Does Islaam allows this???

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Asja

Pearl of Islaam
I donot understand. You seems to be crazy. You are constantly defying Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) and ALLAH (SWT) and yet you are blaming me.


It is rediculous.

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Dear brother I am not going to disscuss with you any more for the sake of Allah because Alhamdulillah I am not used on that and because Alahdmulillah I am not used to have dialouge with some individuals who do not know what Allah s.w.t and Prophet s.a.w.s said for someones speach.And Allah has prommised that we will all respond for our words,Inhsallah.
I am sorry to say this brother,and may Allah forgive me.

:wasalam:
 

zbhotto

Banned
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Dear SISTER;
You can pick up your own fatwa that suits best on your desire. There are a lot of fatwas in the market.
 

abdullah khan

Junior Member
Asssalamu Alaikum

Assalamu Alaikum,
I am not coming this website like as before, alhamdulillah,anyway unfortunetly i just saw a thread and felt bad.
SubanhanAllah,how people are learning islam so long and still ignorant about what Allah azzawajal said in the Quran.
Sister Asja,please Ask Allah azzawajal for forgiveness,i do believe that u are a pious sister,so please don't mix up everything.
Sister war is totaly different sector,it's not like what you are thinking, or the way you want to be, please read about all the battle that happened the time of Prophet(pbuh) and four rightly guided khilafah time.
Learn it from history of Islam,take lession and please don't read Islamic history for entertain.
Allah azzawajal telling us history not for entertain but for take the lession,nevertheless ignorance is a act of Shaitan.
For the sake of Allah,don’t ask any question regarding what u believe.
 

duran

Junior Member
Asalama Alaykum

I felt not to say anything in this threat, as it seems people don't understand each other.

Here is lengthy fatwa, take your time to read it insha allah. from Islamqa.com

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Praise be to Allaah.

Discussing slavery and asking questions about it on the part of those who promote Christianity and try to divert people from following the religion of Islam is something that annoys the wise person and makes him point the finger of accusation towards the ulterior motives that lie behind these questions.

That is because slavery is well established in Judaism and Christianity, where it has taken unjust forms. They have many books which discuss that in detail and condone it. Therefore it makes you wonder: how can these churchmen call people to Christianity when Christianity condones and legitimizes slavery?

In other words: how can they stir up an issue when they themselves are up to their necks in it?!

The issue of slavery is completely different when discussed from the angles of Christianity and Islam, and when compared with the situation that prevailed at the advent of Islam.

Hence we must discuss this topic in some detail with reference to what is said in Judaism, Christianity and contemporary culture on this matter, then we will speak of slavery in Islam.

Many lies have been fabricated about Islam on this topic, at a time when criminals with lengthy track records are safe and nobody points a finger at them.

Islam and slavery:

Islam affirms that Allaah, may He be glorified and exalted, created man fully accountable, and enjoined duties upon him, to which reward and punishment are connected on the basis of man’s free will and choice.

No human being has the right to restrict this freedom or take away that choice unlawfully; whoever dares to do that is a wrongdoer and oppressor.

This is one of the basic principles of Islam. When the question is asked: why does Islam permit slavery? We reply emphatically and without shame that slavery is permitted in Islam, but we should examine the matter with fairness and with the aim of seeking the truth, and we should examine the details of the rulings on slavery in Islam, with regard to the sources and reasons for it, and how to deal with the slave and how his rights and duties are equal to those of the free man, and the ways in which he may earn his freedom, of which there are many in sharee’ah, whilst also taking into consideration the new types of slavery in this world which is pretending to be civilized, modern and progressive.

When Islam came, there were many causes of slavery, such as warfare, debt (where if the debtor could not pay off his debt, he became a slave), kidnapping and raids, and poverty and need.

Slavery did not spread in this appalling manner throughout all continents except by means of kidnapping; rather the main source of slaves in Europe and America in later centuries was this method.

The texts of Islam took a strong stance against this. It says in a hadeeth qudsi: “Allaah, may He be exalted, said: ‘There are three whose opponent I will be on the Day of Resurrection, and whomever I oppose, I will defeat … A man who sold a free man and consumed his price.’” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (2227).

It is worth pointing out that you do not find any text in the Qur’aan or Sunnah which enjoins taking others as slaves, whereas there are dozens of texts in the Qur’aan and the ahaadeeth of the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) which call for manumitting slaves and freeing them.

