Is it really her conviction?!!!

[alkathiri]

:salam2:

Abu Hanifa says in Al-Fiqh Al-Akbar about the qualities of God:

“He has a hand, a face, and a self. So what He, High is He, mentions in the Qur’an of the mention of the face, hand, and self, they are all attributes of His with no modality (or description).

It is not said that His hand is His power or His blessing, since such would be a nullification of the attribute. And such is the statement of the People of Qadar and ‘Itizaal.[8]

Rather, His hand is His attribute with no modality (or description). And His anger and His satisfaction are two of His attributes with no modality (or description)…”

One must first understand that by virtue of the fact that the book – Al-Fiqh Al-Akbar - is considered to be the first book written in the time of the Taabi’een on the topic of Tawheed in an organized and methodical fashion during an age of great controversy when Sunnis were attempting to codify the orthodox creed of Muslims that there will be statements found in it that may be problematic.

If anyone wants more info , read up Imam Abu Hanifa's (RA) book Al-fiqh Al-akbar

 

[Imad]

Assalmoelaikoem warahmatullahi wbarakatuh,

Sister Oum Yaquine,

I'am also able to say, he is right , she is right , they are right, you are right, we are right. It's very easy to say this.

But instead of saying this, it's better to give an explanation.

Insha Allah we will start with salafi and ahlu sunna

Ahlu sunna = The people who follow the sunna
Salafies= The people who follow the islam upon understanding of the salaf- esalih

The companions of our prophet Sallalahu 3alaihi wassalem are people of the sunna, because they followed our prophet Muhammed Sallalahu 3aleihi wassalem.

So salafies = ahlu sunna

But if you disagree with me, give me your explanation.

I believe in the attributes of Allah. Allah has a Face, Allah has a Hand etc...

I believe in what is mentioned in the sunna and in the Quraan. I'am a salafi, i am from ahlu sunna.

now i want to know from you, are you a salafi?

Wassalamoalaikoem warahmatullahi wbarakatuh,

Imad

 

[AbuKhalid]

Jazakallah Kheir Brother Imad, I agree with you.

If you go around and ask, a shia will say he's Muslim, a sufi will say he's Muslim, a Qadiani/ ahmedi. a qur'aniya will say same etc... not only that but the last sufi I spoke to said he's from the ahl as sunnah wal jamaa't and yet he celebrated different innovations among other things.

So I ask all of you ... is your understanding of Islam ( i.e are you Muslim) like that Shi'a?? or like that sufi ?? or like the khawaarij??

So what is your understanding of Islam? Is it according to what the Prophet pbuh and his companions are upon, as well as thier students and thier followers (i.e taabe'in and taab taba'een)? Then you are following the salaf as saliheen ... i.e you are a salafi muslim unlike the shia alawis who believe in God's incarnation

The term Muslim only was used before the fitna started when people became apostates, khawaarij and shi'as. But if you look into history, those imaams who preserved the true teachings of the prophet (saheeh ahadeeth) were called Ahlul hadeeth. So Ahulul hadeeth = Ahl us sunna = salafi, same thing but it helps clarify your understanding of religion. You do not neeed to go around shouting "i'm salafi" ... all i'm saying is that this term seperates you from the mubtadi' and the hizbee, and lets the other person know exatly your position on Islam.

Let me also mention that our salaf include Al haafiz al baghawee, al qaahi 'eyaad, imaam an nawawi, shaikhul islam ibn taymiyya, Ibnul Qayyim, Al haafiz al Iraqee, Al haafiz Ibnu hajar, as-suyutee may Allah have mercy on them all. And you should know that the sufi dislike shaikhul Islam because he worked really hard to remove bid'ah and shirk from the Muslim population, so the sufi call him "shaikh al shaytaan" ! :astag:


Among our taabe'in and taab at tabeein are Ibnu Seereen, Al Awzaa'e, Imaam Abu Haneefa, Az Zuhri Imaam Maalik ibn Anas, Muhammad Ibnul Hassan ... may Allah have mercy on them all.

A note here: Muhammad Ibnul Hassan was the student of Imaam Abu haneefa and later, he was also a student of Imaam maalik. Imaam Maalik had also Imaam al shaafeei as his student. Later, Muhammad ibn al hassan became the teacher of Imaam shaafeei. The students of Imaam shafeei include Imaam Ahmad ibn Hanbal and Sufyaan at thawree. Remmeber this! Use them as our example because of the great lesson and wisdom in it!

 

[farhopes]

Two points to make:

1. The fact remains that there are several sects adhered to by Muslims, all convinced they represent Islam. No one has the right to dismiss other sects interpretation of the Quran and the Sunna as only God knows the truth. Followers of each sect did their own due diligence (Ijtihad) to understand God's message and arrived at different conclusions. Who's to say theirs is wrong and ours is right? How do we know that for certain?

