:salam2: Don_Salvatore,
Hijaab is in your Roman Catholic Bible too (Prima Lettera ai Corinzi 11:4-10).
I'm a non- Hijab women
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:salam2: Don_Salvatore,
Hijaab is in your Roman Catholic Bible too (Prima Lettera ai Corinzi 11:4-10).
Don_Salvatore
New Member
Well... That is very true. And my grandmother is Portugal has always used a veil. Although not for religious reasons. Which one can say probably was the foundation for many religious traditions. They were traditions implemented in religion and given religous justification afterwards.
But the bible says much good and much bad. Like any book or way of life. That being greek philosophers or politcal doctrines. What we need to do is stop believing that any one book or thought is perfect and infallable. What we need is to take the best of each and.
But the bible says much good and much bad. Like any book or way of life. That being greek philosophers or politcal doctrines. What we need to do is stop believing that any one book or thought is perfect and infallable. What we need is to take the best of each and.
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Don_Salvatore you have to understand that there are 2 things: Believing and Not Believing. If you believe in God, the Only God and put your trust in Him, you follow what He tells you. If you don't believe then, you take what you like of any other religion or book. The latest is the easiest. But then you have to question yourself about your purpose in life...and take you responsabilities for your behaves.
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Don_Salvatore you have to understand that there are 2 things: Believing and Not Believing. If you believe in God, the Only God and put your trust in Him, you follow what He tells you. If you don't believe then, you take what you like of any other religion or book. The latest is the easiest. But then you have to question yourself about your purpose in life...and take you responsabilities for your behaves.
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Don_Salvatore
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Well... As i believe the creator to be infallable i cannot believe any of the so called religious writtings can be his words as they are first of all full of contradictions and written in human nature and way of thinking.
I would turn your argument around and say that the easiest way is to swallow a religion as a whole so that you youself do not have to think as it is all written down for you by some guys who lived some time ago. No the hard thing is to accept that religion and religious doctrines are man made and that we as individuals have to think ourselves. And take the responsibility when we choose the wrong things. By following a religion you absolve yourself of any reason to reason yourself.
I would turn your argument around and say that the easiest way is to swallow a religion as a whole so that you youself do not have to think as it is all written down for you by some guys who lived some time ago. No the hard thing is to accept that religion and religious doctrines are man made and that we as individuals have to think ourselves. And take the responsibility when we choose the wrong things. By following a religion you absolve yourself of any reason to reason yourself.
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Well, your words were mine 5 years ago. Then, when I started to use my head I choosed Islam.
I know, we can give you lots of examples here, but since I know the way you are thinking now, I just suggest you to read more here in turntoislam. And, for any question, not arguing, I'm here.
Well, your words were mine 5 years ago. Then, when I started to use my head I choosed Islam.
I know, we can give you lots of examples here, but since I know the way you are thinking now, I just suggest you to read more here in turntoislam. And, for any question, not arguing, I'm here. Abdul Hasib
Student of Knowledge
If a stupid psycho guy trys to lay hands on you sister, pimp slap him acroos the face. I also put a self defense video in the sister's section too.
justoneofmillion
Junior Member
the foundation of what
tolerance starts by self criticism and the thought of wishing for the other what one would wish for oneself it is built upon generosity openness curiosity and independence it is nothing new yet you can not await that from what you call Muslim countries if you deny to them their independence by making sure dictatorships stay in power to suit your interests just look at the history of muslim Spain and realize who the masters of tolerance and reason were the west invented nothing new in this field it copied and distorted so do not pretend to hold the exclusivity of the universal values it is a big nonsense
here is a little article with references
Muslim Spain and European Culture
When you think of European culture, one of the first things that may come to your mind is the renaissance. Many of the roots of European culture can be traced back to that glorious time of art, science, commerce and architecture. But did you know that long before the renaissance there was a place of humanistic beauty in Muslim Spain? Not only was it artistic, scientific and commercial, but it also exhibited incredible tolerance, imagination and poetry. Moors, as the Spaniards call the Muslims, populated Spain for nearly 700 years. As you'll see, it was their civilization that enlightened Europe and brought it out of the dark ages to usher in the renaissance. Many of their cultural and intellectual influences still live with us today.
Way back during the eighth century, Europe was still knee-deep in the Medieval period. That's not the only thing they were knee-deep in. In his book, "The Day The Universe Changed," the historian James Burke describes how the typical European townspeople lived:
"The inhabitants threw all their refuse into the drains in the center of the narrow streets. The stench must have been overwhelming, though it appears to have gone virtually unnoticed. Mixed with excrement and urine would be the soiled reeds and straw used to cover the dirt floors. (p. 32)
This squalid society was organized under a feudal system and had little that would resemble a commercial economy. Along with other restrictions, the Catholic Church forbade the lending of money - which didn't help get things booming much. "Anti-Semitism, previously rare, began to increase. Money lending, which was forbidden by the Church, was permitted under Jewish law." (Burke, 1985, p. 32) Jews worked to develop a currency although they were heavily persecuted for it. Medieval Europe was a miserable lot, which ran high in illiteracy, superstition, barbarism and filth.
