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    Thanks for sharing this video brother.
    its so painful
    anyway game is over now he is gone, lets see who is next:SMILY23:
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    Salaam,

    I just have one thought running through my mind. How can one claim to be Muslim and shoot bullets at a masjid knowing there are Muslims in it?
    I keep using the phrase that the worst are the servants of the servants of the devil. Is this what we are reduced to?
    Have we lost the ability to think independently? Have we forgotten it is to Allah we return?
    Can we at least try to have a day of fasting for every member of this forum. It is not much but we can dedicated the day to be in sprit with our suffering ummahath.
    I call out to my sisters to join me in one day of fast. I call out to my sisters because our history tells us the first to believe was the wife of the Holy Prophet (swas). The fast may be a token, but it will be pure. It is the first step in action.
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    i support you in that request let us fast of Thirsday and then at iftar we try to make a sincere prayer (with a heart) for all our brothers and sisters (alive or dead).
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    I have not hurted so much in these days as I hurted today with this event of red mosque. Masjid is supposed to be the place of worship.. instead of that it has become place of violence and bloodshed. It is very difficult to say whose mistake it is.. Allah is The best Judge. Allah s.w.t is going to punish or reward justly in this incident with everyone.
    Yaa Allah, I pray you to keep every muslim on straight path.. Ameen.
    Yaa Allah, I ask you to give the right knowledge of Islam to every muslim.. Ameen..
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    AssalaamuAlaikum,

    Maulana Rasheed has achieved his goal.

    Government did not allow any media, that itself tells what were the motives of government.

    Secondly, an agreement was done by political leader and Muslim Madrassah representatives , but after the agreement ,there came an order from President house (Busharraf) about including some absurd demands in the agreement which were not acceptable to Maulana Rasheed Gazi. Furthermore, only half hour was given to Maulana Rasheed Gazi to decide about this. The new demands from the president house were not acceptable to him. So Government literally returned from agreement which was earlier made and started bombing and killing (which is their hobby).

    I think Maulana Rasheed got his goal. This pandora box is opened now and will expand further. Lal Masjid incident was the frist step towards more such incidents and hence the revolution lastly (the extreme and bloody one).

    WassalaamuAlaikum.
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    Fitnahs are coming one after another like the broken bead!

    W-Salam,

    It has always been my view that a Revolution will occur in Pakistan and the ground is now set for a "Clash of Civilisations" (as the Kuffar put it)....

    Pandora box as you say is open and this won't be pretty or peaceful.
    Blood will now flow…

    Islamists will attack the Military and it will be civil war and US and/or India (or both) will move in to secure the Nukes and then we may see a new situation developing in Khuarasan as per the Ahadeeth of Rasul-ullah (Sallaho Alaihe Wassallam).

    I also believe that Mujahedeen in Iraq & Afghanistan have stalled US otherwise the target for attacking Saudia & splitting it into three zones was in November 2006, followed by sometimes 2007 for Pakistan

    I sincerely don’t believe that even Busharraf is so stupid to have ordered this!
    In the short term it secures US hegemony in Pakistan, i.e. one of the following is likely to happen:

    1. Busharraf wins re-election later this year with the help of current Muslim league and secular votes
    2. Busharraf enacts Martial-Law
    3. Busharraf remains president with the help of PPP and Benazir becomes prime-minister
    4. Some other Pro-US candidate with the help of secular elements, but there is no one around at the moment!

    All are win-win scenarios for US.

    This also gives Busharraf & US to further foster & fund the growth of Sufi & extreme non-violent, non-political forms of Islam as recommended in the CTC report (Feb 2006)!

    I would also recommend the following analysis of the situation…

    http://icssa.org/article_detail_parse.php?a_id=1137&rel=1130

    Life will get a lot tougher for Muslims (whether you are a Pakistani or Not).Turn to Allah (SWT), Repent for your sins and cry for the Ummah in the last part of the Night and like Sisters are recommending FAST!