There were many sources of slaves at the time of the advent of Islam, whereas the means of manumitting them were virtually nil. Islam changed the way in which slavery was dealt with; it created many new ways of liberating slaves, blocked many ways of enslaving people, and established guidelines which blocked these means.

Islam limited the sources of slaves that existed before the beginning of the Prophet’s mission to one way only: enslavement through war which was imposed on kaafir prisoners-of-war and on their womenfolk and children.

Shaykh al-Shanqeeti (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: The reason for slavery is kufr and fighting against Allaah and His Messenger. When Allaah enables the Muslim mujaahideen who are offering their souls and their wealth, and fighting with all their strength and with what Allaah has given them to make the word of Allaah supreme over the kuffaar, then He makes them their property by means of slavery unless the ruler chooses to free them for nothing or for a ransom, if that serves the interests of the Muslims. End quote from Adwa’ al-Bayaan (3/387).

He also said:

If it is said: If the slave becomes Muslim then why keep him as a slave, when the reason for slavery is kufr and fighting against Allaah and His Messenger, so this reason no longer applies?

The answer is that the well known principle among the scholars and all wise people, which is that the previously established right cannot be erased by a right that is established later, and that what came first takes precedence, is obvious.

When the Muslims captured kuffaar, their right to possession was affirmed by the law of the Creator of all, Who is All Wise and All Knowing. So this right is confirmed and established. Then if the slave became Muslim after that, his right to escape slavery by embracing Islam was superseded by the mujaahid’s prior right to take possession of him before he became Muslim, and it would be unjust and unfair to annul the prior right because of a subsequent right, as is well known to all wise people.

Yes, it is good for the master to free the slave if he becomes Muslim. The Lawgiver enjoined and encouraged that, and opened many doors to it. Glory be to the Most Wise, the All Knowing. “And the Word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can change His Words. And He is the All‑Hearer, the All‑Knower” [al-An’aam 6:115].

“in truth” means in what He tells us, and “in justice” means in His rulings.

Undoubtedly this justice refers to owning slaves and other rulings of the Qur’aan.

How many people criticize something sound when their problem is their own misunderstanding. End quote from Adwa’ al-Bayaan (3/389).

Capture of prisoners during war was the most common way of acquiring slaves. Prisoners would inevitably be captured during any war, and the prevalent custom at that time was that prisoners had no protection or rights; they would either be killed or enslaved. But Islam brought two more options: unconditional release or ransom. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Thereafter (is the time) either for generosity (i.e. free them without ransom), or ransom (according to what benefits Islam)” [Muhammad 47:4]. During the battle of Badr the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) accepted ransoms from the mushrik prisoners of war and let them go, and the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) let many of the prisoners go for free, releasing them with no ransom. During the conquest of Makkah it was said to the people of Makkah: “Go, for you are free.”

During the campaign of Banu’l-Mustaliq, the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) married a female prisoner from the defeated tribe so as to raise her status, as she was the daughter of one of their leaders, namely the Mother of the Believers Juwayriyah bint al-Haarith (may Allaah be pleased with her). Then the Muslims let all of these prisoners go.

Islam is not thirsty for the blood of prisoners, nor is it eager to enslave them.

Thus we may understand the limited ways that can lead to slavery. Islam did not abolish it altogether, because the kaafir prisoner who was opposed to truth and justice was a wrongdoer, or was a supporter of wrongdoing or was a tool in the execution or approval of wrongdoing. Letting him go free would give him the opportunity to spread wrongdoing and aggression against others and to oppose the truth and prevent it reaching people.

Freedom is a basic human right which cannot be taken away from a person except for a reason. When Islam accepted slavery within the limits that we have described, it put restrictions on the man who exploits his freedom in the worst possible way. If he was taken prisoner in a war of aggression in which he was defeated, then the proper conduct is to keep him in reasonable conditions throughout his detention.

Despite all that, Islam offers many opportunities to restore freedom to him and people like him.

The principle of dealing with slaves in Islam is a combination of justice, kindness and compassion.

One of the means of liberating slaves is allocating a portion of zakaah funds to freeing slaves; the expiation for accidental killing, zihaar (a jaahili form of divorce that is forbidden), breaking vows and having intercourse during the day in Ramadaan, is to free a slave. In addition to that, Muslims are also encouraged in general terms to free slaves for the sake of Allaah.

This is a brief summary of some of the principles of dealing with slaves in a just and kind manner:

1 – Guaranteeing them food and clothing like that of their masters.