During this same time, Arabs entered Europe from the South. ABD AL-RAHMAN I, a survivor of a family of caliphs of the Arab empire, reached Spain in the mid-700's. He became the first Caliph of Al-Andalus, the Moorish part of Spain, which occupied most of the Iberian Peninsula. He also set up the UMAYYAD Dynasty that ruled Al-Andalus for over three-hundred years. (Grolier, History of Spain). Al Andalus means, "the land of the vandals," from which comes the modern name Andalusia.
At first, the land resembled the rest of Europe in all its squalor. But within two-hundred years the Moors had turned Al-Andalus into a bastion of culture, commerce and beauty. "Irrigation systems imported from Syria and Arabia turned the dry plains... into an agricultural cornucopia. Olives and wheat had always grown there. The Arabs added pomegranates, oranges, lemons, aubergines, artichokes, cumin, coriander, bananas, almonds, pams, henna, woad, madder, saffron, sugar-cane, cotton, rice, figs, grapes, peaches, apricots and rice." (Burke, 1985, p. 37)
By the beginning of the ninth century, Moorish Spain was the gem of Europe with its capital city, Cordova. With the establishment of Abdurrahman III - "the great caliphate of Cordova" - came the golden age of Al-Andalus. Cordova, in southern Spain, was the intellectual center of Europe.
At a time when London was a tiny mud-hut village that "could not boast of a single streetlamp" (Digest, 1973, p. 622), in Cordova "there were half a million inhabitants, living in 113,000 houses. There were 700 mosques and 300 public baths spread throughout the city and its twenty-one suburbs. The streets were paved and lit." (Burke, 1985, p. 38) The houses had marble balconies for summer and hot-air ducts under the mosaic floors for the winter. They were adorned with gardens with artificial fountains and orchards". (Digest, 1973, p. 622) "Paper, a material still unknown to the west, was everywhere. There were bookshops and more than seventy libraries." (Burke, 1985, p. 38).
In his book titled, "Spain In The Modern World," James Cleuge explains the significance of Cordova in Medieval Europe:
"For there was nothing like it, at that epoch, in the rest of Europe. The best minds in that continent looked to Spain for everything which most clearly differentiates a human being from a tiger." (Cleugh, 1953, p. 70)
During the end of the first millennium, Cordova was the intellectual well from which European humanity came to drink. Students from France and England traveled there to sit at the feet of Muslim, Christian and Jewish scholars, to learn philosophy, science and medicine (Digest, 1973, p. 622). In the great library of Cordova alone, there were some 600,000 manuscripts (Burke, 1978, p. 122).
This rich and sophisticated society took a tolerant view towards other faiths. Tolerance was unheard of in the rest of Europe. But in Moorish Spain, "thousands of Jews and Christians lived in peace and harmony with their Muslim overlords." (Burke, 1985, p. 38) The society had a literary rather than religious base. Economically their prosperity was unparalleled for centuries. The aristocracy promoted private land ownership and encouraged Jews in banking. There was little or no Muslim prostelyting. Instead, non-believers simply paid an extra tax!
"Their society had become too sophisticated to be fanatical. Christians and Moslems, with Jews as their intermediaries and interpreters, lived side by side and fought, not each other, but other mixed communities." (Cleugh, 1953, p. 71)
Unfortunately, this period of intellectual and economic prosperity began to decline. Shifting away from the rule of law, there began to be internal rifts in the Arab power structure. The Moorish harmony began to break up into warring factions. Finally, the caliphs were eliminated and Cordova fell to other Arab forces. "In 1013 the great library in Cordova was destroyed. True to their Islamic traditions however, the new rulers permitted the books to be dispersed, together with the Cordovan scholars to the capital towns of small emirates." (Burke, 1985, p. 40) The intellectual properties of the once great Al-Andalus were divided among small towns.
As the Moors built mini-alliances and fought amongst themselves, the Christians to the North were doing just the opposite. In Northern Spain the various Christian kingdoms united to expel the Moors from the European continent. (Grolier, History of Spain) This set the stage for the final act of the Medieval period.
In another of James Burke's works titled "Connections," he describes how the Moors thawed out Europe from the Dark Ages. "But the event that must have done more for the intellectual and scientific revival of Europe was the fall of Toledo in Spain to the Christians, in 1105." In Toledo the Arabs had huge libraries containing the lost (to Christian Europe) works of the Greeks and Romans along with Arab philosophy and mathematics. "The Spanish libraries were opened, revealing a store of classics and Arab works that staggered Christian Europeans." (Burke, 1978, p. 123)
The intellectual plunder of Toledo brought the scholars of northern Europe like moths to a candle. The Christians set up a giant translating program in Toledo. Using the Jews as interpreters, they translated the Arabic books into Latin. These books included "most of the major works of Greek science and philosophy... along with many original Arab works of scholarship." (Digest, p. 622) "The intellectual community which the northern scholars found in Spain was so far superior to what they had at home that it left a lasting jealousy of Arab culture, which was to color Western opinions for centuries" (Burke, 1985, p. 41)
"The subjects covered by the texts included medicine, astrology, astronomy pharmacology, psychology, physiology, zoology, biology, botany, mineralogy, optics, chemistry, physics, mathematics, algebra, geometry, trigonometry, music, meteorology, geography, mechanics, hydrostatics, navigation and history." (Burke, 1985, p. 42) These works alone however, didn't kindle the fire that would lead to the renaissance. They added to Europe's knowledge, but much of it was unappreciated without a change in the way Europeans viewed the world.
