Muslim cleric Omar Bakri sentenced to life in Lebanon

Abu Talib

Feeling low
The radical Muslim cleric, Omar Bakri Mohammad, has been sentenced to life in prison by a military court in Lebanon.

He told the BBC from his home in Tripoli that he had been informed by his lawyer of the verdict on Thursday.

He had been tried in his absence by the court, accused of forming a militant group with the purpose of weakening the Lebanese government, Mr Mohammad added. He strenuously denied the accusation.

Lebanese officials have confirmed the sentence, but he has not been arrested.

Mr Mohammad, who was born in Syria and also holds Lebanese nationality, has been told he has 15 days to appeal.

He was among 54 people sentenced, to varying terms of imprisonment, the officials said. Around half are already in prison.
Exclusion

Mr Mohammad lived in the UK for nearly 20 years after seeking political asylum in 1986 and being granted indefinite leave to remain.

The self-styled "sheikh" ran the radical Islamist group, al-Muhajiroun, from north London until it was disbanded in 2004.

After the July 2005 London bombings, he caused a media storm when he declared that the only people he blamed were the British government and public.

The next month, Mr Mohammad left the UK on what he described as a holiday to see his mother in Beirut.

While abroad, the British government used existing powers to exclude him, saying his presence was "not conducive to the public good".

The decision did not affect his family, including his seven children.

At the time, Mr Mohammad said he had never preached violence, and had run a "purely ideological, political campaign" in the UK.

But he also vowed that he would never return the UK because of the "evil policies adopted by the British Government".
 

sister herb

Official TTI Chef
:salam2:

Kind of radicals only give bad image to islam and then non-muslims believe all islam is same.

Go and set bombs and kill as much civilians you ever can...

:girl3:
 

Idris16

Junior Member
May Allâh Hasten his release, Âmîn. At least we know what kind of scholars are in their homes, being quiet about our suffering.

:salam2:

Kind of radicals only give bad image to islam and then non-muslims believe all islam is same.

Go and set bombs and kill as much civilians you ever can...

:girl3:

Yes you are correct. We should kindly tell the Palestinians about what they are doing:)
 

Al-Kashmiri

Well-Known Member
Staff member
May Allâh Hasten his release, Âmîn. At least we know what kind of scholars are in their homes, being quiet about our suffering.



Yes you are correct. We should kindly tell the Palestinians about what they are doing:)

I wouldn't say Amin to that one. The man lies profusely and is an outright mudallis. Don't be fooled by his ramblings. He's set up tens of sects and groups in the UK and you hope for his release? I suggest you learn about some figureheads before speaking for or against them.
 

Idris16

Junior Member
I wouldn't say Amin to that one. The man lies profusely and is an outright mudallis. Don't be fooled by his ramblings. He's set up tens of sects and groups in the UK and you hope for his release? I suggest you learn about some figureheads before speaking for or against them.
I have seen those who don't like OBM and Anjem Chodhry even though they agree with each other on their views on tyrants around the Muslim lands. Whether he lies is not important in this situation today. Since he's a Muslim and is in prison. Lebanon is ruled by kuffâr unfortunately, the former Military General who I think fought against the Islamic Palestinian movement Fatah al-Islâm. I will not go that deep. So I am asking you, where's your proof that he set up ten sects or groups in the UK and where's your proof he's a liar. What does Mudallis mean?

I think those ten groups you are talking about are one and the same. muhajiroun, al ghuraba, ahlus sunna Wal Jama'a, islam4uk.. are all different names but one and the same, they just changed their names since they got banned.

Make sure to make du'a that Allah hastens his release. I'm not interested in whether to know if he's good or not.
 

Al-Kashmiri

Well-Known Member
Staff member
Look at the Critique on Al-Muhajiroon by Adbul-Haq Al-Ashanti, page 96 onwards.

http://www.calltoislam.com/pdf/A Cr...isguises Of Al-Muhajiroun - Salafi Manhaj.pdf

Plus, here in North East London, we all know about Bakri, Anjem et al. The brother(s) who compiled the above are only stating known facts that anyone who's been around since the 90's and early this decade... Only the youngsters of this generation don't know the situation with ALM, HT etc. and hence get fooled by them. Of course, we have ourselves to blame for that.
 

dna1987

Muslim Guy
Assalam alaikum.
I remember reading on this site by an American guy (non-Muslim) a long time ago who said that this Sheikh was, in his words, a "crypto-Jew". As in, he pretended to be a Muslim and deliberately said violent and extreme things to bring about hate amongst non-Muslims and try and take America to more wars in the Middle East. I forgot the authors name, but he was an anti-war American.
 

