Discussion in 'New and Current Affairs' started by esperanza, Jun 11, 2012.
The soul is breathed in after 40 days?
My apologies I was incorrect, according to the fatwa I post below the soul is breathed into the fetus after 120 days from conception. May Allah swt forgive me for my mistake. (I bolded the part that states when the soul is breathed into the fetus.
... An honorable woman raped by Shabiha men cannot bear the birth of an illegitimate child,” he said.
Even secular law opt to termination of pregnancy as the result of rape.
Those innocent women can't be made to suffer even more for what they already lost
for that caused!!!
~May Allah swt help,protect and guide all muslims~Amin!
Question: What about forgiveness. If the woman can find it in her heart to bear her circumstances is that not better. Why must the only option be abortion? There are consequences of abortion and some can not abort.
And if a woman is married what then? Once again it is a leap of reason. I will spell it out if I need to but if the reader can think what then?
When the child is born and the adan is spoken into its ears what then? Does a child hold the sin of the parents? Does not every soul have the right to seek and please its Creator?
Who cares about secular law. We are discussing the Laws of Allah. We are discussing abortion and rape.
What if woman will hate hers child who is living reminder about her rape? In my last job I saw many kind of situations by women whose came from war areas and had forced to give birth to child made like that now in Syria.
Some mercy to those sisters, please.
There are many infertile women who would raise a child with love. The child is innocent. Show Mercy to the innocence of an innocent creature.
Put the child in an orphange and give that life a chance to bloom.
And what if the sister is married...if she had sex with her husband in the time period where conception can take place..and she is raped..what then? What if she is pregnant with twins..
Forgiveness is the best of all mercy, I leave it at that. Each conception is the Will of Allah. It is Allah that gives life and all life belongs to Him.
I leave it at that.
To all those who could not discuss without getting personal
Age is a number. I can present a prodigy right now, and the child would simply outwit most of us.
You stand the chance of getting ignored, for ever. How? Next time you post here, in this forum, at your time of need, you might simply miss the input from the most knowledgeable one....
Get to the point being discussed, not to the people in the discussion.
STEP out, because you are not able to think straight when stressed. This discussion is not for you.
Here is your opportunity, to GROW UP
... Islam does provide the provision, and like many other provision, it comes with a responsibility. This topic is a slippery slope. Lot of emotions.... And factual case by case judgement, needs skill. Its simply not for those who do not have the courage to sit down, listen and suffer the agony. A person in trauma needs some one to not cry along(sympathy), but some one to show the way forward(empathy).
There are many women who have carried the child, despite others forcing the women to abort. I can give you the numbers for it. And, to those who do not know what it is to have a still birth baby, what do you know about the trauma of a women who is also forced to undergo the trauma of abortion?
Was it or not?
Its such a topic that if it happens in neighborhood, to get out the facts is made so difficult by society. And let me also make it clear, even in the most so called liberated countries, its difficult. And now its happening in one part of the world, miles away, none are neither prepared nor aware how to approach it right? In this case we are taking about a religio-social situation. Its also a matter of shame. We want to blame it on one person, and we do not want to look deeper and see who made this person what he is. Hold on, look deeper...
How many, is a valid question
Can any of you think of some sensible reasons? Yes, there are. For an administrator, how many is the most important question. For the red cross, who are those is very imporatnt, so as to reach out to those hidden in the walls of house, and ease their suffering. So where are the doctors and the aspiring doctors to be? So we know there are few. And how do we reach out to those few. Go knocking at each door? Or an ad asking them to come to the clinic at stipulated time? I would definitely like to know, how to address this problem. Or, are we going to paint all the girls/ women in an entire village or town as being subjected to this trauma??
Lets do the exercise
So a women goes to clinic and the first question that arises is how did it happen? Is she married? or Is she unmarried? So... How do you tackle?
Lets say there was a verbal engagement [like the one in this thread]. What if the other person let tongue loose and, and and to win the argument or rather silence the one, mock the person's past trauma? Deserve a slap or a clap?
Wait... would one let one's brother marry such a lady? Or would one let one's son be husband to such a lady? Would one let one's sister 'be', if she made the choice to carry the child? Would one look in the eye of such a nephew/niece, and treat it fairly? its after all an innocent child right?
Hope i have made it clear, its just to set our thoughts straight
In the end there really isn't any place for us to debate. Scholars that have gone over the situation and know the details have made a ruling (fatwa.) We are just Monday-night quarterbacking and even worse, without all the facts or knowledge of fiqh. So it's not our place to demand to know the gruesome details behind these sister's violations.
It's not our place to judge if an abortion is more difficult to bear than raising a child who is a product of that rape. It is not our place to comb over the details and demand clarification on her situation. Our only place is to make dua for these sisters and to do whatever we can to help them live in safer places. Her decision is between her and Allah swt. No one here knows what their actions would be in her place so best to remain silent lest we bring down the wrath of Allah swt on our own heads.
Let me correct you. This started with a post about one scholar's opinion on rape and abortion. No-one was judging any sister. As this was about the situation in Syria I questioned the facts. None were provided. I then questioned why in Islam we have to jump to abortion as a solution.
No-one ever asked for details. We asked for facts. That has been discussed. And Brother Strive May I made some excellent points as to why we need the facts.
Some members were quick to post and suggest the times allowances for abortions. Equally, I suggested that there are alternatives to abortion.
There was no judging here. It was black and white. Islam provides solutions to all problems. And for some abortions are not a solution.
Just to take the thoughts in another direction, such topics too exist 'An argument against Abortion Essays.'
To just get an idea of how slippery a slope the topic abortion is:
Another abstract, note the highlighted part, it mocks
And now, bringing back into focus
Syria, Ally forces planes bombed en-mass, to take out an impervious regime and bring peace in the conflict zone... the reports might say in few months. Could this not have been prevented?!
And if one observes, a simple truth arises. The focus and effort is away from prevention!
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