Remember, Medieval Europe was superstitious and irrational. "What caused the intellectual bombshell to explode, however, was the philosophy that came with (the books). This included Aristotle's system of nature and the logic of argument." (Burke, 1985, p. 42) Found among the works were even Arab philosophers' commentaries of Aristotle's views. This "shocked the West by giving religion and philosophy equal status as systems for explaining the cosmos." (Burke, 1985, p. 42) This questioning and the use of logic revolutionized the definition of truth and sparked the renaissance.
Christians continued to re-conquer Spain, leaving a wake of death and destruction in their path. The books were spared, but Moor culture was destroyed and their civilization disintegrated. Ironically, it wasn't just the strength of the Christians that defeated the Arabs but the disharmony among the Moor's own ranks. Like Greece and Rome that proceeded them, the Moors of Al-Andalus fell into moral decay and wandered from the intellect that had made them great.
The translations continued as each Moorish haven fell to the Christians. In 1492, the same year Columbus discovered the New World, Granada, the last Muslim enclave, was taken. Captors of the knowledge were not keepers of its wisdom. Sadly, all Jews and Muslims that would not abandon their beliefs were either killed or exiled (Grolier, History of Spain). Thus ended an epoch of tolerance and all that would remain of the Moors would be their books.
It's fascinating to realize just how much Europe learned from the Moorish texts and even greater to see how much that knowledge has endured. Because of the flood of knowledge, the first Universities started to appear. College and University degrees were developed (Burke, 1985, p. 48). Directly from the Arabs came the numerals we use today. Even the concept of Zero (an Arabic word) came from the translations (Castillo & Bond, 1987, p. 27) . Along with texts, Arabic music spread throughout Europe, giving us the keyboard, the flute and the concept of harmony. It's also fair to say that renaissance architectural concepts came from the Moorish libraries. Mathematics and architecture explained in the Arab texts along with Arab works on optics led to the perspective paintings of the renaissance period (Burke, 1985 p. 72). The first lawyers began their craft using the new translated knowledge as their guide. Even the food utensils we use today come from the Cordova kitchen! (Burke, 1985 p. 44) All of these examples show just some of the ways Europe transformed from the Moors.
Much of what we are today can find it's roots in the once great Moorish culture of Spain.
And here is what is going on today
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buon dia
peace
hi there well a lot of us are westerners dude but we are against the monopole of thought set by some self worshiping individuals that don t even realize the distance between their concepts and ideals and the way they are applied by the way Islam is not a religion it is a way of life get informed if you wish Don so tutto spero che ci cappiamo bene we don t live to please the system and it s prototype Freemason programed masses we have bigger aspiration with less pretensions i guess it has been said 1500 hundred years ago you have your ways we have ours get ride of the generalization of your own ideals westernization is no absolute value look at history it is painted with blood vain and presumptuous speeches the pallet of human thought is mush brighter than that we have had enough of this arrogance tolerance does not mean the convergence of ideologies and the banalization of others just for the sake of doing so we have to deal with facts here humanism must walk out of the papers for the 800 million people on the planet to satisfiy their hunger before going to bed at night but as it seems the whole idea with all it s daily celebration and allusion did not work and is not working for all at least it is a gag an illusion with 80 percent of the world population living with 20 percent of the resources it is not possible for the human race to survive to it s own greed this has not been achieved through this unipolar aspirations in this practice of humanism it looks more like cannibalism since it has been hijacked and self ascribed by the west we have had two world wars the invention of the nuclear bomb and proliferation of nuclear weapons Nazism and Communism with their genocides black people nailed and burned on crosses by the kkk just lately Holland went to throw it s garbage in the ivory coast while NASA is celebrating Africa is starving you should not sublimate your ideals in this contest you can not allow yourself to be satisfied with system without being against humanity you can not celebrate when the battle for survival still sounds crowded this way and most of all you can even less be tolerant if you remain immobilized by this self praising attitude in search for admiration and confirmation this competition is meaningless it can not be substantial if approached from the outside it has to be tackled from within first this is jihaad your own jihaad your own struggle
tolerance starts by self criticism and the thought of wishing for the other what one would wish for oneself it is built upon generosity openness curiosity and independence it is nothing new yet you can not await that from what you call Muslim countries if you deny to them their independence by making sure dictatorships stay in power to suit your interests just look at the history of muslim Spain and realize who the masters of tolerance and reason were the west invented nothing new in this field it copied and distorted so do not pretend to hold the exclusivity of the universal values it is a big nonsense
here is a little article with references
Muslim Spain and European Culture
When you think of European culture, one of the first things that may come to your mind is the renaissance. Many of the roots of European culture can be traced back to that glorious time of art, science, commerce and architecture. But did you know that long before the renaissance there was a place of humanistic beauty in Muslim Spain? Not only was it artistic, scientific and commercial, but it also exhibited incredible tolerance, imagination and poetry. Moors, as the Spaniards call the Muslims, populated Spain for nearly 700 years. As you'll see, it was their civilization that enlightened Europe and brought it out of the dark ages to usher in the renaissance. Many of their cultural and intellectual influences still live with us today.