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    AssalaamuAlaikum,

    1. Busharraf wins re-election later this year with the help of current Muslim league and secular votes
    2. Busharraf enacts Martial-Law
    3. Busharraf remains president with the help of PPP and Benazir becomes prime-minister
    4. Some other Pro-US candidate with the help of secular elements, but there is no one around at the moment!
    5- Repetition of USA's Tissue paper policy, i.e., Zia-ul-Haq plane crash drama for Musharraf (ok, not plane crash but some other crash this time, so that it looks more realistic).


    The situation which has been depicted in the programs of Dr. Shahid Masood, in which he has collected those Ahadith about judgement day, it is pretty predictable whats going to happen in near future.

    I totally agree that the "Clash of civilizations" is not a theory by a fact. The fact which is told in Quran, and the fact, of which the consequence have been told already, specially about the time before judgment day.

    WassalaamuAlaikum,
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    Who we r

    Abdul Rasheed Ghazi is "Shaheed" now. Under a general's force.
    Today on Namaz e zuhaar i cried so much unintentionally, i feel that i am a bloody coward which can do nothing when these army bastards are gunshooting at the Mosque.

    Many people call Ghazi Sb a terrorist. Analyzing all the situation. I want answers from a real scholar, Who we r? Muslims, Munafiqs or something else. Plz tell me that everyone says that Islam is very calm and moderate religion. My question is that in contrast of a so called muslim enemy (as one has clear opposite qualities in him like, Lieing, Bribes, Hate muslims, brothals, drinking etc etc.) be clear that i am not talking about other religions people here, I am talking about a number of people which have above said qualities but called as muslims like General Musharaf, If a true muslim takes a stand and to fulfill the islamic laws choose some harsh way against the so called muslims and then murdered by those muslims what we call him???. This is a very serious question plz i want a learned islamic scholar input here. I am so much depressed by the behavior of other muslims on forums.

    Moreover what is a state or country w.r.t. ISLAM. Does a state or country law outscore the Islamic law in a society which have a name of (Islamic Republic But by name only) Can we shoot somebody which is against our so called state laws (Islamic State by Name only, All laws are not under Islam) and creating some effort to eliminate evils from Islamic society???

    If a person could not take a harsh way like a doctor operating a patient when there is no other choice so What The Jehaad Really means in Islam. In what conditions Jihaad is possible and can we do the harsh things against so called muslims to take them back on right track???
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    I totally agree with you the stage is perhaps set for the Great War.Specially if you analyze the reaction to this Masjid.The hadith talks about Forces Of Mahdi coming from Khurassan.Pakistani part of KHURASSAN is NWFP province .Moreover as according to hadith most of the forces of Mahdi would consist of Muslim Bani israel(pakhtuns) the reaction to this event has mostly been concentrated in NWFP and most people killed in this incident were PATHANS.this would not only provoke Madressahs and Islamists but the TRIBES who have a tradition of REVENGE to wage a holy war against BUSHARRaf



    .Abu Hurairah (R.A.) says that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: "(Armies carrying) black flags will come from Khorasan. No power will be able to stop them and they will finally reach Eela (Baitul Maqdas) where they will erect their flags.( Ref: Saheeh Trimdi)



    13 .Hadhrat Buraidah (R.A.) says that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said: "There will be many armies after me. You must join that army which will come from Khorasan.(Ref: Narrated by Ibn-e-Adi & Asaker & Seyuti in Jamiah Sagheer .Also in)

    14. Narrated by Hazrat Abdullah bin Haris(R.A) that Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said that “People will come from the East who will make Khilafah (Islamic Rule) easy for Imam Mahdi.(Ref : Ibn-e-Majah Hadith 4088)
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    SWAT

    batling the radicals holed up in Lal Masjid, Pakistan security forces are gearing up to take on another set of well entrenched extremists led by a cleric, in a tribal area, who has issued a decree asking people to attack anyone supporting the crackdown on the Islamabad mosque.

