democracy or shar'iah: what's a muslim to do?

which is better shariah or democracy?

  • democracy is better for us

    Votes: 2 5.6%
  • shariah is better for us

    Votes: 31 86.1%
  • have both working together

    Votes: 3 8.3%
  • i really don't know

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    36

nyerekareem

abdur-rahman
:salam2:

as election time draws nearer and nearer in America, i often think about how should we muslims, in particular American muslims view democracy. should we support this form of government or should we support the shar'iah or both? would i be a radical if i said that i believe that the shar'iah is the better way or would i be better to believe that the shar'ah law is superior? i ask these questions because i believe that the shar'ah is a better form of legislation. but it greatly troubles me to hear fellow muslims that call the shar'ah outdated, barbaric and oppressive. i can understand that if it came from the unbelievers of islam, but fellow muslims?

i am not asking for my country's government to change to shar'iah law. i have to deal with the laws of the land, but that doesn't mean that i have to believe that the laws of the land are superior. it seems that many muslims are caving in to the ideology of democracy over the laws of ALLAH SWT. actually, i love my fellow American countrymen, that is why i think it's better for them to support the shar'iah. not because it does something good for the economy or any other earthly reason, but because living according to the shar'iah, which entails living according to the qur'an and sunnah takes people that were on the path towards jahannam towards the path of jannah. i must say that i have been guilty of what i'm about to say, but i'm changing that every single day; how can we as muslims, people with the HAQQ, deal with so many unbelievers in our daily lives and not attempt to give them dawah on islam? how can we ask our bosses at work to give us a few minutes to pray ASR and not explain to people why we pray? how can we tell our coworkers that we're not going to lunch with them because we're fasting, and not tell them why we fast? how can some women wear hijab and not tell people why they wear it, when people think that hijabis are being oppressed?

yes, i know that we really don't elect the next president; that it's really the electoral college. but what about our congressmen, senators, mayors and governors? there's no electoral college for them. these people are framing laws that are actually affecting us muslims personally. some of them good and some of them bad, but it would be foolish to stand by and let them vote on things that hurt us here. we muslims here in America are actually the most successful muslims in the world. we are doctors, lawyers, engineers, pharmacists, computer analysts etc. it may make no difference as to who wins the presidency for us, but it does matter when it comes to voting for the other offices because they make the laws, and there are enough of us here to influence politicians to make laws that are more favorable to us. after all it is they that approve war funding and other bills that may make life a bit harder for muslims.

what i ask for you guys to do is this. contact your local congressmen and your two senators from your state and tell them to stop using the " BARACK OBAMA IS A MUSLIM. " fear tactic. every time they try to use it, it is really a slap in the face to all muslims here in America. they are outright telling us to not even attempt to run for public office and that we can chalk out ever running for president. i know as muslims, most of us don't have a desire to run for public office, but it's the fact that they are so blatant to tell us that no muslim can ever have a place of trust here in America. tell these people if OBAMA'S being a muslim is so terrible, then they should just outright say that when it comes to having any political office... muslims need not apply. guess what? they will never tell muslims that. i have no desire to run for public office, but i am offended that they make any candidate that may be muslim out to be ineligible to be a congressman, mayor, senator, or even the president. why have we been so silent on this? we need to tell these people that we do not appreciate them insulting islam or muslims and using us as scapegoats.
:wasalam:
 

palestine

Servant of Allah
Shariah is better. that's is my opinion and i fully believe in it. We have to remember that there is no peace without God's law. Allah swt is perfect, and humans are not. so when we choose democracy which is a man made law over the shariah which is God's law then we are truly the losers. But if we stick with the shariah then there can be no dictatorship, no drugs, no prostitution because allah's law is PERFECT. he has covered all the details in life and we all we gotta do is follow and understand the law of Allah. but if we follow democracy, the man made law then we hit many too many bumps cause people can vote for new laws, and take what they want and leave what they want. by this i mean because of democracy homosexuality is allowed, because of it homosexuals are being allowed to get married, to adopt kids. i get it, they're human beings, but they have sinned too greatly. why? because they are denying the way Allah has created them. my point is if shariah is established it means we will live in peace, we will live in happiness, we will be able to hear the adhan from our apartments with no accusations and abuses. but democracy we can't have our adhan established, because since it's a majority of non muslims- they threw that law out. they sugar coat the words and say their is freedom, when sometimes or most of the time that freedom is actually not there. so SHARIAH IT IS FOR LIFE INSHALLAH. SALAM. AND THANKS FOR THE POST.
 

palestine

Servant of Allah
About congress, they don't want to see or hear muslims. just the thought of having to be around muslims creeps them out. as muslim individuals we just gotta work hard to follow the path of Allah and we will be successful. Hey if they don't want us, we dont' want them either. and brother how many times have we reminded them things that offend us- they just put on a smile and say "we're sorry", when really they're not. so instead of searching an apology from them, we need to move on- get our act together, unite as muslims even in our areas and come together as a muslilm community and nation. we don't need the kuffars sympathy, we don't need them to lift us up, because allah swt is our lord and he is the one whom we seek help from. we need to show the kuffar that indeed we can make a change. but we don't have to tell them every step we're taking. it's our business, our ummah, our time and not theirs. so my suggestion to all the muslims out there would be to unite with each other in their areas, to strengethen the people around them, to help them return to Islam, to donate as much as possible to the muslim countries, to plan ahead and make strategies and then bam! we've got an ummah that is ready to rise once again. so sisters and brothers don't lose hope , and dont' keep telling people what to do, because you must start with YOURSELF first before you can make an army of mujahideen, muimin, salahiin, sadiqin and so on. asalamu alaykum wrwb.
 