Way back during the eighth century, Europe was still knee-deep in the Medieval period. That's not the only thing they were knee-deep in. In his book, "The Day The Universe Changed," the historian James Burke describes how the typical European townspeople lived:
"The inhabitants threw all their refuse into the drains in the center of the narrow streets. The stench must have been overwhelming, though it appears to have gone virtually unnoticed. Mixed with excrement and urine would be the soiled reeds and straw used to cover the dirt floors. (p. 32)
This squalid society was organized under a feudal system and had little that would resemble a commercial economy. Along with other restrictions, the Catholic Church forbade the lending of money - which didn't help get things booming much. "Anti-Semitism, previously rare, began to increase. Money lending, which was forbidden by the Church, was permitted under Jewish law." (Burke, 1985, p. 32) Jews worked to develop a currency although they were heavily persecuted for it. Medieval Europe was a miserable lot, which ran high in illiteracy, superstition, barbarism and filth.
During this same time, Arabs entered Europe from the South. ABD AL-RAHMAN I, a survivor of a family of caliphs of the Arab empire, reached Spain in the mid-700's. He became the first Caliph of Al-Andalus, the Moorish part of Spain, which occupied most of the Iberian Peninsula. He also set up the UMAYYAD Dynasty that ruled Al-Andalus for over three-hundred years. (Grolier, History of Spain). Al Andalus means, "the land of the vandals," from which comes the modern name Andalusia.
At first, the land resembled the rest of Europe in all its squalor. But within two-hundred years the Moors had turned Al-Andalus into a bastion of culture, commerce and beauty. "Irrigation systems imported from Syria and Arabia turned the dry plains... into an agricultural cornucopia. Olives and wheat had always grown there. The Arabs added pomegranates, oranges, lemons, aubergines, artichokes, cumin, coriander, bananas, almonds, pams, henna, woad, madder, saffron, sugar-cane, cotton, rice, figs, grapes, peaches, apricots and rice." (Burke, 1985, p. 37)
By the beginning of the ninth century, Moorish Spain was the gem of Europe with its capital city, Cordova. With the establishment of Abdurrahman III - "the great caliphate of Cordova" - came the golden age of Al-Andalus. Cordova, in southern Spain, was the intellectual center of Europe.
At a time when London was a tiny mud-hut village that "could not boast of a single streetlamp" (Digest, 1973, p. 622), in Cordova "there were half a million inhabitants, living in 113,000 houses. There were 700 mosques and 300 public baths spread throughout the city and its twenty-one suburbs. The streets were paved and lit." (Burke, 1985, p. 38) The houses had marble balconies for summer and hot-air ducts under the mosaic floors for the winter. They were adorned with gardens with artificial fountains and orchards". (Digest, 1973, p. 622) "Paper, a material still unknown to the west, was everywhere. There were bookshops and more than seventy libraries." (Burke, 1985, p. 38).
In his book titled, "Spain In The Modern World," James Cleuge explains the significance of Cordova in Medieval Europe:
"For there was nothing like it, at that epoch, in the rest of Europe. The best minds in that continent looked to Spain for everything which most clearly differentiates a human being from a tiger." (Cleugh, 1953, p. 70)
During the end of the first millennium, Cordova was the intellectual well from which European humanity came to drink. Students from France and England traveled there to sit at the feet of Muslim, Christian and Jewish scholars, to learn philosophy, science and medicine (Digest, 1973, p. 622). In the great library of Cordova alone, there were some 600,000 manuscripts (Burke, 1978, p. 122).
This rich and sophisticated society took a tolerant view towards other faiths. Tolerance was unheard of in the rest of Europe. But in Moorish Spain, "thousands of Jews and Christians lived in peace and harmony with their Muslim overlords." (Burke, 1985, p. 38) The society had a literary rather than religious base. Economically their prosperity was unparalleled for centuries. The aristocracy promoted private land ownership and encouraged Jews in banking. There was little or no Muslim prostelyting. Instead, non-believers simply paid an extra tax!
