rape and abortion

Hard Rock Moslem

I'm your brother
Dear brothers and sisters,

Since the scholars are still debating regarding this issue, pls stop our debate. What our Syrian sisters need from you now is your du'a... pls do not forget to make du'a for our Syrian brothers and sisters every day.
 

Shak78

Junior Member
:salam2:

Many women are not going to come forward sadly due to the cultural stigma about rape. Its sad but many will not when they should. Rape is happening and say it is not is ignorant.
 

Shak78

Junior Member

Hajjerr

He is Dhul-Jalali Wal-Ikram
Salam aleikum

It is the first time i read abortion is alowed in islam as long as is done in first trimester...

I can see this is a conclusion reached after reading the Hadith that Allah assigns an Angel to "breathe" soul into an embryo after 40 days of pregnancy....but stille i find this to be indirect conection...and stille seems that is alowed to kill something that Allah wanted to be a human beeing....

Some Muslims argue that abortion is permissible if the fetus is younger than four months (120 days). They quote a statement from the Prophet (s) that refers to a human being starting as a fertilized ovum in the uterus of the mother for forty days, then it grows into a clot for the same period, then into a morsel of flesh for the same period, then an angel is sent to that fetus to blow the Ruh into it and to write down its age, deeds, sustenance, and whether it is destined to be happy or sad.

Some Muslims argue that the only case when aborting a fetus, before or after 120 days, is allowed in Islam, is when a medical situation threatens the life of the mother, leaving only two options, to let either the other or the fetus survive, but not both. Scholars argue that such a case can only be determined by a specialist, trusted and committed Muslim doctor. They argue that the mother can have other children, whereas the child cannot make up for losing the mother.

However, there is one exceptional situation. If, say the jurists, after the baby is completely formed, it is reliably shown that the continuation of the pregnancy would necessarily result in the death of the mother, then, in accordance with the general principle of the Shari'ah, that of choosing the lesser of two evils, abortion must be performed. The reason for this is that the mother is the origin of the fetus; moreover, her life is well established with duties and responsibilities, and she is also a pillar of the family. It would not be possible to sacrifice her life for the life of a fetus which has not yet acquired a personality and which has no responsibilities or obligations to fulfill.

Allah Almighty knows best.

http://www.islamawareness.net/FamilyPlanning/Abortion/abortion3.html

In case of rape i see no discussions yet, probably the scholars will reach some common point inchallah...may Allah help these women, i dont know what i would do in their place ....Allah knows best in the end..

:salam2:
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Asalaam alaikum,

I agree with Brother Hard Rock, this is useless debate.

And to think we have members here who are so quick to wish for abortions. We have members who are quick to attack a member who wants all points of view addressed.

The numbers are very low on the rapes. And there is reconstructive hymen surgery.

No, we have to be very careful what is coming out of Syria with the news. And that is coming from the western media. The Thompson incident has a debate going on in the Western world.
 

sister herb

Official TTI Chef
Asalaam alaikum,

I agree with Brother Hard Rock, this is useless debate.



The numbers are very low on the rapes.
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:salam2:


WE don´t need any evidences about rapes in Syria as those sisters surely knows are they raped or not. As typical many women shame being raped they never tell it to anyone so about them here never been any statistics. I don´t think we should say no worry as very low numbers of rapes. Even 1 is too much!

May Allah help them in they pain and show to them what is right way to continue they life.
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Asalaam alaikum,

Sister,

Yes, the women were raped. But, they made this public. By making this public, that they have been raped and it is a crime you need numbers. You can not accuse someone of a crime without a victim and the victim has to present evidence that they indeed were victimized.

Secondly, are there not other Islamic solutions to pregnancy as a result of rape short of abortions. What about the woman who can not abort. Point in case she is married.
 

sister herb

Official TTI Chef
:salam2:

Dear sister,

I see it is just good thing that here is fatwah that those women whose can and want to make abortion after rape should not suffer more. It may help them to live after that; that they don´t need to feel double shame - about being raped and also as made abortion.

