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    aslam o aliakum wr wb :) May the peace and rahmah and blessing of Allah be on u

    Akhi the question was about living things, like the pic said there are million of monkeys, billions of humans where is the middle one? shudn't they be found in millions too so we see the 100% transition going on, and i know u study science shud human have evolved into something as well, maybe eventually gills due to the raise in oceans due to global warming?

    and u skipped my question on mDNA, anywayz there are my reasons and Allah (swt) knows best :) what u answer now is for the audience i think i made my point across Alhumdulilah
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    Assalamua`alaykum wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuh,

    I have been following this thread and other threads of yours for sometime but I only feel the need to respond now after seeing how the flow is going. Which to me isn't much of a positive flow, to be honest.

    Your question has been answered clearly in the Qur`an.

    "O mankind, indeed We have created you from male and female and made you peoples and tribes that you may know one another. Indeed, the most noble of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Acquainted." [49:13]

    Brother, I must say to you that there is *no one* in this forum that believes we human comes from apes. That we human being evolved from apes. Because it is written crystal clear (again) in the Qur`an that we human beings come from Adam alayhi salaam and that Allaah Himself created Adam. So no, we do not come from apes. If we evolved from apes, what makes us any difference from animals?

    Now, before you start passing the labels as everyone being ignorant or lying just because some doesn't approve sciences that are against the Qur`an, I want to ask you again even though some already asked you before: Do you take the Qur`an as the final Words from Allaah subhanahu wa Ta`ala? Then do you reject the fact that we all come from Adam alayhi salaam?

    Brother, just a sincere piece of advice. Why don't you focus your energy on learning and understanding the fundamentals of Islaam? The topics on aqeedah, feqah, i`badah, tazkiyah etc. I'm not saying you have to abandon science completely. Do both but prioritize more on the deen. One of the reasons members aren't that much preoccupied with the sciences theories/facts/findings is because we are all trying to dedicate ourselves to the deen by doing that which bring us closer to Allaah. Learning His Deen while struggling with our life in this world.

    I think this fatwa is significant for everyone to read.

    http://www.aqidah.com/creed/article...y-forces-and-the-creation-of-man---part-4.cfm

    Please do read it with an open heart and may Allaah light up our heart with the true knowledge, inshaa Allaah.

    Wa`alaykum as-salaam wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuh.
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    You seem like a well educated man so finding the answers should not be too difficult for you if you seek.
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    What you going to do? throw your coconut out of the tree and leave Islam again? grow up and accept that others have different views to yours.

    If you know as much as you claim about science then you should know that islam taught science to excel.
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    Science is not my field im afraid so i cant really discuss much about it,but i know im not from an Ape,even a monkey will tell you that.
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    Funny!

    Ape has evolved into humans according to you yet your brain refuses to evolve,comical.
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    Not ape for sure.
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    AssalaamuAlaikum..

    Cut it out you two.. Its like watching two little kids fight over who wants to have the final scoop of ice-cream.. Respect eachother's view and move on.. For the sake of Allah(SWT)
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    I think you should jog on you idiot,you causing trouble with me and scotty via Rep comments which have just exposed you for what you are.
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    aslam o aliakum wr wb :)

    u made me smile aapaa :) thats pluto ,

    plato was actually a greek philosopher, he came up with alot of sceintific theories and stuff


    @scotty, brother look the thing is you are taking this very personally, im sorry but there are other members have who have interest in science and have studied at good universities, and we know what is true and whats not, scientific theories comes and go but the word of Allah (swt) is absolute and eternal. And not just that many non muslims who have PHD's and are professors are high level universities don't believe in evolution the way you are presenting, this doesn't mean just cause we don't agree with you we are living in the dark ages.
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    Logic:
    When everything else fails, Either one uses the gifted mind to ignore. Or (if weaker), One uses the ignore button in forum software to ignore. If neither, its a tragic use of logic. To apply patience, is good ....

    And well did you know English is a language with most synonyms... Maybe thats the reason nowadays confusion is more!
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    Listen soft lad, give you head a wobble,man has never been to the depths of he oceans yet he has stepped foot on the Moon?.

    There is me thinking your a geek in science.

    I can hear a van pulling up carrying men in white jackets to take you away.
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    Would take the clown car to be honest,more fun.

    Any road so exactly how deep have we gone to the depths of the oceans?
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    A fictional book too.

    Thought it was 20,000?
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    It is sad knowing that you uphold science more than the words of Allaah. You have simply ignored the question about Adam alayhi salaam just so that you can hold to your belief that humans come from apes. Every sane Muslim will never believe that.

    I never lie when it comes to matters of the deen. I would never have the guts. The punishment of lying in the name of Allaah and the Prophet :saw2: itself should make us shivers and think thrice if not twice before saying anything.

    Also, you seem to lack the manners in addressing to another Muslim.

    Wow. Do you even know who the scholars I posted are? Then what gives you the authority to slander them? May Allaah forgives you, brother. You have just slander against scholars whom the Prophet :saw2: said are the inheritors of them. Inheritor of the Prophets. Does that sound like a very huge responsibility and honour there to you?

    No, I will not. I will only lose my children when Allaah are taking them back to Him. Because all in this world belongs to Him and will eventually return to Him. Everything.

    It seems like my advice means nothing to you. I really do feel sorry, brother. Your obsession towards science has cloud your judgment on many things when it comes to faith. You simply disregard the scholars just because you believe you are more intelligent in science than everyone. You ignore the advice of another Muslim because you love science more than anything.

    Yeah, OK. So everyone on this forum will live in dark ages while only you live in an advanced century. I see too much arrogance up there. Wa naothobillaah.

    You can be a geek whatsoever, but never let it closes your heart from His Light. Seek help and strengths from Allaah, brother. Humble yourself in front of Your Creator. So that whatever knowledge that He gave you, it is to bring you closer to Him, not further from Him.

    This thread isn't befitting anymore from the way people converse here. When there is lack of adaab and people start talking from their desires, insulting one another, even the truth that's being conveyed can be lost along the way.

    I don't see any reason for it to remain open.

    May Allaah guide us to the knowledge that only will benefit us in the world and the Hereafter.

    Was-salaam.
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    aslam o aliakum wr wb

    I say alot more things to you, but unfortunately it places us on the same level then, but i have to correct you on something; Exalted is Allah (swt) above all the absolute and Eternal

    Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?

    Quran 21:30

    walaikum salam wr wb
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    I'll throw my two cents in, I have no issues with believing in Evolution and Allah (swt) at all.
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    But do they admit that they believe humans evolved from apes and that we don't come from Adam alayhi salaam? I highly doubt that.

    Nevertheless, despite the arguments arise and your inappropriate words, I wish you well, brother. I hope you stick to being a Muslim, not because of the people but because you know it is the only true religion. Have a safe journey in your life.

    Wa`alaykum as-salaam wa rahmatullah.

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