"Their society had become too sophisticated to be fanatical. Christians and Moslems, with Jews as their intermediaries and interpreters, lived side by side and fought, not each other, but other mixed communities." (Cleugh, 1953, p. 71)
Unfortunately, this period of intellectual and economic prosperity began to decline. Shifting away from the rule of law, there began to be internal rifts in the Arab power structure. The Moorish harmony began to break up into warring factions. Finally, the caliphs were eliminated and Cordova fell to other Arab forces. "In 1013 the great library in Cordova was destroyed. True to their Islamic traditions however, the new rulers permitted the books to be dispersed, together with the Cordovan scholars to the capital towns of small emirates." (Burke, 1985, p. 40) The intellectual properties of the once great Al-Andalus were divided among small towns.
As the Moors built mini-alliances and fought amongst themselves, the Christians to the North were doing just the opposite. In Northern Spain the various Christian kingdoms united to expel the Moors from the European continent. (Grolier, History of Spain) This set the stage for the final act of the Medieval period.
In another of James Burke's works titled "Connections," he describes how the Moors thawed out Europe from the Dark Ages. "But the event that must have done more for the intellectual and scientific revival of Europe was the fall of Toledo in Spain to the Christians, in 1105." In Toledo the Arabs had huge libraries containing the lost (to Christian Europe) works of the Greeks and Romans along with Arab philosophy and mathematics. "The Spanish libraries were opened, revealing a store of classics and Arab works that staggered Christian Europeans." (Burke, 1978, p. 123)
The intellectual plunder of Toledo brought the scholars of northern Europe like moths to a candle. The Christians set up a giant translating program in Toledo. Using the Jews as interpreters, they translated the Arabic books into Latin. These books included "most of the major works of Greek science and philosophy... along with many original Arab works of scholarship." (Digest, p. 622) "The intellectual community which the northern scholars found in Spain was so far superior to what they had at home that it left a lasting jealousy of Arab culture, which was to color Western opinions for centuries" (Burke, 1985, p. 41)
"The subjects covered by the texts included medicine, astrology, astronomy pharmacology, psychology, physiology, zoology, biology, botany, mineralogy, optics, chemistry, physics, mathematics, algebra, geometry, trigonometry, music, meteorology, geography, mechanics, hydrostatics, navigation and history." (Burke, 1985, p. 42) These works alone however, didn't kindle the fire that would lead to the renaissance. They added to Europe's knowledge, but much of it was unappreciated without a change in the way Europeans viewed the world.
Remember, Medieval Europe was superstitious and irrational. "What caused the intellectual bombshell to explode, however, was the philosophy that came with (the books). This included Aristotle's system of nature and the logic of argument." (Burke, 1985, p. 42) Found among the works were even Arab philosophers' commentaries of Aristotle's views. This "shocked the West by giving religion and philosophy equal status as systems for explaining the cosmos." (Burke, 1985, p. 42) This questioning and the use of logic revolutionized the definition of truth and sparked the renaissance.
Christians continued to re-conquer Spain, leaving a wake of death and destruction in their path. The books were spared, but Moor culture was destroyed and their civilization disintegrated. Ironically, it wasn't just the strength of the Christians that defeated the Arabs but the disharmony among the Moor's own ranks. Like Greece and Rome that proceeded them, the Moors of Al-Andalus fell into moral decay and wandered from the intellect that had made them great.
The translations continued as each Moorish haven fell to the Christians. In 1492, the same year Columbus discovered the New World, Granada, the last Muslim enclave, was taken. Captors of the knowledge were not keepers of its wisdom. Sadly, all Jews and Muslims that would not abandon their beliefs were either killed or exiled (Grolier, History of Spain). Thus ended an epoch of tolerance and all that would remain of the Moors would be their books.
It's fascinating to realize just how much Europe learned from the Moorish texts and even greater to see how much that knowledge has endured. Because of the flood of knowledge, the first Universities started to appear. College and University degrees were developed (Burke, 1985, p. 48). Directly from the Arabs came the numerals we use today. Even the concept of Zero (an Arabic word) came from the translations (Castillo & Bond, 1987, p. 27) . Along with texts, Arabic music spread throughout Europe, giving us the keyboard, the flute and the concept of harmony. It's also fair to say that renaissance architectural concepts came from the Moorish libraries. Mathematics and architecture explained in the Arab texts along with Arab works on optics led to the perspective paintings of the renaissance period (Burke, 1985 p. 72). The first lawyers began their craft using the new translated knowledge as their guide. Even the food utensils we use today come from the Cordova kitchen! (Burke, 1985 p. 44) All of these examples show just some of the ways Europe transformed from the Moors.
Much of what we are today can find it's roots in the once great Moorish culture of Spain.
And here is what is going on today
Take a look at this tolerance starts with curiosity yet prejudice is ignorance get into yourself listen and think instead of making hazardous statements see bigger the world needs you right now look at yourself in the mirror and do something instead of talking i will do the same you haVe two ears and just one mouth keep them balanced inshallah
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buon dia
peace
MOHAMMEDFALIQ
Junior Member
i have a few muslim sisters here in school...they wear the hijab during school hours and no ones been mocking them or anything actually . THey have alot friends and they dont seem to mine having a muslim friend wearing the hijab. So for your case you live in a place where there not much musims living in .