It was narrated that Abu Dharr (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “They are your brothers whom Allaah has put under your authority, so if Allaah has put a person’s brother under his authority, let him feed him from what he eats and clothe him from what he wears, and let him not overburden him with work, and if he does overburden him with work, then let him help him.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (6050).

2 – Preserving their dignity

It was narrated that Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: I heard Abu’l-Qaasim (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “Whoever accuses his slave when he is innocent of what he says will be flogged on the Day of Resurrection, unless he is as he said.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (6858).

Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) manumitted a slave of his, then he picked up a stick or something from the ground and said: There is no more reward in it than the equivalent of this, but I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “Whoever slaps his slave or beats him, his expiation is to manumit him.” Narrated by Muslim (1657).

3 – Being fair towards slaves and treating them kindly

It was narrated that ‘Uthmaan ibn ‘Affaan tweaked the ear of a slave of his when he did something wrong, then he said to him after that: Come and tweak my ear in retaliation. The slave refused but he insisted, so he started to tweak it slightly, and he said to him: Do it strongly, for I cannot bear the punishment on the Day of Resurrection. The slave said: Like that, O my master? The Day that you fear I fear also.

When ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn ‘Awf (may Allaah be pleased with him) walked among his slaves, no one could tell him apart from them, because he did not walk ahead of them, and he did not wear anything different from what they wore.

One day ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab passed by and saw some slaves standing and not eating with their master. He got angry and said to their master: What is wrong with people who are selfish towards their servants? Then he called the servants and they ate with them.

A man entered upon Salmaan (may Allaah be pleased with him) and found him making dough – and he was a governor. He said to him: O Abu ‘Abd-Allaah, what is this? He said: We have sent our servant on an errand and we do not want to give him two jobs at once.

4 – There is nothing wrong with slaves having precedence over free men in some matters

- with regard to any religious or worldly matters in which he excels over him. For example, it is valid for a slave to lead the prayer. ‘Aa’ishah the Mother of the Believers had a slave who would lead her in prayer. Indeed the Muslims have been commanded to hear and obey even if a slave is appointed in charge of their affairs.

5 – A slave may buy himself from his master and be free.

If a person is enslaved for some reason but then it becomes apparent that he has given up his wrongdoing and forgotten his past, and he has become a man who shuns evil and seeks to do good, is it permissible to respond to his request to let him go free? Islam says yes, and there are some fuqaha’ who say that this is obligatory and some who say that it is mustahabb.

This is what is called a mukaatabah or contract of manumission between the slave and his master. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And such of your slaves as seek a writing (of emancipation), give them such writing, if you find that there is good and honesty in them. And give them something (yourselves) out of the wealth of Allaah which He has bestowed upon you”

[al-Noor 24:33]

This is how Islam treats slaves justly and kindly.

One of the results of these guidelines is that in many cases, the slave would become a friend of his master; in some cases the master would regard him as a son. Sa’d ibn Haashim al-Khaalidi said, describing a slave of his:

He is not a slave, rather he is a son whom [Allaah] has put under my care.

He has supported me with his good service; he is my hands and my arms.

Another result of the Muslims treating slaves in this manner is that the slaves became part of Muslim families as if they were also family members.

Gustave le Bon says in Hadaarat al-‘Arab (Arab Civilization) (p. 459-460): What I sincerely believe is that slavery among the Muslims is better than slavery among any other people, and that the situation of slaves in the east is better than that of servants in Europe, and that slaves in the east are part of the family. Slaves who wanted to be free could attain freedom by expressing their wish. But despite that, they did not resort to exercising this right. End quote.

How did non-Muslims treat slaves?

Attitude of the Jews towards slaves:

According to the Jews, mankind is divided into two groups: the Israelites form one group and all of mankind is another group.

As for the Israelites, it is permissible to enslave some of them, according to specific teachings contained in the Old Testament.

As for people other than the Israelites, they are a low-class race according to the Jews, who may be enslaved via domination and subjugation, because they are people who are doomed to humiliation by the heavenly decree from eternity. It says in Exodus 21:2-6:

“If you buy a Hebrew servant, he is to serve you for six years. But in the seventh year, he shall go free, without paying anything.

3 If he comes alone, he is to go free alone; but if he has a wife when he comes, she is to go with him.

4 If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the woman and her children shall belong to her master, and only the man shall go free.

