I wont respond to this again, its not worth my time or energy to talk sense with people who lack compassion,iman,mercy and logic.
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i think you'd better keep your promise because it serves no good to no one.
if your emotions overcomes you, you should stop speaking and start listening.
When you are a muslim you surrender Allah's orders while using your intelligence in order to learn and understand them.
if it was up to my logic on this topic of stoning, i would say that the punishment shoud be different for the married ones, but my thought, without learning what the verdicts of scholars of islam are, is useless because i am not an expert on islam. Where i use my intelligence is that, i try to learn as many different fatwas from different experts of the matter as possible and follow what i feel is right. That is, after all, what everybody do.
i do not find stoning barbaric or do not think it scares non muslims away from islam, since i beleive Allah will guide who deserves to be guided. What is important for me is whether stoning is what Allah orders as punisment for the crime or not.
We must follow what Allah orders and how Rasulullah(s.a.s.) practices them. Muahmmed(s.a.s.) was not the lawmaker but a massanger. He was given Quran and hikmah(wisdom). His words and actions were translations of Quran. He(s.a.s.) was a walking Quran. When we are learning sunnah we can not ignore the rulings of Quran. They are inseperable.
if there is a clear verdict in the quran about a matter, no hadiths are supposed to contradicts them. if there is any, there should be an explanation. Like the fatwa i posted earlier, every aspect of it should be taken into considerations, such as when,to whom or under what circumstances they were said.
Let us not forget that, every book except the Book of Allah, Quran, has foults in them. That includes Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim or other hadith books.
Here are two different hadiths about Omar(r.a.);
When the time of the death of the Prophet approached while there were some men in the house, and among them was 'Umar Ibn al-Khattab, the Prophet said: "Come near let me write for you a writing after which you will never go astray." 'Umar said: "The Prophet is seriously ill, and you have the Qur'an, so Allah's Book is sufficient for us." The people in the house differed and disputed. Some of them said, "Come near so that Allah's Apostle may write for you a writing after which you will not go astray," while the others said what 'Umar said. When they made much noise and quarreled greatly in front of the Prophet, he said to them, "Go away and leave me." Ibn 'Abbas used to say, "It was a great disaster that their quarrel and noise prevented Allah's Apostle from writing a statement for them.
Sahih al Bukhari Arabic-English Volume 9 hadith number 468 and Volume 7 hadith 573
"Because in the future some people will appear and deny the punishment of stoning, by claiming that they can not find it in the Quran, if I did not fear that people will say that Omar is adding to the Quran, I would add the stoning verse into the Quran!!" (Bukhary 93/21; Muslim, Hudud 1691; Tirmizi, Hudud 8/1431; Abu Dawud 41/1; Itkan 2/34).
if there is any muslim who would beleive that Omar(r.a.) would have said such words underlined in the second hadith, i am off. Adding a verse into the Quran? And fearing not Allah but what prople would say? No, that is not the Omar(r.a.) that i love and know. So, instead of doubting him, we should doubt the narration and that is why we always refer the Quran when dealing ahadiths.