Achmat_Samsodien

Junior Member
:salam2:

Dear Brothers and Sisters of TTI!
It's great to see everyone voting so far says Shari'ah is better for us all.
One just needs to study the history of islam especially of the 4 rightly guided Khalifas to know that there is no better way to rule other than by the rules of Allah. Basically man does not know what's good for himself, which is what democracy is, and it is evident in the country I live in, South Africa, as well as in many countries democracy promotes immorality and perpetual sinning :astag:
May Allah guide as and protect us and raise up the Khalifah to guide us in these dark times Insha Allah.

Jazakallahu Khairan!
 

shichemlydia

Junior Member
explanation

salam alikoum,
i will now expalin why shria is the best for us, in fact it is not aoofered for choice, allah swt said in the quran "it is not for beliver man and beliver women to get choices when allah swt decrees something...."
so allah knows everything, he know what is good for us and what is bad for us.
on the other hand, the people who estabilish democracy, are not perfect, and it is a subject of human perception, each one sees his democracy how it works.
i strongly believe that allah make good things halal and forbide bad things, for a wisdom that sometimes we understand and sometimes don't.
wa salam alikoum
 

warda A

Sister
:salam2:

nice discussion
ok i thought that shariah was democracy
the 4 caliphs ruled with democracy using shariah laws
i think the term democracy is being misinterpreted.
or am i only getting confused?
some one kindly clarify
:wasalam:

:tti_sister:
 

IbnAdam77

Travelling towards my grave.
:salam2:

we are humanS who is created by ALLAH as a weak makhlooq...ALLAH (the most merciful) did not let us to be gone without showing the write path...but we are blessed by giving a perfect Shari'ah that will keep us on the path of Jannah IF we follow it...

Shari'ah is given by the one who created the entire universe and everything in it...how can the weak humans can make a better way to follow than the way our creator has shown us????...

the difference can be seen if we have a LOOK in to the world...in US (the country which seems to have the best democracy), can we keep the shops and markets without guards or cameras when we close them for even 5 minutes?...but in Saudi Arabia (which follows Shari'ah in its affairs), shops are left even without closing the doors when ALL the people go to mosques when the time for prayers comes...but NOTHING is lost or stolen by thieves ALTHOUGH it happens very very very rarely...because they know they will be treated according to sHARI'AH IF THEY DO THAT...

wallahi aulam

wassalam

-brother Ibnadam-
 

nyerekareem

abdur-rahman
:salam2:

one of the main reasons why i had started this thread was because many muslims feel that the shari'ah is the right way, yet when they are confronted by non muslims asking them if we believe in america's democracy or not; we sometimes deny the superiority of the shari'ah. many of islam's fiercest critics appear on fox news, cnn and the bbc and they claim that we muslims want to rule the world. a statement that is indeed highly inaccurate. we muslims do believe that islam is the best way of life in the world. we also believe that no matter how sympathetic a person may be towards islam, if that person doesn't say :shahadah: they lose out and their religion will not be accepted by ALLAH SWT. we do not believe that we should dominate the world and enslave other people, but we believe that the world would be better if we were al muslim. that's what the critics of islam don't understand. if you were to ask any evangelical christian if america or the world would be a better place if everyone in the world were christian, he would; without hesitation say that yes the world would be a better place. why? because they believe that christianity is the supreme religion. they feel complelled to preach the gospel unto all nations. that is the same sentiment that we have, to preach the message of islam to the entire world.

statisically we muslims very rarely commit any major crimes here in america. most of our prisons are not full of muslims. and the majority of muslims that are in prison reverted to islam while in prison. but why is it that we aren't filling the prison population with muslims? because we muslims try to live our lives according to the shari'ah. and the shari'ah teaches us how to be good citizens. so why do people panic if we say that it's the best form of law to us?
:wasalam:
 
There are two types of civilizations. One is man-made (Democracy) and the other is divine from God (Sharia), which we Muslims undoubtly believe and should follow.

Man-made systems (Democracy) change according to the ruling parties desires (republicans, democrats, etc). The rules and laws change according to their desires. That is why you have laws being amended and ratified several times. It's like a fad. This is why superheros and movie actors gets played out, because it doesn't fit with the desires of the society.