AND FOR SOME PEOPLE IN THIS THREAD AMERICA IS NOT A RACIST COUNTRY....
YOU WANNA SEE A RACIST COUNTRY GO TO SAUDIA ARABIA ....THE MOST CORRUPTED RACIST MUSLIM COUNTRY THERE IS .....NOTHING AGAINST MECCA AND MEDINA ONLY THE COUNTRY AND ITS RULERS
AND FOR SOME PEOPLE IN THIS THREAD AMERICA IS NOT A RACIST COUNTRY....
YOU WANNA SEE A RACIST COUNTRY GO TO SAUDIA ARABIA ....THE MOST CORRUPTED RACIST MUSLIM COUNTRY THERE IS .....NOTHING AGAINST MECCA AND MEDINA ONLY THE COUNTRY AND ITS RULERS
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asalamualaykum warahmatullah,
From the male prespective the Hijab issue can be similar to the beard Issue.
Both having striking appearences and making one stand out especially in the west.
But we should remember why we are doing it! Yes it is a big step but start off slowly, wear something u feel comfortable in and then move up.
Once you make the intention and you know you are doing it ONLY to please Allah then everything else will become easy.
From the male prespective the Hijab issue can be similar to the beard Issue.
Both having striking appearences and making one stand out especially in the west.
But we should remember why we are doing it! Yes it is a big step but start off slowly, wear something u feel comfortable in and then move up.
Once you make the intention and you know you are doing it ONLY to please Allah then everything else will become easy.
tulipflower777
Junior Member
:salam2:
Assalamualaikum dear sister,
just want to add this thread...
Why Should I Wear The Hijaab?
This is a good question and there is a beautiful answer! Allaah has commanded us with every action that is good for us and prohibited us from performing every action that is bad for us. Allaah orders the Muslim woman to wear the hijaab when she steps out of the security of her home or when in the presence of strange men. So to wear the hijaab is a source of great good for you – the Muslim woman - for many reasons. Among them:
"Their reward is with their Lord: Gardens of Eden underneath which rivers flow wherein they will dwell for ever; Allaah is pleased with them, and they are pleased with Him; this is (in store) for whoever fears his Lord." [Sooratul-Bayyinah 98:8]
May Allah help you dear sister.:tti_sister:
wassalam
Assalamualaikum dear sister,
just want to add this thread...
Why Should I Wear The Hijaab?
This is a good question and there is a beautiful answer! Allaah has commanded us with every action that is good for us and prohibited us from performing every action that is bad for us. Allaah orders the Muslim woman to wear the hijaab when she steps out of the security of her home or when in the presence of strange men. So to wear the hijaab is a source of great good for you – the Muslim woman - for many reasons. Among them:
- You please Allaah. You are obeying the commands of your Lord when you wear the hijaab and you can expect great rewards in return.
- It is Allaah’s protection of your natural beauty. You are too precious to be "on display" for each man to see.
- It is Allaah’s preservation of your chastity.
- Allaah purifies your heart and mind through the hijaab.
- Allaah beautifies your inner and outer countenance with hijaab. Outwardly your hijaab reflects innocence, purity, modesty, shyness, serenity, contentment and obedience to your Lord. Inwardly you cultivate the same.
- Allaah defines your femininity through the hijaab. You are a woman who respects her womanhood. Allaah wants you to be respected by others, and for you to respect yourself.
- Allaah raises your dignity through the hijaab. When a strange man looks at you, he respects you because he sees that you respect yourself.
- Allaah protects your honour 100% through your hijaab. Men do not gaze at you in a sensual way, they do not approach you in a sensual way, and neither do they speak to you in a sensual way. Rather, a man holds you in high esteem and that is just by one glance at you!
- Allaah gives you nobility through the hijaab. You are noble not degraded because you covered not naked.
- Allaah demonstrates your equality as a Muslim woman through the hijaab. Your Lord bestows upon you equal worth as your male counterpart, and gives you a host of beautiful rights and liberties. You express your acceptance of these unique rights by putting on the hijaab.
- Allaah defines your role as a Muslim woman through the hijaab. You are a someone with important duties. You are a reflection of a woman of action not idle pursuits. You display your sense of direction and purpose through your hijaab. You are someone that people take seriously.
- Allaah expresses your independence through the hijaab. You are stating clearly that you are an obedient servant of the Greatest Master. You will obey no one else and follow no other way. You are not a slave to any man, nor a slave to any nation. You are free and independent from all man-made systems.
- Allaah gives you the freedom of movement and expression through the hijaab. You are able to move about and communicate without fear of harassment. Your hijaab gives you a unique confidence.
- Allaah wants others to treat you – a Muslim woman - with kindness. And the hijaab brings about the best treatment of men towards you.