5 But if the servant declares, 'I love my master and my wife and children and do not want to go free,'

6 then his master must take him before the judges. He shall take him to the door or the doorpost and pierce his ear with an awl. Then he will be his servant for life”

As for enslaving non-Hebrews, this is done by taking them captive or overpowering them, because they believe that their race is superior to others, and they try to find a justification for that slavery in their distorted Torah. So they say that Ham the son of Noah – who was the father of Canaan – angered his father, because Noah was drunk one day and became naked as he was sleeping in his tent, and Ham saw him like that. When Noah found out about that after he woke up, he got angry and he cursed his progeny who were descendents of Canaan, and he said – according to the Book of Genesis 9:25-26): “Cursed be Canaan! The lowest of slaves will he be to his brothers.’ He also said, ‘Blessed be the LORD, the God of Shem! May Canaan be the slave of Shem.’”

In the same chapter (v. 27) it says: “May God extend the territory of Japheth; may Japheth live in the tents of Shem, and may Canaan be his [or their] slave”.

In the Book of Deuteronomy 20:10-14, it says:

“When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace.

11 If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you.

12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city.

13 When the LORD your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it.

14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves”

Attitude of the Christians towards slaves:

Christianity confirmed slavery as it had been affirmed beforehand by Judaism. There is no text in the Gospels that prohibits or denounces slavery. It is remarkable that the historian William Muir criticized our Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) for not immediately abolishing slavery, whilst overlooking the attitude of the Gospels concerning slavery, as there is no report from the Messiah, or from the Disciples, or from the churches concerning this issue.

Rather, in his Epistles, Paul advised that slaves should be loyal to their masters, as he says in his Epistle to the Ephesians, where he enjoins slaves to obey their masters as they would obey the Messiah:

“5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart.

7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not men,

8 because you know that the Lord will reward everyone for whatever good he does, whether he is slave or free”

(Ephesians 6:5-9).

In Grand Larousse encyclopédique, it says: It comes as no surprise that slavery has continued among Christians until today; the official representatives of the faith have affirmed its validity and accepted its legitimacy.

… to sum up: the Christian religion approved fully of slavery and still does so today. It is very difficult for anyone to prove that Christianity strove to abolish slavery.

The saints affirmed that nature makes some people slaves.

Churchmen did not prevent slavery or oppose it; rather they supported it, to such an extent that the philosopher saint Thomas Aquinas supported the philosophical view that agreed with the view of religious leaders, and he did not object to slavery, rather he praised it because – according to the view of Aristotle – it is one of the conditions in which some people are created naturally, and it does not contradict faith for a man to be content with the lowest position in life.

Haqaa’iq al-Islam by al-‘Aqqaad (p. 215).

In the Dictionary of the Bible by Dr. George Yousuf it says: Christianity did not object to slavery for political or economic reasons, and it did not urge believers to oppose their generation’s views with regard to slavery, or even debate it, and it did not say anything against the rights of slave owners or motivate the slaves to seek independence; it did not discuss the harm or harshness of slavery and it did not enjoin the immediate release of slaves.

It did not change anything in the nature of the relationship between master and slave; on the contrary, it affirmed the rights and duties of both parties.

Contemporary Europe and slavery

It is the reader’s right, in this era of advancement and progress, to ask questions about the pioneers of this progress and the numbers of people who died because of the way in which they were hunted, and who died on their way to the coast where the ships of the English Company and others would wait, then the rest died due to changes in climate. Approximately 4% died as they were being loaded onto the ships, and 12 % during the journey, let alone those who died in the colonies.

The slave trade continued at the hands of English companies that obtained the right of monopoly with the permission of the British government, then gave free rein to British subjects to enslave people. Some experts estimate that the total number of people seized by the British during slavery and exiled to the colonies between 1680 and 1786 CE was around 2,130,000.

When Europe made contact with Black Africa, this contact led to human misery during which the black people of that continent were faced with a major calamity that lasted for five centuries. The states of Europe came up with evil ways of kidnapping these people and bringing them to their lands to serve as fuel for their revival, where they burdened them with more work than they could bear. When America was discovered, the calamity increased and they became slaves in two continents instead of just one.

The Encyclopaedia Britannica says (2/779) on the topic of slavery: Hunting slaves in the villages that were surrounded by the jungle was done by lighting fires in the straw of which the corrals surrounding the villages were made, then when the villagers fled to open land, the British hunted them down with whatever means they had at their disposal.

During the period from 1661 to 1774, for every million Black Africans who reached the Americas, a further nine million died during the hunting, loading and transportation. In other words, only one tenth of those who were hunted survived and actually reached the Americas, where they found no rest or relief, rather they were subjected to hard labour and torture.

