Hard Rock Moslem
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If he is confirm a gay, then Muslims in America had another reason to reject him as US President. Of course now it is too late as this satan already secured his second term.
US ELECTION ON NOV 6
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Assalaam alaikum,
He is not out in the open.
But, it goes to show you how little research even Muslims in the US do to vote for a candidate.
Here is an excellent article:
The Special Interests Won Again
November 7, 2012 | Categories: Articles & Columns | Tags: Special Interests won again roberts,
The election that was supposed to be too close to call turned out not to be so close after all. In my opinion, Obama won for two reasons: (1) Obama is non-threatening and inclusive, whereas Romney exuded a “us vs. them” impression that many found threatening, and (2) the election was not close enough for the electronic voting machines to steal.
As readers know, I don’t think that either candidate is a good choice or that either offers a choice. Washington is controlled by powerful interest groups, not by elections. What the two parties fight over is not alternative political visions and different legislative agendas, but which party gets to be the whore for Wall Street, the military-security complex, Israel Lobby, agribusiness, and energy, mining, and timber interests.
Being the whore is important, because whores are rewarded for the services that they render. To win the White House or a presidential appointment is a career-making event as it makes a person sought after by rich and powerful interest groups. In Congress the majority party can provide more services and is thus more valuable than the minority party. One of our recent presidents who was not rich ended up with $36 million shortly after leaving office, as did former UK prime minister Tony Blair, who served Washington far better than he served his own country.
Wars are profitable for the military/security complex. Israel rewards its servants and punishes its enemies. Staffing environmental regulatory agencies with energy, mining, and timber executives is regarded by those interests as very friendly behavior.
Many Americans understand this and do not bother to vote as they know that whichever candidate or party wins, the interest groups prevail. Ronald Reagan was the last president who stood up to interest groups, or, rather, to some of them. Wall Street did not want his tax rate reductions, as Wall Street thought the result would be higher inflation and interest rates and the ruination of their stock and bond portfolios. The military/security complex did not want Reagan negotiating with Gorbachev to end the cold war.
What is curious is that voters don’t understand how politics really works. They get carried away with the political rhetoric and do not see the hypocrisy that is staring them in the face. Proud patriotic macho American men voted for Romney who went to Israel and, swearing allegiance to his liege lord, groveled at the feet of Netanyahu. Obama plays on the heart strings of his supporters by relating a story of a child with leukemia now protected by Obamacare, while he continues to murder thousands of children and their parents with drones and other military actions in seven countries. Obama was able to elicit cheers from supporters as he described the onward and upward path of America toward greater moral accomplishments, while his actual record is that of a tyrant who codified into law the destruction of the US Constitution and the civil liberties of the American people.
The election was about nothing except who gets to serve the interest groups. The wars were not an issue in the election. Washington’s provoking of Iran, Russia, and China by surrounding them with military bases was not an issue. The unconstitutional powers asserted by the executive branch to detain citizens indefinitely without due process and to assassinate them on suspicion alone were not an issue in the election. The sacrifice of the natural environment to timber, mining, and energy interests was not an issue, except to promise more sacrifice of the environment to short-term profits. Out of one side of the mouth came the nonsense promise of restoring the middle class while from the other side of the mouth issued defenses of the offshoring of their jobs and careers as free trade.
The inability to acknowledge and to debate real issues is a threat not only to the United States but also to the entire world. Washington’s reckless pursuit of hegemony driven by an insane neoconservative ideology is leading to military confrontation with Russia and China. Eleven years of gratuitous wars with more on the way and an economic policy that protects financial institutions from their mistakes have burdened the US with massive budget deficits that are being monetized. The US dollar’s loss of the reserve currency role and hyperinflation are plausible consequences of disastrous economic policy.
How is it possible that “the world’s only superpower” can hold a presidential election without any discussion of these very real and serious problems being part of it? How can anyone be excited or made hopeful about such an outcome?
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2012/11/07/the-special-interests-won-again/
He is not out in the open.
But, it goes to show you how little research even Muslims in the US do to vote for a candidate.
Here is an excellent article:
The Special Interests Won Again
November 7, 2012 | Categories: Articles & Columns | Tags: Special Interests won again roberts,
The election that was supposed to be too close to call turned out not to be so close after all. In my opinion, Obama won for two reasons: (1) Obama is non-threatening and inclusive, whereas Romney exuded a “us vs. them” impression that many found threatening, and (2) the election was not close enough for the electronic voting machines to steal.
As readers know, I don’t think that either candidate is a good choice or that either offers a choice. Washington is controlled by powerful interest groups, not by elections. What the two parties fight over is not alternative political visions and different legislative agendas, but which party gets to be the whore for Wall Street, the military-security complex, Israel Lobby, agribusiness, and energy, mining, and timber interests.
Being the whore is important, because whores are rewarded for the services that they render. To win the White House or a presidential appointment is a career-making event as it makes a person sought after by rich and powerful interest groups. In Congress the majority party can provide more services and is thus more valuable than the minority party. One of our recent presidents who was not rich ended up with $36 million shortly after leaving office, as did former UK prime minister Tony Blair, who served Washington far better than he served his own country.
Wars are profitable for the military/security complex. Israel rewards its servants and punishes its enemies. Staffing environmental regulatory agencies with energy, mining, and timber executives is regarded by those interests as very friendly behavior.