When the prophet, peace be upon him said "Differences in opinion among my people is a mercy", he meant it. If we do not allow other opinions and interpretations, we invite divisions and fighting which distract us from the main goal: living a good muslim life and call others to God.

2. How do you solve the problem that sister Amany (farhopes) reported if her friend belongs to a sect that allows intercession?

You made me a little bit confused, brother. In your previous reply you gave a verdict that what my friend is on is considered a form of shirk. So, can we accept that as a different opinion that is considered a mercy???I think different opinions are permissible only when they are under the garment of Islam and its main principles otherwise we will get astray and lost

 

[Imad]

assalmoelaikoem warahmatullahi wbarakatuh,

thank you my brother ayman for your Questions.

Insha Allah read the hadieth and ponder

our prophet sallalahu 3alaihi wassalem said: "The Jews split into 71 sects, and the Christians split into 72 sects. My nation is going to split into 73 sects, and all of them will be in the Hellfire except one."

It was said, "Who are they, O Messenger of Allaah?"

He replied,

"They those who are upon what I and my Companions are upon."What does this mean?

the answer on Question 1: This means we have to follow Quran and sunna upon understanding of the companions of our prophet Sallalahu 3aleihi wassalem and not upon our understanding.

If a sect is doing the opposite of what the companions of our prophet did, are they on the right path?

I hope insha Allah it's clear now.

originaly posted by ayman1

This is a form of shirk. Intercession with God is a common dogma in many religions, especially Catholicism and in some Muslim sects as well, but it is forbidden

I think you have answered on your own Question 2

What does Shirk mean?

Wassalmoelaikoem Warahmatullahi wabarakatuh,

Imad

 

[Noor to shine]

You made me a little bit confused, brother. In your previous reply you gave a verdict that what my friend is on is considered a form of shirk. So, can we accept that as a different opinion that is considered a mercy???I think different opinions are permissible only when they are under the garment of Islam and its main principles otherwise we will get astray and lost

:salam2:
I think that islam was revealed to wipe any kind of shirk and to bind hearts sincerily with Allah swt directly ......All the prophets of Allah were the most sincere slaves to Allah ...we should be their follower in this respect ......Please be carefull there are many weak or fabricated hadiths.

 

[Noor to shine]

You made me a little bit confused, brother. In your previous reply you gave a verdict that what my friend is on is considered a form of shirk. So, can we accept that as a different opinion that is considered a mercy???I think different opinions are permissible only when they are under the garment of Islam and its main principles otherwise we will get astray and lost

Puirifying hearts from shirk is the most clear mercy of Islam...so any sect which try to spoil hearts and turn to creatures are voilating Islam.

 

[Imad]

Assalmoelaikoem warahmatullahi wbarakatuh,

I always say to people--> tawheed, tawheed and more tawheed

- Tawheed el-Uluhia
- Tawheed ar-Rububia
- Tawheef el- Asmae Wasifaat

The prophets have been send because of Tawheed. Many books have written by scholars because of tawheed.

Shirk is the opposite of tawheed

Wassalmoalikoem warahmatullahi wabarakatuh,

Imad

 

[oumyaquine]

:salam2: Salam little bit of tolerance,please,:lol: english isn't my mother tongue,in fact it is the fourth one,and all my books are in french ,arabic or spanish.I 'm afraid that if i start giving explanations too longs I'll make nonsenses.Otherwise I can give my explanation in Italian too. Fi Amanillah,your sister in islam :muslim_child:

Assalmoelaikoem warahmatullahi wbarakatuh,

Sister Oum Yaquine,

I'am also able to say, he is right , she is right , they are right, you are right, we are right. It's very easy to say this.

But instead of saying this, it's better to give an explanation.

Insha Allah we will start with salafi and ahlu sunna

Ahlu sunna = The people who follow the sunna
Salafies= The people who follow the islam upon understanding of the salaf- esalih

The companions of our prophet Sallalahu 3alaihi wassalem are people of the sunna, because they followed our prophet Muhammed Sallalahu 3aleihi wassalem.

So salafies = ahlu sunna

But if you disagree with me, give me your explanation.

I believe in the attributes of Allah. Allah has a Face, Allah has a Hand etc...

I believe in what is mentioned in the sunna and in the Quraan. I'am a salafi, i am from ahlu sunna.

now i want to know from you, are you a salafi?

Wassalamoalaikoem warahmatullahi wbarakatuh,

Imad

 

[Imad]

Assalmoelaikoem warahmatullahi wbarakatuh,

Nessun problema, what about arabic. I think i will have problems with understanding italiano.

I'am very tollerante.