At that time, they had laws which any wise person would be ashamed of.

Among these evil laws were those which said that any slave who transgressed against his master was to be killed, and any slave who ran away was to have his hands and feet cut off, and he was to be branded with hot iron; if he ran away again, he was to be killed. How could he run away if his hands and feet had been cut off?!

It was forbidden for a black man to become educated, and the jobs of whites were forbidden to coloureds.

In America, if seven black people gathered together, that was regarded as a crime, and if a white man passed by them it was permissible for him to spit at them and give them twenty lashes.

Another law stated that the blacks had no soul and that they possessed no smartness, intelligence or willpower, and that life existed only in their arms.

To sum up, with regard to his duties and service to his master, the slave was regarded as sane, responsible and punishable if he fell short, but with regard to his rights, he had no soul and no being, and he was not more than a strong pair of arms!

Finally, after many centuries of enslavement and oppression, there came the protocol to abolish slavery and strive to put an end to it, in a resolution issued by the United Nations in 1953 CE.

Hence their consciences did not awaken until the last century, after they had built their civilization on the corpses of free men whom they had enslaved unlawfully. What fair-minded person can compare this with the teachings of Islam, which came fourteen hundred years ago? It seems that accusing Islam with regard to this topic is like the saying, “She accused me of her problem then walked away.”

And Allaah knows best.

See: Shubahaat Hawl al-Islam by Muhammad Qutub; Talbees Mardood fi Qadaaya Khateerah by Shaykh Dr. Saalih ibn Humayd, the Imam of the Haram in Makkah.
 

thariq2005

Praise be to Allah!
As salamu alaikkum sister. Really, all the people who have been answering you, have been doing it very nicely uptill this point, and you do not take any good from any of them. While they produce you with enough proof, yet you reject. What have you come for oh sister??? Are you trying to push down your own opinions into this complete way of life, that Allah has completed for us. Think before you talk. Do you know better how the life of us humans run, or does our Creator know better. If Allah decress a matter, then it is so. If Allah or the Prophet of Allah salallahu alaihi wa salama has decreed the fact that you can have sexual relations with your slave, then it is permissible. What more is there to debate??? What are you going to say, are you going to say " Astaghfirullah, May Allah forgive you oh brother"??? What are we people doing nowdays, when Allah clearly says in the Quran, to obey Allah and Obey the Messenger of Allah, yet you choose to stick to what your nafs whispers to you. Fear Allah oh sister, Fear Allah! Do not end up worshipping your nafs, by taking your desires superior to the deen of Allah. We are the people who "Hear and Obey", end off. Take it or leave it sister, the evidence is there. Do not lead yourself into your own destruction with your own emotions. Your emotions have no space in the deen of Allah, Exalted is He, far from what the disbellevers say about Him. Stop questioning the decree of Allah T'ala, for none of us can change that which Allah has willed to happen. And stop acting all emotional over this fact, because you can no way change that which Allah completed. Forgive me if I spoke wrong, but it really gets to me when people act like this.
 

Asja

Pearl of Islaam
Dear SISTER;
You can pick up your own fatwa that suits best on your desire. There are a lot of fatwas in the market.

:wasalam:

There is no need for the titles "listen" or any simular, as I decide by myselfe Allhamdullilah who to listen and who not.

I have told you that I do not want to discuss with you about this subject as you do not have enough knowledge and you are acting that you know all about Islam and you understand everything. So respect those who seek knowlege and who want to learn. Do it for the sake of Allah InshAllah.

And regarding the "fatwas" that are in market, you are more than welcome to take them for yourselfe as I do not need them Allhamdullilah.

Yuu should try InshAllah to make your deads and words productive and not descructive.

May Allah guide us all

:wasalam:
 