    Government has decided to launch a massive operation against the banned Tehrik-e-Nifaz-e-Shariat Mohammadi leader Maulana Fazalullah in the tribal Malakand agency of the North West Frontier Province, media reports said.

    Fazalullah is a close associate of Lal Masjid cleric Abdul Aziz, arrested while trying to sneak out from the besieged mosque in a burqa four days ago, and his younger brother Abdul Rashid Ghazi. Fresh deployment of troops started following an announcement of war against forces by Fazalullah after the operation against Lal Masjid, the Post daily said.

    Situations is alarmingly deteriorating in Swat district as most of the students of the madrassas are hailing from the region. Also, after the security operation, Fazaullah had said anyone who supported the crackdown was an 'infidel'. He called the religious leaders supporting the present government as "rebels of Islam".

    BAJAUR

    Around 20,000 Pakistani tribesmen vowed Monday to take revenge on President Pervez Musharraf for the siege of a radical mosque in the capital Islamabad, witnesses and officials said, cited by AFP.

    "We are ready for jihad!" cried the protesters -- some of them armed with Kalashnikovs and rocket launchers -- who rallied near Khar, the main town in the troubled Bajaur tribal district bordering Afghanistan.

    Local pro-Taliban commanders told the gathering that there should be a holy war in return for the standoff at the Red Mosque.

    The confrontation has so far left at least 24 people dead, according to the government, but the mosque's leaders say more than 400 students have been killed.

    "We beg Allah to destroy Musharraf and we will seek revenge for the atrocities committed at the Red Mosque," militant commander Maulvi Faqir Mohammed told the gathering.

    Mohammed had links to a hardline madrassa, or Islamic school, that was bombed by Pakistani forces in October 2006, killing around 80 people.

    The tribesmen shouted slogans including "Death to Musharraf", "Death to America" and "Those who are friends of America are traitors."

    "Musharraf should immediately end his atrocity against the mosque," Mohammed added.
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    SHAMELESS ARMY

    Army started the operation at 4.00 A.M according to ISPR.That's exactly the time of FAJR AZAAN.Army shamelessly stormed the MASJID when people were praying Fajr.
    The operation has been named SILENCE .Mush wants to silence who speaks against him.Rasullulah said

    THE GREATEST JIHAD IS TO SPEAK THE TRUTH AFTER UNJUST RULER.
    Army silenced the ones who spoke against MUSH.
    Some personnels of army who were injured were seen in pathetic condition .One of them was lying on the stretcher and after every 5 seconds he shouted ATTACK and CODE NAMES of OPERATION.Some say MEDIA was also not allowed to enter hospital as unusual number of soldiers has this kind of DISORDER.Allah has set them as IBRAT(example for others to learn)


    SHAMELESS MEDIA

    Media's partiality and tilt towards secularism was clearly exposed.Before the MASSACRE Media was spreading propaganda that CHILDREN ARE FLOWERS NOT SHEILDS.After the killing of Flowers Media shamelessly kept SILENT.

    Ghazi also said that he would only surrender infront of ULEMA and CAMERA so that people should come and see How much weapons do we have .How much foreigners are present????

    SHAMELESS POLITICIANS

    No one among the politicians was ready to condemn the attack.ABDUL RASHHED GHAZI SHAHEED said in his last talk that the political Ulema(MMA) wanted himto bow down and they played a negative role.He also said that many Ulemas bowed down to government.
    THE LIE
    Meanwhile the ARMY is also hiding the number of casualties .Many parents complain that government has neither handed them dead body nor were their relatives in surrender camp.It also explains why Army is taking so long to finish operation they must be disappearing dead bodies.SOURCES SAY there could be as many as 500-800 CASUALTIES.

    ISLAMABAD: Dead bodies are "everywhere" inside a radical Pakistani mosque raided by troops on Tuesday, a source inside the complex said by telephone.

    A man who picked up one of top mosque cleric Abdul Rashid Ghazi's mobile phones said those inside were under "massive bombing and gunfire. This is indiscriminate killing".