Ibn Uthaymin

Junior member
I have seen those who don't like OBM and Anjem Chodhry even though they agree with each other on their views on tyrants around the Muslim lands. Whether he lies is not important in this situation today. Since he's a Muslim and is in prison. Lebanon is ruled by kuffâr unfortunately, the former Military General who I think fought against the Islamic Palestinian movement Fatah al-Islâm. I will not go that deep. So I am asking you, where's your proof that he set up ten sects or groups in the UK and where's your proof he's a liar. What does Mudallis mean?

I think those ten groups you are talking about are one and the same. muhajiroun, al ghuraba, ahlus sunna Wal Jama'a, islam4uk.. are all different names but one and the same, they just changed their names since they got banned.

Make sure to make du'a that Allah hastens his release. I'm not interested in whether to know if he's good or not.

Trust the bro (Kashmiri). People in UK know better.

And people are fooled and believe that these mojos are scholars and they call the real scholars "Fake scholars", "Scholars for dollar", "Palace scholars" etc.

They take the youth away from the real scholars, and declare themselves scholars. What a bloody joke.

Anjem doesn't even know Arabic but declared himself a judge of a Shariah court! What a calamity.

And Omar Bakri falsely claimed that he is the student of Wahba Zuhaily. That is why he is mudallis.

To be dead honest your comment was innocuous, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
- Know your limit!
 

sister herb

Official TTI Chef
Yes you are correct. We should kindly tell the Palestinians about what they are doing:)

:SMILY309:

I don´t know what this person has to do with Palestinians and they fight against occupation.

Palestinians, specially Hamas is not putting bombs to everywhere and killing civilians.
 

Idris16

Junior Member
Look at the Critique on Al-Muhajiroon by Adbul-Haq Al-Ashanti, page 96 onwards.

http://www.calltoislam.com/pdf/A Cr...isguises Of Al-Muhajiroun - Salafi Manhaj.pdf
They are a joke. I have read a pdf about Anwar Awlaki by their likes. By reading it and those who knows what Awlaki speaks about in his lectures you would know these people lie! They take from the scholars rulings on offensive Jihâd while Anwar Awlaki always speak about defensive Jihad. How stupid can you be and believe something to be offensive when it's clearly defensive? Those here in TTI will know when reading the pdf about the shaykh that it's lies there. So I decided not to look at the pdf file except for page 96. Regarding rebelling against Muslim rulers it's haram even if the ruler is a tyrant. Though OBM doesn't believe the rulers are Muslims, which I agree with him 100%. It's allowed to rebel against these rulers. If it's not allowed then be truthful and tell us why. I fail to understand how it's NOT ok to speak against the tyrants here but it's really ok to speak against the Taliban GOV't which was in fact recognised by Pakistan, UAE and KSA. So basically what Im saying is, why dont these neo-salafis discuss about the legitimate gov't of Taliban instead of criticising them?

Abu Khadeejah and their likes are known as kadh-dhâb. Ask those who have got their backs stabbed by them.
And people are fooled and believe that these mojos are scholars and they call the real scholars "Fake scholars", "Scholars for dollar", "Palace scholars" etc.

Anjem doesn't even know Arabic but declared himself a judge of a Shariah court! What a calamity.
How far is that from the truth, brother? Isn't it close to the truth?
KSA have imprisoned many scholars and have even video recorded to show the world that they have repented from their ''takfeeri'' beliefs. If that was the case then why are they still in prison? You can see signs of those scholars who are on the truth. Ibn Taymiyyah were imprisoned and died in prison. It was a good sign for us to know who spoke the truth. In other countries as well like Jordan they have arrested shuyûkh before. Among them are Abu Muhammad al-Maqdisi, I have seen comments in this forum that he's a takfeeri, which is not even true. As far as I know he was against the killings of shias in Iraq, supported the Caucasus emirate recently. The only ones whom he call kaffirs are the rulers in our lands. He has debated with true takfeeris and with people of irjâ'i beliefs. Im not saying OBM and Anjem are good people, as I said there are Muslims in the uk that sees them as joke but agree with each other on politics and such. Show me a daleel that a judge must know Arabic in a non-speaking Arabic country.
:SMILY309:

I don´t know what this person has to do with Palestinians and they fight against occupation.

