Hudud...etc .The way you answered shows clearly that You do not understand them with all due respect akhi.Am just talking to you,trying to learn and understand am not arguing.Allah swt is my witness.
Do you guys even realize that you are asking us to participate in a democratic process when you call us to mutual consultation with our scholars in this matter!What about the scholars when they consult with Doctors,engineers and other experts in their fields to deduce laws from the sharia regarding the ever changing circumstances,requirements and challenges that societies go through with time....
Islam believes that the people who are chosen to be the leaders of the Muslims (Ameer-ul-Momineen) should be the most pious among them and ever ready for his accountability . The monarchs, however, were known from history to be the ones who basically ran the kingdom as their own property and tortured and killed people based on their own desire. They are not the ones to be confused with the vicegerent of Allah(SWT)Like Prophet Dawud A.S and Suleiman A.S since those monarchs will be judged much more severely then ordinary people in the hereafter as they exploited their position by their false desires of lust and word domination.
disscussion will follow inshallah.jazakum Allah khair for sharing your inputs
Abu Bakr(RA) had the following to say after he took over the Khilafa:
O Muslims! though you have made me your chief, I am not the best among you. If someone else among you had taken charge of this burden which you have put upon me, it would have been better for me. If you expect that I should rule you just as the Apostle of God did, then I must tell you that it is not possible. The Apostle received Wahi (Revelation) from Heaven, and he was infallible whereas I am an ordinary man. I am not better than you. Therefore, if you see me walking on the straight road, follow me; but if you see me deviate from it, reprove me. If I do right, support me; if I do wrong, correct me. Obey me as long as I obey God and His Apostle. But if you see that I am disobeying them, you too disobey me.
(This is what everybody means by the Rule of Law and the accountability of the Ruler !The Law of Allah swt and nobody is above it).
You have the Qur’an with you, and it is complete. God's Apostle has shown you both by precept and example how to conduct yourselves in this life. The strongest among you all is he who fears God. The weakest among you in my sight is he who is sinful. A people that gives up jihad, loses its honor. Be punctual in saying your prayers, and do not miss them. May God have mercy on you, and may He forgive you all."
There shall be Prophethood (nubuwwa) among you for as long as Allah wishes it to be among you. Then it shall be lifted up when Allah wishes to lift it up. Then there shall be successorship (khilâfa) on the pattern (minhâj) of Prophetship for as long as Allah wishes it to be. Then it shall be lifted up when Allah wishes to lift it up. Then there shall be a trying kingship (mulkan `âddan) for as long as Allah wishes it to be. Then it shall be lifted up when Allah wishes to lift it up. Then there shall be a tyrannical kingship (mulkan jabriyyatan) for as long as Allah wishes it to be. Then it shall be lifted up when Allah wishes to lift it up. Then there shall be successorship on the pattern of Prophetship. Narrated from Hudhayfa by Ahmad with a sound chain as stated by al-Zayn in the Musnad (14:163 #18319) and as indicated by al-Haythami (5:188-189):
Sahih Al-Bukhari HadithHadith 5.79 Narrated byAisha
The people of the Quraish tribe were worried about the Makhzumiya woman. They said. "Nobody dare speak to him (i.e. the Prophet ) except Usama bin Zaid as he is the most beloved to Allah's Apostle." 'Aisha said, "A woman from Bani Makhzumiya committed a theft and the people said, 'Who can intercede with the Prophet for her?' So nobody dared speak to him (i.e. the Prophet) but Usama bin Zaid spoke to him. The Prophet said, 'If a reputable man amongst the children of Bani Israel committed a theft, they used to forgive him, but if a poor man committed a theft, they would cut his hand. But I would cut even the hand of Fatima (i.e. the daughter of the Prophet) if she committed a theft.' "
This is the Rule of Law and the accountability of the Ruler.