    "There is no contact with each other because no one can leave the rooms and basements. There are dead bodies everywere," the witness added, declining to give his name as explosions and gunfire echoed in the background.

    One of those killed was Ghazi's elderly mother, who died of suffocation from smoke caused by blasts
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    allhamdullilah i am pakhtunand Islam runs in our blood.i ve been crying since the first day of this bloody operation against Islam,but busharaf must stop now cos he has got 2 f16s from USA as a bait.
    and brother ,security forces will need another security force for their security cos most of the students were pakhtun.they are very much revengeful now.
    Mufti Rafi Usmani has given the fatwa that all those victims of LAL MOSQUE are SHAHEED(rafi usmani is the mufti azam of Pakistan)
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    some muslims say Ghazi was a TERRORIST.Most of these Muslims are Pakistani immigrants living in Europe.They will not like it because this event has further brought Pakistani community in the heat of Racist remarks.Secondly the Muslims in Europe have no idea of situation in pakistan.They have rule of law.

    Where as in Pakistan if you speak against government you are ABDUCTED.600 people are missing.Chief Justice of country is suspended only for hearing the cases of missing persons.

    there is no democracy .One ruler amends HUDDODULLAH and keeps laughing.the Ulema who are against cleric are silent about amendments in Hududullah.In his WOMEN PROTECTION BILL the RAPISTS no longer gets punishment of stoning or Lashing.

    The government shouting for WRIT and RULE OF LAW shamelessly neglects the KILLINGS OF KARACHI .
    In this situation Ghazi has neither

    KILLED ANYBODY.
    NEITHER REBELLED AGAINST GOVERNMENT.
    He only ordered his students to close a BROTHEL that too after APPEALING 100 times to the POLICE.Is speaking against infidel government is terrorism

    Rasulullah said GREATEST JIHAD IS S.PEAKING THE TRUTH AGAINST UNJUST RULER
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    it is reported in newspaperts that Edhi trust has dispatch more than 800 coffin sheets and 300 sheets to gather the remanings of the the shuhadah
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    Burqa

    An army general phoned Mulana Abdul Aziz to come out for a secrete talk and he also phoned the Pathetic army people that Mulana Abdul Aziz is sneaking out in a burqa do arrest him and later on they insulted Burqa and Mulana in the way that even Kufaar's could not do that. that Islam is a very peaceful religion and Ghazi Who is on the right path As Above to all these happenings many of us thinks that we r the ture muslims indeed and that the man Ghazi is a terrorist. Are we heading towards a society in which an ordinary Namazi would be soon declared as a terrorist also Because our next generation is so much roshan khyal that, they will go straight to these brothels, See *!*!*! movies, Drinks beer, Do lied politics and then says that we are the moderate and true muslims.

    I want to know what is the right path, Unfortunately Quran- e- majeed is talking against the thinking of many around us. And by the way in such a Harsh manner that one heart could start bowling (As many of us defends that its a religion of peace (Thund Program).
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    AssalaamuAlaikum,

    If you know Urdu then please read the first colmn on the following page:
    http://nawaiwaqt.com.pk/urdu/daily/july-2007/06/idarati1.php#1
    (The column by Sikandar khan baloch)

    Wassalaam
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    >>Mufti Rafi Usmani has given the fatwa that all those victims of LAL MOSQUE are SHAHEED(rafi usmani is the mufti azam of Pakistan)

    Reference please, I need reference.
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    his news conference on geo tv
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    Mufti Rafi Usmani: Grand Mufti of Pakistan declares them Shaheed!

    Asslamo Allaikum,

    ....Mufti Raheem Usmani, a renowned religious scholar and a member of the delegation that held talks with Maulana Abdul Rashid, has declared that all those Lal Masjid and Jamia Hafsa militants who lost their lives while harbouring the belief that they were engaged in jihad are shaheeds [martyrs]....

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/6290594.stm

    Look half-way down the page in the section entitled, "The Post"
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