Palestinians, specially Hamas is not putting bombs to everywhere and killing civilians.
You said 'radicals'. You didn't mention any individual. I wonder if Hamas believes there are civilians other than Palestinias. I doubt so.
 

Al-Kashmiri

Well-Known Member
Staff member
They are a joke. I have read a pdf about Anwar Awlaki by their likes. By reading it and those who knows what Awlaki speaks about in his lectures you would know these people lie! They take from the scholars rulings on offensive Jihâd while Anwar Awlaki always speak about defensive Jihad. How stupid can you be and believe something to be offensive when it's clearly defensive? Those here in TTI will know when reading the pdf about the shaykh that it's lies there. So I decided not to look at the pdf file except for page 96. Regarding rebelling against Muslim rulers it's haram even if the ruler is a tyrant. Though OBM doesn't believe the rulers are Muslims, which I agree with him 100%. It's allowed to rebel against these rulers. If it's not allowed then be truthful and tell us why. I fail to understand how it's NOT ok to speak against the tyrants here but it's really ok to speak against the Taliban GOV't which was in fact recognised by Pakistan, UAE and KSA. So basically what Im saying is, why dont these neo-salafis discuss about the legitimate gov't of Taliban instead of criticising them?

Abu Khadeejah and their likes are known as kadh-dhâb. Ask those who have got their backs stabbed by them.

How far is that from the truth, brother? Isn't it close to the truth?
KSA have imprisoned many scholars and have even video recorded to show the world that they have repented from their ''takfeeri'' beliefs. If that was the case then why are they still in prison? You can see signs of those scholars who are on the truth. Ibn Taymiyyah were imprisoned and died in prison. It was a good sign for us to know who spoke the truth. In other countries as well like Jordan they have arrested shuyûkh before. Among them are Abu Muhammad al-Maqdisi, I have seen comments in this forum that he's a takfeeri, which is not even true. As far as I know he was against the killings of shias in Iraq, supported the Caucasus emirate recently. The only ones whom he call kaffirs are the rulers in our lands. He has debated with true takfeeris and with people of irjâ'i beliefs. Im not saying OBM and Anjem are good people, as I said there are Muslims in the uk that sees them as joke but agree with each other on politics and such. Show me a daleel that a judge must know Arabic in a non-speaking Arabic country.

You said 'radicals'. You didn't mention any individual. I wonder if Hamas believes there are civilians other than Palestinias. I doubt so.

Abu Khadeejah has nothing to do with those brothers, and if you haven't noticed, his stuff doesn't make way to TTI. As for the Awlaki comments then you gotta see who put the questions forward and what they were, was it SM or not?

Please, drop the weak argument. With which intellect does one somehow think that because Ibn Taymiyyah was imprisoned for standing up for the truth, that the same applies to those languishing in cells today? Some perhaps, but for the most part? You got to be kidding me.

As for being an Islamic judge without the Arabic language, then you need to look at the state of the people. The fact that we have knowledgable judges in the UK and London area already (Dr. Suhaib Hasan, Haitham Al-Haddaad and others), shows how pathetic it is to self-promote yourself to a judge, of an organisation which is nothing more than a website lol.
 

al-fajr

...ism..schism
Staff member
Assalamu'alaykum,

@Idris16: It doesn't take a genius to recognise the immense difference between the likes of Al-Muhajiroun and true followers of the Sunnah, the character Anjem Choudary has always somewhat alarmed me, his arguments only make sense to those who fall short in their logic and reasoning, if you just extend some of his opinions to a greater picture or even put them into context, they fail to hold up. Allaah gave us intelligence and these people and their followers have unfortunately chosen to abandon it.