Asja

Pearl of Islaam
As salamu alaikkum sister. Really, all the people who have been answering you, have been doing it very nicely uptill this point, and you do not take any good from any of them. While they produce you with enough proof, yet you reject. What have you come for oh sister??? Are you trying to push down your own opinions into this complete way of life, that Allah has completed for us. Think before you talk. Do you know better how the life of us humans run, or does our Creator know better. If Allah decress a matter, then it is so. If Allah or the Prophet of Allah salallahu alaihi wa salama has decreed the fact that you can have sexual relations with your slave, then it is permissible. What more is there to debate??? What are you going to say, are you going to say " Astaghfirullah, May Allah forgive you oh brother"??? What are we people doing nowdays, when Allah clearly says in the Quran, to obey Allah and Obey the Messenger of Allah, yet you choose to stick to what your nafs whispers to you. Fear Allah oh sister, Fear Allah! Do not end up worshipping your nafs, by taking your desires superior to the deen of Allah. We are the people who "Hear and Obey", end off. Take it or leave it sister, the evidence is there. Do not lead yourself into your own destruction with your own emotions. Your emotions have no space in the deen of Allah, Exalted is He, far from what the disbellevers say about Him. Stop questioning the decree of Allah T'ala, for none of us can change that which Allah has willed to happen. And stop acting all emotional over this fact, because you can no way change that which Allah completed. Forgive me if I spoke wrong, but it really gets to me when people act like this.

:wasalam:

It should not affect on you dear brother Allhamdullilah.

You understand everything and you do not have questions about your Religion. You are so sure that your iman is strong and that Allah is pleased with you. Allhamdullilah

You only waith for a moment as a moment is life. And you want to use it the best you can. You hear and obey Allhamdullilah. You do not ask anything.

You think Allah is more pleased with one that does not ask than the one that asks.

You think that the one that asks is unbeliever and that Hell fire is promissed for him or her and it does not affect you a loot.

You want Jannah for yourselfe Allhamdullilah and you do not care for others. You think and say:"Many deserve Hell fire".

You sleap in peace and not think a loot about everything that you said but Allah knows and remembers everything SubhanAllah.

You think that emotions are descruction when they are not yours and you do not know how it feels. They are given by Allah and they are just like that strong. They are hard but yet they are a gift. But they are not yours and you do not care. You think only on youreselfe that is what is importante.

You are saying others to Fear of Allah while you do not fear enough and that is why you say this. You think you know but you do not.

You think that emotions do not have space in our lifes, when they are all. How heart will cry for Allah if it does not feel love for HIm SubhanAllah. But yet you claim what you do not know and you are so sure in yourselfe and in your words. You are so sure that you will not respond.

And on the end everything belongs to Allah, SubhanAllah. And last judgment is on Allah. For Muslim is importante to be patient and to put trust in Allah. He is there always and everything will be just fine InshAllah.

There is nothing to worry about

Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar

May Allah guide us all

:wasalam:
 

thariq2005

Praise be to Allah!
:wasalam:

It should not affect on you dear brother Allhamdullilah.

You understand everything and you do not have questions about your Religion. You are so sure that your iman is strong and that Allah is pleased with you. Allhamdullilah

You only waith for a moment as a moment is life. And you want to use it the best you can. You hear and obey Allhamdullilah. You do not ask anything.

You think Allah is more pleased with one that does not ask than the one that asks.

You think that the one that asks is unbeliever and that Hell fire is promissed for him or her and it does not affect you a loot.

You want Jannah for yourselfe Allhamdullilah and you do not care for others. You think and say:"Many deserve Hell fire".

You sleap in peace and not think a loot about everything that you said but Allah knows and remembers everything SubhanAllah.

You think that emotions are descruction when they are not yours and you do not know how it feels. They are given by Allah and they are just like that strong. They are hard but yet they are a gift. But they are not yours and you do not care. You think only on youreselfe that is what is importante.

You are saying others to Fear of Allah while you do not fear enough and that is why you say this. You think you know but you do not.

You think that emotions do not have space in our lifes, when they are all. How heart will cry for Allah if it does not feel love for HIm SubhanAllah. But yet you claim what you do not know and you are so sure in yourselfe and in your words. You are so sure that you will not respond.

And on the end everything belongs to Allah, SubhanAllah. And last judgment is on Allah. For Muslim is importante to be patient and to put trust in Allah. He is there always and everything will be just fine InshAllah.

There is nothing to worry about

Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar

May Allah guide us all

:wasalam:

I am Baffed at what you have all said :|... Did you even understand what I said in the first place :| Emotions after emotions is what comes from you. And ever since when did you Oh sister become a judge that knows of the unseen, to tell people that they do not fear Allah enough, tell people that they do not care about others, and tell people that their imaan is strong. What are you talking about sister??? Asking question out of ignorance, is totally acceptable, but when you know the answer and you choose to be on the ignorant side, then thats where you go wrong. Your emotions are a destruction to you if they are going to take you to a place where you start questioning the wisdom of Allah T'ala. I really do not want to explain myself, I have told you what I want to, take it or leave it is up to you.