- Allaah wants your beauty to be preserved and saved for just one man to enjoy – your husband.
- Allaah helps you to enjoy a successful marriage through wearing hijaab. Because you reserve your beauty for one man alone, your husband’s love for you increases, he cherishes you more, he respects you more and he honours you more. So your hijaab contributes to a successful and lasting marriage relationship.
- Allaah brings about peace and stability in the society through the hijaab! Yes this is true! Men do not cause corruption by forming illegal relationships because you - the Muslim woman - calm their passions. When a man looks at you, he feels at ease, not tempted to fornicate…
- So a Muslim woman in hijaab is dignified, not dishonoured, noble, not degraded, liberated, not subjugated, purified, not sullied, independent, not a slave, protected, not exposed, respected, not laughed at, confident, not insecure, obedient, not a sinner, a guarded pearl, not a prostitute…
- Dear Muslim sister! Come towards the gates of Paradise with us! Fulfill your duties towards Allaah, put on your adornment - put on your hijaab, and race towards Jannah (Paradise) by doing all good actions. You should agree by now that wearing hijaab is extremely beneficial – it must be - because Allaah only commands what is good…
"Their reward is with their Lord: Gardens of Eden underneath which rivers flow wherein they will dwell for ever; Allaah is pleased with them, and they are pleased with Him; this is (in store) for whoever fears his Lord." [Sooratul-Bayyinah 98:8]
May Allah help you dear sister.:tti_sister:
wassalam
ShahnazZ
Striving2BeAStranger
You're in an Islamic Forum. All the Muslims here believe Allah's Book to be the Quran and His Book IS Perfection. Thus, I suggest you either show some respect for this belief of ours and stop speaking about some false imperfection of the Quran or start preaching elsewhere. Whether you're offended or not, you should realize that without respect for our beliefs no one will take you seriously.
Don_Salvatore
New Member
justoneofmillion... By experience I know that people who cannot write post that are short and need to slam out page efter page are not worthy of my attention. I have skimmed some of it and is as it always is fanatical nonsense... If you wish to debate make it short.... Or keep it to yourself. With that cleared I look forward to take one issue at a time.
"Take a look at this tolerance starts with curiosity yet prejudice is ignorance get into yourself listen and think instead of making hazardous statements see bigger the world needs you right now look at yourself in the mirror and do something instead of talking i will do the same inshallah"
Well... What a finish after your puking out how much? It does not give you much credit in my eyes friend.
MOHAMMEDFALIQ.... Well.. Even though you are right about Saudi Arabia racism exists everywhere. And then... What do you think would change in Saudia Arabia if the rulers were changed? I would fear that even more radical rulers would take over. As i fear for most muslim countries. Tolerance is not a trait of muslim countries and neither is individual freedom and it seems that the more fantical branches of Islam are on the rise everywhere. This is a problem for the whole world. For as one can see christians also tend to turn to fanatical belief when confronted with the barbarism of Islam. Can one blaime them?
And another thing... Out of respect for others you might consider using smaller letters... It does not credit you or your intellect... Actually... It makes one think quite negative thoughts whatever you write
"Take a look at this tolerance starts with curiosity yet prejudice is ignorance get into yourself listen and think instead of making hazardous statements see bigger the world needs you right now look at yourself in the mirror and do something instead of talking i will do the same inshallah"
Well... What a finish after your puking out how much? It does not give you much credit in my eyes friend.
MOHAMMEDFALIQ.... Well.. Even though you are right about Saudi Arabia racism exists everywhere. And then... What do you think would change in Saudia Arabia if the rulers were changed? I would fear that even more radical rulers would take over. As i fear for most muslim countries. Tolerance is not a trait of muslim countries and neither is individual freedom and it seems that the more fantical branches of Islam are on the rise everywhere. This is a problem for the whole world. For as one can see christians also tend to turn to fanatical belief when confronted with the barbarism of Islam. Can one blaime them?
And another thing... Out of respect for others you might consider using smaller letters... It does not credit you or your intellect... Actually... It makes one think quite negative thoughts whatever you write
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:ma: :tti_sister:
I do agree 100% with you sister. He(IGNORANT) has to go!!!
:ma: :tti_sister:
I do agree 100% with you sister. He(IGNORANT) has to go!!!
sorry was just wondering if you're Muslim or not? Any way the answer to your iresponsable comments are:
How you can say america is not racist? Tousand of Muslims are in jails, without committing any crime. Their only crime is to being Muslim!
Secondly, you say Saudia is racist, so my answer to you is: Me too, I'm very Racist to Every Muslim who do not follow Qur'an & Hadiths, or they are the enemies of Islam and being SOLD to fashist and terroriste american and isralien. OK
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How you can say america is not racist? Tousand of Muslims are in jails, without committing any crime. Their only crime is to being Muslim!