Its insulting to have Ibn Taymiyyah's (r) example to be used in the context of OBM. A person has to have a pretty superficial appreciation of who exactly Ibn Taymiyyah was and what he acheived in his life time to do that. No aspect of his life can be compared to the likes of OBM. Can it be said OBM has achieved even a picogram of what Ibn Taymiyyah did?

You should stop defending them and use the same yardstick of judgement you would use with others and be consistent in your judgement, otherwise it doesn't do justice to the intelligence Allaah gave you.
 

al-fajr

...ism..schism
Staff member
Trust the bro (Kashmiri). People in UK know better.

And people are fooled and believe that these mojos are scholars and they call the real scholars "Fake scholars", "Scholars for dollar", "Palace scholars" etc.

They take the youth away from the real scholars, and declare themselves scholars. What a bloody joke.

Anjem doesn't even know Arabic but declared himself a judge of a Shariah court! What a calamity.

And Omar Bakri falsely claimed that he is the student of Wahba Zuhaily. That is why he is mudallis.

To be dead honest your comment was innocuous, but it really ****** me off.

Can you try to refine your language a bit? What if we all began using foul words every time something annoyed us? TTI would look terrible.

Wa-salaam
 

Idris16

Junior Member
Abu Khadeejah has nothing to do with those brothers, and if you haven't noticed, his stuff doesn't make way to TTI. As for the Awlaki comments then you gotta see who put the questions forward and what they were, was it SM or not?

Please, drop the weak argument. With which intellect does one somehow think that because Ibn Taymiyyah was imprisoned for standing up for the truth, that the same applies to those languishing in cells today? Some perhaps, but for the most part? You got to be kidding me.

As for being an Islamic judge without the Arabic language, then you need to look at the state of the people. The fact that we have knowledgable judges in the UK and London area already (Dr. Suhaib Hasan, Haitham Al-Haddaad and others), shows how pathetic it is to self-promote yourself to a judge, of an organisation which is nothing more than a website lol.
I dont like when someone self-promote himself to be a judge. There are usually three different groups. (1)OBM and Anjem (2) Abu Hamza Masri and Abu Qatadah (3) Abdullah Faisal.
Im not really defending OBM but since he's a Muslim he needs our du'as to get freed. Lebanon is ruled by a Mujrim Nasâra.
Assalamu'alaykum,
@Idris16: It doesn't take a genius to recognise the immense difference between the likes of Al-Muhajiroun and true followers of the Sunnah, the character Anjem Choudary has always somewhat alarmed me, his arguments only make sense to those who fall short in their logic and reasoning, if you just extend some of his opinions to a greater picture or even put them into context, they fail to hold up. Allaah gave us intelligence and these people and their followers have unfortunately chosen to abandon it.

Its insulting to have Ibn Taymiyyah's (r) example to be used in the context of OBM. A person has to have a pretty superficial appreciation of who exactly Ibn Taymiyyah was and what he acheived in his life time to do that. No aspect of his life can be compared to the likes of OBM. Can it be said OBM has achieved even a picogram of what Ibn Taymiyyah did?

You should stop defending them and use the same yardstick of judgement you would use with others and be consistent in your judgement, otherwise it doesn't do justice to the intelligence Allaah gave you.
:wasalam:
I am not discussing whether OBM is a shaykh or not. I just used the 'prison situation' as someone who's on the truth. At least the ones in prison are tried for their deen. I mentioned scholars. There are scholars who have authored many books, sadly they have either been killed or died.

I think the situation you are talking about is something internal. I'm not British so I dont know.
 

sister herb

Official TTI Chef
You said 'radicals'. You didn't mention any individual. I wonder if Hamas believes there are civilians other than Palestinias. I doubt so.

I don´t know why you bring Hamas to this discussion. They represent very different Islam than "sheiks" like you are talking about. And yes, they make difference between military targets and civilians. As I have seen, civilians are also non-Palestinian civilians.
 

Ibn Uthaymin

Junior member
Can you try to refine your language a bit? What if we all began using foul words every time something annoyed us? TTI would look terrible.

Wa-salaam

I apologize. Ill edit it. Topics like this one really get the worst out of me. So im gonna leave this one.

Salam
 

Abu Talib

Feeling low
:salam2:

For those who want to know more about the dubious so called Shaykh OBM and self appointed English Judge Anjem please read the attached PDF.
 

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