I would like to tell you, I am not sure about my words, but I am sure about the words of Allah T'ala. And so is every one else here. All of us here have been giving proofs after proofs, about slavery, and all you say is astaghfirullah how can this zinnah be permissible. You dare to question the wisdom of Allah T'ala oh sister? Then with Allah is your full wage. I hate arguing with people who just come back to step 1, its very annoying, because they tend to hear nothing but what their nafs says.

Just a note, if I did not care for anyone, I would not be here posting replies, I would have done something much more productive. Stop making judgements about other people's life, and start looking at yourself.

P.S I never called anyone unbeliever/kaafir and I have no right to do so anyways.
 

IbnAdam77

Travelling towards my grave.
assalam 'alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh my dear respected ukhti Asja from the land of the great Sahaba Salman al-Farisi

First before saying anything, once again I want to mention that I am not a scholar.

Very truly to say, I have found you as one of the most kind hearted and understanding sisters on this whole website. You search the truth and you try to be away from falsehood. You made so many of us happy by your 'happy thread' which even now I remember and visit when I feel very upset or unhappy. It makes me smile and happy always. :)

You are one of the youths of this Ummah to whom the Ummah is wanted for. Allah (subuhaanahu wata'aala) says in the Holy Quran, ".........This day have those who reject faith given up all hope of your religion: yet fear them not but fear Me. This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion........"(5:3) This ayah is revealed on the day Rasoolullah (sallallahu 'alaihi wasallam) gave His Hajj Khutbah in the land of 'Arafaat.

When something is perfected and completed, nothing will be there to add into that. Likewise, Islam is perfected by the Creator of Heaven and Earth. We are given our own will to choose one from the two paths He has created.

Asslaam-u-Aliakum
Please sister Asja be patience, it may be shaitan whispering you.

"The only saying of the faithful believers, when they are called to Allah (His Words, the Qur'an) and His Messenger, to judge between them, is that they say: "We hear and we obey." And such are the successful (who will live forever in Paradise). And whosoever obeys Allah and His Messenger, fears Allah, and keeps his duty (to Him), such are the successful." [Annoor 51-52]

"And whatsoever the Messenger gives you, take it; and whatsoever he forbids you, abstain (from it). And fear Allah; verily, Allah is Severe in punishment." [Al-Hashr 07]

"It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger, to have any option about their decision: if anyone disobeys Allah and His Messenger he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path." (Al-Ahzaab 36)

May Allah give you patience.Ameen

Keeping the above verses provided by my dear brother Nabeel Ahmed in mind, please understand that Hukum of Islamic matters are taken from Quran, Sunnah and Ijmaa' of 'Ulama respectively.

Therefore we need to understand that some of the Hukums we need might not be their in Quran or Sunnah directly.

As per the question you have my dear respected ukhti, Quran answers that fully. The 'relationship' what you meant over there is clearly not Zina and it is permissible. Inorder to understand Quran, we need to know the explanation of Rasoolullah (sallallahu 'alaihi wasallam) and the great Salafs of the Ummah. There is a Doctor (phd in Usoolul Fiqh) in my place who says Music is permissible in Islam :astag: and says there is no where in Quran saying "Music Is Haram" word to word. That is why we need for Tafsir like how it was needed by the grat Sahaba of Rasoolullah (sallallahu 'alaihi wasallam).

Here I am providing the Tafsir of that Ayah given in Tafsir Ibn Kathir (may Allah have mercy upon him).

Forbidding Women Already Married, Except for Female Slaves

Allah said,

[وَالْمُحْصَنَـتُ مِنَ النِّسَآءِ إِلاَّ مَا مَلَكْتَ أَيْمَـنُكُمْ]

(Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess.) The Ayah means, you are prohibited from marrying women who are already married,


[إِلاَّ مَا مَلَكْتَ أَيْمَـنُكُمْ]​

(except those whom your right hands possess) except those whom you acquire through war, for you are allowed such women after making sure they are not pregnant. Imam Ahmad recorded that Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri said, "We captured some women from the area of Awtas who were already married, and we disliked having sexual relations with them because they already had husbands. So, we asked the Prophet about this matter, and this Ayah was revealed, e


[وَالْمُحْصَنَـتُ مِنَ النِّسَآءِ إِلاَّ مَا مَلَكْتَ أَيْمَـنُكُمْ]

(Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess). Consequently, we had sexual relations with these women.'' This is the wording collected by At-Tirmidhi An-Nasa'i, Ibn Jarir and Muslim in his Sahih. Allah's statement,


[كِتَـبَ اللَّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ]

(Thus has Allah ordained for you) means, this prohibition was ordained for you by Allah. Therefore, adhere to Allah's Book, do not transgress His set limits, and adhere to His legislation and decrees.