Fi amanillah il vostro fratello nell'Islam

Wassalamo alaikoem warahmatullahi wbarakatuh,

Imad

 

[oumyaquine]

:salam2: Jazaka'Allah khairan,I apologize too,mi dispiace.Fi amanillah:angryred:

 

[justoneofmillion]

assalamu aleikum non ti preoccupare sorella stiamo tutti quanti imparando qua

wassalam
sidbad

 

[abou haytam]

salam brother

correction brother, salafi are ahl sunna.

salam

:salam2:

there is actually difference in opinions between the salafi and the ahli sunna...
The best way to know this is to read books written by the tabi7in ,tabi tabi7in...specifically Imam Hanafi RA

 

[abou haytam]

salam o alikom

i read your answer and what i will say is that i like you brother , i like the way you make things clear. jazak allaho khayran

salam o alikom

PS: i like all of you brothers and sisters too

Assalmoelaikoem warahmatullahi wbarakatuh,

Nessun problema, what about arabic. I think i will have problems with understanding italiano.

I'am very tollerante.

Fi amanillah il vostro fratello nell'Islam

Wassalamo alaikoem warahmatullahi wbarakatuh,

Imad

 

[AbuKhalid]

Well lots has been said in 1/2 a day only subhanallah!!

I would like to point out something about Ikhtilaaf (Divergences) that ayman1 talked about, but first I'd like to mention that the hadeeth "difference of opinion in my Ummah is a mercy" has no basis in Islam and falsely attribute to the prophet !! There is no isnaad for it and the muhadditheen have not found it in any books of hadeeth.

Brothers and sisters, we have to be extremely careful about this issue because its is a matter of great importance. That is why the least we can do is to give some kind of reference that can be verified.

Let me remind you the following hadeeth: ( forgive me for my english as i'm translating) from saheeh Bukhari that " the one who lies intentionally concerning me, let him take his place in hellfire" and in saheeh Muslim " the one who talks about me and he doubts that this naration is false or a lie, therefore he is among the liars"

Ikhtilaaf is of 2 types: Tanawwu' and Tadwaad

Tanawwu' literraly means to vary. There is no contradiction in it, the prophet pbuh sometimes did something in 1 way sometimes another way. Eaxample: In saheeh Bukhaary it is reported that rasoolullah (saw) has 3 ways to do raf yaddain ( raising hands) with takbeer and all 3 are acceptable.

Tadwaad means to opppoes or contadict, for example, 1 says x is halal and another says x is haraam. In such case, as scholars explain, only 1 is correct. This is explained by Imaam Maalik Rahimahullah:When imaam maalik was asked concerning a person who accept a hadeeth reported by trustworthy people from the authority of the sahaba: is there flexibility in it? He said no, the truth is 1, two contradictory opinions cannot be both correct, the true and correct is only 1. (Jaami' bayaan al ilm)

I would like to share more, but I hope its enough inshaAllah.

 

[sajjuaiah]

:astag:

Dear Sister,

Please take care from SHIRK - SHIRK - SHIRK - SHIRK and its qualities.

Please try to know about TAWHEED - TAWHEED - TAWHEED and its qualities.

MAY ALLAH PROTECT US FROM EVERY MINOR AND MAJOR SHIRK.

 

[alkathiri]

salam brother

correction brother, salafi are ahl sunna.

salam

Assalamualaikum warahmatullah,

okay...the salafi are the ahlul sunna wal jamaa' , they are the ahlul hadith, thats just a name .....:shymuslima1:



My sincerest advice to muslims :

Read these books
Al-fiqh Al-akbar by Imam Abu Hanifa RA, Riyadhus Salihin by Imam Nawawi..


Al-fiqh Al-akbar by Imam Abu Hanifa RA:
www.central-mosque.com/aqeedah/fiqakbar.pdf
Riyadhus salihin:
www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/hadeeth/riyad/default.htm

 

[farhopes]

Dear sister Amany, Assalamu Alaikum

Sorry if I confused you, I didn't mean to. I did not and cannot give a verdict since I'm not a scholar. It was simply my own opinion based on my limited knowledge.

The point I'm trying to make is how do you define "the garment of Islam"? It's easy to say that we who adhere to the Ahlus-Sunna wal-Jama`a (people of the Sunna and concensus) define it. Don't you see that our brothers who belive differently are equally convinced their understanding is "the garment of Islam?"

All you can do, Amany, for your friend if she's Sunni, is to advise her that her practice of intercession is forbidden in the Sunna. If she belongs to another sect that allows intercession then all you can tell her is that you do not share her belief but you are still her friend.

May God grant us of His wisdom.

++Ayman

You don't need to apologize, brother, it's ok. Thanks for giving advice. I already believe that we should treat people according to their minds. Talking kindly and showing tenderness, wisdom and tolerance help a lot to convey our message without losing people's frindship.
May Allah enlighten the way for every Muslim to see the truth and nothing but the truth.

 

[Globalpeace]

Muslims!

Asslamo Allaikum,

We have been given the title "Muslim" in the Qur'aan like the Nations who submitted to Allah (SWT) before us.