Islam on the other hand, does not change. Sharia law or Islam does not need to change, it is only Muslims that need to change and reform. Democracy does not work for Muslims. This is why Islam is always reslient towards Democracy.
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Salaam,

There is no choice. We can not by definition believe in democracy if we are Muslims. Islamic law takes precedence over the everchanging goobedy-gook that is called law here. The test is take it to its limits.

Democracy as it is defined and used today is nothing resembling Islam. People confuse the word. America is not democratic.

Please do not make stereotypes. Muslims in America are not limited to the professions you listed. America has it share of poor Muslims. A person's profession has little to do with a person's iman. By stating this the argument becomes strong for the kuffir. It becomes economic. It becomes a class system, a system based on color, and success is limited to money. What is important is the content of your heart. A successful Muslim is one whose heart is filled with love for Allah subhana talla.

Why are you buying into Fox news. Please please please dig a little deeper. Please educate yourself. There is a global perspective. It is all rigged. There are several posts that have links which will show you what is really going on.

As an adult I do not have to explain myself to anyone. This comes with experience. The phrase I am grown is all that matters. As a Muslim I do not need to excuse myself.

Although Muslims do not commit crimes please tell me why the Supreme Court of the US is going nuts about the cases it is reviewing. Who do they involve..Muslims. Have you checked out all the laws in this democracy?

Forgive me but we can not allow ourselves to live comparing ourselves to those who understand us not. We will always be the scapegoats...we threaten others...because we know the Truth.
 

amirah80

*Fear Allah*
There are two types of civilizations. One is man-made (Democracy) and the other is divine from God (Sharia), which we Muslims undoubtly believe and should follow.

Man-made systems (Democracy) change according to the ruling parties desires (republicans, democrats, etc). The rules and laws change according to their desires. That is why you have laws being amended and ratified several times. It's like a fad. This is why superheros and movie actors gets played out, because it doesn't fit with the desires of the society.

Islam on the other hand, does not change. Sharia law or Islam does not need to change, it is only Muslims that need to change and reform. Democracy does not work for Muslims. This is why Islam is always reslient towards Democracy.


Salam Alaikum Humble

I totally agree. Democracy does not work for a muslim.

Salam Amirah80
 

justoneofmillion

Junior Member
:salam2:Here is an excellent book that should give us a deeper look into this kind of matters inshallah


talkislam_2010_700810351


wassalaam
jameel
 

alkathiri

As-Shafaa'i(Brother)
There are two types of civilizations. One is man-made (Democracy) and the other is divine from God (Sharia), which we Muslims undoubtly believe and should follow.

Man-made systems (Democracy) change according to the ruling parties desires (republicans, democrats, etc). The rules and laws change according to their desires. That is why you have laws being amended and ratified several times. It's like a fad. This is why superheros and movie actors gets played out, because it doesn't fit with the desires of the society.

Islam on the other hand, does not change. Sharia law or Islam does not need to change, it is only Muslims that need to change and reform. Democracy does not work for Muslims. This is why Islam is always reslient towards Democracy.

:salam2:

JazakAllah khair.
This thing should not be even voted at all. No doubt sharia is better.
 
Sharia is Satans work. I

f you read the Quran isn a language you understand you will se the sharia is the opossit to Islam. Its old semitic prejudaism barbaric rules.
Witch via the "hadith" and "sunnah" infilrated Islam.

God thing God used the words hadith and sunnah before the "scholars" of satan tryed to theach the false religion.

Peace.


I will still greet you with the Salaams since you claim to be a Muslim.

You speak with ignorance and little knowledge. I challenge you to bring your proofs and evidence and I will bring mine. I extend my hand to you and ask you brother to come out of ignorance. For ignorance is a dangerous veil from seeking the truth.


O Messenger (Muhammad SAW)! Proclaim (the Message) which has been sent down to you from your Lord. And if you do not, then you have not conveyed His Message. Allah will protect you from mankind. Verily, Allah guides not the people who disbelieve.
(5:67)

According to the Holy Quran, we need to follow the way of the Prophet (saw):

Say: "Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger: but if ye turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you. If ye obey him, ye shall be on right guidance. The Messenger's duty is only to preach the clear (Message).
(24:54)

Verily, any guidance other than the guidance of the Prophet (SAW) is misguidance as the Holy Quran states:

“Say: ‘Then bring ye a Book from Allah, which is a better guide than either of them, that I may follow it! (Do), if ye are truthful!’ But if they hearken not to thee, know that they only follow their own lusts: and who is more astray than one who follows his own lists, devoid of guidance from Allah. For Allah guides not people given to wrong-doing”
(28:49-50).

May Allah guide you on the right path. I pray for you.
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Salaam,

Brother Humble One, you have written the Truth with dignity. We are all in agreement about this post. We are always given a choice in this life. We are tested to believe or follow the stray path. As we decide to follow that which is incumbent upon us to follow with a clear heart we have to abandon all other. As we are the ones who vocalize there is no God but Allah...it is His Way, His Path, His Bidding, and nothing else. It is a personal choice we make and we have to follow its path because we take responsibility for our choices.

Funny thing...everyone is one the same page on this post and all of a sudden you get this..makes you wonder.
 
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