Hope this helps in your question my dear respected ukhti. At last but not least, please be polite and understanding like you were before. It will help a lot in understanding the deen of Allah (sunuhaanahu wata'aala).

I truly appreciate my all brothers and sisters' answers and they were really beneficial for me surely. Jazaumullah khairan all. :)

Please any body do not be offended by this post. That is not my intention and I am responsible for what I do and intend.

wassalam 'alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh
 
the thing i never got is what if the slave girl didnt want to have intercourse with her master ...then what??....use of force or something??......
 

zbhotto

Banned
Very disappointing

So many hadiths that tells about to treat with kind, love, care, but still you people continue to point out this things.............Very unfortunate.

Listen to the lecture of Yousef Estates in youtubeislam.com

No matter how clearly you explain with evidences that ISLAM teaches this, disbeliever would say,

1. Okay, yes, but................you know....this hadith say this......they pick up fraction of a verse of Koran or hadith....

If you again expalin with evidences, the disbeliever would again say

2. Okay, yes, but...........

This is exactly how children of Isreal harras Prophet Moses (PBUH). THe same applies to JEWS with regard to Prophet Jesus (PBUH)/
This is rediculus..........
 

Asja

Pearl of Islaam
I am Baffed at what you have all said :|... Did you even understand what I said in the first place :| Emotions after emotions is what comes from you. And ever since when did you Oh sister become a judge that knows of the unseen, to tell people that they do not fear Allah enough, tell people that they do not care about others, and tell people that their imaan is strong. What are you talking about sister??? Asking question out of ignorance, is totally acceptable, but when you know the answer and you choose to be on the ignorant side, then thats where you go wrong. Your emotions are a destruction to you if they are going to take you to a place where you start questioning the wisdom of Allah T'ala. I really do not want to explain myself, I have told you what I want to, take it or leave it is up to you.

I would like to tell you, I am not sure about my words, but I am sure about the words of Allah T'ala. And so is every one else here. All of us here have been giving proofs after proofs, about slavery, and all you say is astaghfirullah how can this zinnah be permissible. You dare to question the wisdom of Allah T'ala oh sister? Then with Allah is your full wage. I hate arguing with people who just come back to step 1, its very annoying, because they tend to hear nothing but what their nafs says.

Just a note, if I did not care for anyone, I would not be here posting replies, I would have done something much more productive. Stop making judgements about other people's life, and start looking at yourself.

P.S I never called anyone unbeliever/kaafir and I have no right to do so anyways.

Why are you “baffed “brother in Islam. I have only passed your own words and the truth Allhamdullilah. They are very clear as the daybreak. For you is not understanding ignorancy. It is obvious that you do not know the right meaning of notation that you are using, but you still decide to use it. Allhamdullilah that I do not need anything from you neither I need an explanation from your side as you are not enough knowledgeable to explain anything on the right way.

I am not questioning nothing I am just asking, How??????? You must understand that this is not the same. When it is so annoying for you why you are westing your precious time brother. It would be better for you to make dua InshAlllah than to “tipe” words of insots to others. Allah will be more pleased with you InshAllah.

You have been posting replies not because you “care” as it is obvious that you do not. It is just that moments like this will be rare so you wanted to use it for your own purpose Allhamdulilah.
Allah is teaching us kindness,so when we are trying to exaplain something we should do it on the nice way to not hurt other feelings,but it seems we sometimes fail in that.

MashAllah for your wisdom and may Allah increase it every day more and more. May Allah open your heart and make it mercifull. Ameen

P.S. You think you did not brother in Islam. But you can not back the time. Everything that you have said is written with ink that can not be delated. But it is fine for the sake of Allah. You are pleased with yourselfe Allhamdullilah.

May Alllah guide us all

:wasalam:
 

IslamIsLight

Islam is my life
Staff member
salam aleikum
I think we have enough replys with fatwas and proofs about this issue ..
Sister Asja this slavery issue was 1400 years ago_Our mind cannot fully comprehend ...
May be its better to leave this issue and move on ...You can try to find more information inshaAllah ..But this thread is becoming an unnesessary debate ...

There are so many beautiful things in Islam to learn and to read ,and study ...Let's focus on positive rather then negative ..

The thread is now closed.

waaleikum salam
 
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