:tti_sister: May Allah help them and support them to right solution.
 

elqouds2020

Junior Member
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
اللهم صن أعراض أخواتنا في سورية و في كل مكان
 

elqouds2020

Junior Member
In the name of God the Merciful
Peace, mercy and blessings of Allah
O Sun symptom sisters in Syria and everywhere
 

elqouds2020

Junior Member
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
شكرا لكم على هذا المفطع
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Asalaam walaikum,

I understand the need that you have Sister Harb. However, we need to address those who will not abort, equally.

And that does not answer the question that I rose. Nor, will anyone here. The fatawa is half a solution. In Islam we also have many other options that are not as barbaric as abortion. Abortion is barbaric to a woman's body and I would say it has consequences far greater than rape. A woman never dwells on her rape date..but she will forever remember how old the fetus will be for many many years.
 

sister herb

Official TTI Chef
:salam2:

My dear sister;

nothing personal, it is not my need but those sisters.

Also I have to disagree that woman wouldn´t dwells date of rape. Those criminals know it and use it as weapon against women and all those they think are they enemies.

I am not here looking for judgement to anyone - it is not my or anyones matter in here I hope but sympathy to our sisters (as well brothers) whose live in horrible situations.

:tti_sister: May Allah help our sisters in Syria and stop this war against innocents as soon as possible.
 

Shak78

Junior Member
Asalaam walaikum,

I understand the need that you have Sister Harb. However, we need to address those who will not abort, equally.

And that does not answer the question that I rose. Nor, will anyone here. The fatawa is half a solution. In Islam we also have many other options that are not as barbaric as abortion. Abortion is barbaric to a woman's body and I would say it has consequences far greater than rape. A woman never dwells on her rape date..but she will forever remember how old the fetus will be for many many years.

:salam2:

How can you say this if you have never been raped? I know a friend of mine who was raped and she remembers that day crystal clear and every year on that day she has a bad day due to her being raped. That is very insensitive to say if you have not been in that horrible position.
 

Shak78

Junior Member
Asalaam alaikum,

Sister,

Yes, the women were raped. But, they made this public. By making this public, that they have been raped and it is a crime you need numbers. You can not accuse someone of a crime without a victim and the victim has to present evidence that they indeed were victimized.

Secondly, are there not other Islamic solutions to pregnancy as a result of rape short of abortions. What about the woman who can not abort. Point in case she is married.

:salam2:

Once so what do you consider evidence, the testimony of the victim is not enough. Its not like the Syrian Government is going to do anything to one of their fighters accused of this. Former soldiers have said more then once that rape has been used as a weapon against the rebels, they have seen it happen. Is that not enough for you or do you need video and pictures as well? It seems to me that you refuse to see this as a problem and are blaming the women who this happens to for it. I dont understand your defense of this horrible regime who kills its own people, rapes it women and then blames it on others to save face.
 

John Smith

Junior Member
The word of a believing women is no longer accepted? Wow we now need her to document her trauma as if what she has experienced is not bad enough.
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Asalaam alaikum,

There is a leap of reason here. Who said a word of a Beveling woman is not taken as serious? However, if you want international attention and that is what is being sought you need to be exact.

I am not denying that rapes occurred. They occur daily without any battles. But, if you are going to accuse the enemy of rape you have to have facts and figures. You are asking/begging for sympathy. A crime can not be committed without a victim and the perpetrator. You can not say a woman was raped to the international world whose attention you are seeking and say oh the victims are too ashamed to come out and say they were raped. No-one is asking for personal data to identify the victim.

This post is about abortion as an option to pregnancy for rape. I question, as my right, what choice does a woman have if she can not abort. What are the fatawa's for women who can not abort. What if the woman is married does she abort.

And the word of this believing woman is not taken is it?
 
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