Secondly, you say Saudia is racist, so my answer to you is: Me too, I'm very Racist to Every Muslim who do not follow Qur'an & Hadiths, or they are the enemies of Islam and being SOLD to fashist and terroriste american and isralien. OK
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justoneofmillion
Junior Member
i can tell you see the acceptance of differences only as a one way street, from the other side, the "Western side", there is only the demand of complete assimilation You are a very uneducated person and you have no manners!what a perfect example of tolerance you have a very polarizing discourse of once upon a time that you can not afford any longer if you mind being realistic..and avoid wishful thinking..
that being fairly said i did not ask you to argue was giving you facts and i do not need your credit got it from my creator i need it certainly less after seeing you attitude and yes i can say alhamdulillah got the benefit of the doubt from my creator from day one do not need to be born in sin and pay for others crimes and carry the burden the same way it has inevitably remained in your subconsciousness when you deal with others than yourself as it clearly appears in your tendency of generalizing but one can tell where it digs it s roots from no wonder!! the world is not black or white get used to it get educated and deal with facts do not resolve to personal attacks and abstract Proselytism when you are unable to if you can t or don t want to rigorously comment better ignore or keep mum we are not here to argue just for the sake of argument
And by the way are you a Muslim or a Muslim woman? no!! then how can you pretend to tell one how to dress! what is it going to be neXt time about make up and cooking man you are sliding the wrong way a little and in all fields as i see you don t even know to what side of the church you are heading to individual freedom or police state but that is part of the game i guess again wish full thinking..you are nothing but a sheep you have no choice we do!!
but as faith is wide so must patience be .... there is no uniqueness in your approach as i have noticed most of the prototype individuals of your kind tend to have some sort of what i would describe as a very feminine approach towards Islam as it is microscopically observing and analising them from every angle at the beginning they empty their bag just for the sake of doing so and do not necessarily long for advice they are too busy poring their little hearts bashing and complaining they fuss and fight through the rainbow of their emotions between hope and fear aggressivity and reason anxiety and reassurance eager to throw their difences down in such a seemingly gracious but crude fashion in a temporarily fulfilling manner to fall in love with what they first got whispered by realizing that their resistance only kept them losing time to end up earlier in hell it is a magnificent but saddening and fatalistic spectacle to observe take look at Dom Juan by Moliere it is a very amusing piece you should learn a lot about your current state of mind to gain time maybe and a little relativism if you are vivid enough by getting less arrogant of course because truth is no trendy illusion it is a never subject to merchandising please for intelligence s sake think after you get out of the bathroom not before it should keep you humble and balanced you are nothing but a little worm in this creation confusingly jumping from one foot to another through the unknown future in your helpless but so arrogant walk already as i see life is ready to teach you more than this don t try to run faster than your own bottom you are nothing but a joke in your self imposed theater of the absurd you assign roles to everybody and find comfort in chaos and anarchy in deviating and tickling yourself with the feather of your self destructive mind!!!know that the way of your lord is straight and that every time you breathe you are one breath closer to death
If Islam means the submission under the will of god then we all live and die in Islam
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
peace and keep focused
seeking_peace1
Your Sister in Islam
Chilllllllll!
:salam2:comon people chill chill chill.calmmmmmmmmm down!!!
especially my brothers in Islam you shoudn't bo so intolerable towards eachother.we are followers of a Deen so perfect purely based on tolerance and ehsaan.america or sa: Islam is not confined by boundaries.good and bad people are found every where.it has got nothing to do with your geogrphical location.
and don learn to respect.you hold your right to your views but don't shove it on others.if you think muslims are this or that then what the hell are you doing on this site go to some of your type.one of the basics of mannerisms is whether you know anything or not about another religion,culture,traditions is to RESPECT!!!
read more in to the teachings of Islam,Islam is perfect muslims are not,or mend your ways.
:salam2:comon people chill chill chill.calmmmmmmmmm down!!!
especially my brothers in Islam you shoudn't bo so intolerable towards eachother.we are followers of a Deen so perfect purely based on tolerance and ehsaan.america or sa: Islam is not confined by boundaries.good and bad people are found every where.it has got nothing to do with your geogrphical location.
and don learn to respect.you hold your right to your views but don't shove it on others.if you think muslims are this or that then what the hell are you doing on this site go to some of your type.one of the basics of mannerisms is whether you know anything or not about another religion,culture,traditions is to RESPECT!!!
read more in to the teachings of Islam,Islam is perfect muslims are not,or mend your ways.
Libinette
Umm Zubayr
You are brain washed or maybe your Xmas turkey was poisoned.
No need to say such things brother..especially when you know that the brother is Muslim..please refrain fro such language in the future..God bless you
YOU'RE RIGHT BROTHER, BUT PLEASE DON'T FORGET TO CONDEMN ANY IRESPONSIBLE COMMENTS WHICH ARE AGAINST THE TEACHIN OF ISLAM!
ALSO IS NOT ENOUGH TO BE MUSLIM BY NAME, WE SHOULD BE MUSLIM BY DOING OR SAYING WHAT ISLAM TEACHED US, NOTHING ELSE.
JAZAK ALLAH