Many Americans understand this and do not bother to vote as they know that whichever candidate or party wins, the interest groups prevail. Ronald Reagan was the last president who stood up to interest groups, or, rather, to some of them. Wall Street did not want his tax rate reductions, as Wall Street thought the result would be higher inflation and interest rates and the ruination of their stock and bond portfolios. The military/security complex did not want Reagan negotiating with Gorbachev to end the cold war.
What is curious is that voters don’t understand how politics really works. They get carried away with the political rhetoric and do not see the hypocrisy that is staring them in the face. Proud patriotic macho American men voted for Romney who went to Israel and, swearing allegiance to his liege lord, groveled at the feet of Netanyahu. Obama plays on the heart strings of his supporters by relating a story of a child with leukemia now protected by Obamacare, while he continues to murder thousands of children and their parents with drones and other military actions in seven countries. Obama was able to elicit cheers from supporters as he described the onward and upward path of America toward greater moral accomplishments, while his actual record is that of a tyrant who codified into law the destruction of the US Constitution and the civil liberties of the American people.
The election was about nothing except who gets to serve the interest groups. The wars were not an issue in the election. Washington’s provoking of Iran, Russia, and China by surrounding them with military bases was not an issue. The unconstitutional powers asserted by the executive branch to detain citizens indefinitely without due process and to assassinate them on suspicion alone were not an issue in the election. The sacrifice of the natural environment to timber, mining, and energy interests was not an issue, except to promise more sacrifice of the environment to short-term profits. Out of one side of the mouth came the nonsense promise of restoring the middle class while from the other side of the mouth issued defenses of the offshoring of their jobs and careers as free trade.
The inability to acknowledge and to debate real issues is a threat not only to the United States but also to the entire world. Washington’s reckless pursuit of hegemony driven by an insane neoconservative ideology is leading to military confrontation with Russia and China. Eleven years of gratuitous wars with more on the way and an economic policy that protects financial institutions from their mistakes have burdened the US with massive budget deficits that are being monetized. The US dollar’s loss of the reserve currency role and hyperinflation are plausible consequences of disastrous economic policy.
How is it possible that “the world’s only superpower” can hold a presidential election without any discussion of these very real and serious problems being part of it? How can anyone be excited or made hopeful about such an outcome?
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2012/11/07/the-special-interests-won-again/
I didn't say it, I was aghast at the claims made by Aapa about that.
Muslimah4truth
Junior Member
Good good good for you Hard Rock Moslem, very well said! It is refreshing to hear others feel the same as me & my family in this Demon-ocracy voting. Even back when I was a Christian - we knew that sovernity belonged exclusively to God not man & their made-up destorted laws and agendas.
John Smith
Junior Member
Obama gay? get out of town.
Look the way i see it is if the person can do good to help muslims then i dont care what he does in his spare time behind closed doors as long as it does not involve kids.
We are not here to pass judgement that alone is for Allah Swt.
Look the way i see it is if the person can do good to help muslims then i dont care what he does in his spare time behind closed doors as long as it does not involve kids.
We are not here to pass judgement that alone is for Allah Swt.
sister herb
Official TTI Chef
I agree this 100%.
Assalaam alaikum,
He has not done good for Muslims.
Look I am not the one who pointed the finger at his bisexuality. Did you look at the link? I dropped a hint for others to check the details about what happened at his church in Chicago.
I dig deep if I am going to vote for someone. I read and read. I read about the incident at the church. I couldn't believe it. I kept reading.
His college days are full of surprises. Check the incident at his church in Chicago.
Why would it surprise you?
I am a Muslim and I will not vote for a gay or lesbian. The information is out there.
I live here. I checked the facts on the candidates.
He has not done good for Muslims.
Look I am not the one who pointed the finger at his bisexuality. Did you look at the link? I dropped a hint for others to check the details about what happened at his church in Chicago.
I dig deep if I am going to vote for someone. I read and read. I read about the incident at the church. I couldn't believe it. I kept reading.
His college days are full of surprises. Check the incident at his church in Chicago.
Why would it surprise you?
I am a Muslim and I will not vote for a gay or lesbian. The information is out there.
I live here. I checked the facts on the candidates.
sister herb
Official TTI Chef
Salam alaykum
As Obama is married with woman he isn´t a gay. Gays don´t marry with women.
In Finland were before also president election. One candidate was a gay. He told it openly. His husband took part to campaing.
As Obama is married with woman he isn´t a gay. Gays don´t marry with women.
In Finland were before also president election. One candidate was a gay. He told it openly. His husband took part to campaing.
John Smith
Junior Member
Name me one leader that has done good for muslims? none.
My local councilor is Gay, but he has done more to keep my area clean,crime free,access to public amenities etc etc,more so that the corrupt muslim councilors who were there for their very own benefit.
Who is more of a danger to muslims a Munafakeen or Non-Muslim?
Assalaam alaikum,
Brother Malcolm to start.
And do not get me wrong. I fully understand you view on the self-serving ones.
You are making it hard on me but here goes.
It is my understanding in serving Allah subhana wa taala we always have to look at the big picture. The bottom line can be reduced to questioning ourselves about the greater good.
In my obedience to Allah, and this is where it becomes hard core, I almost have to be a hard core Believer. My quest is not the satisfaction of the immediate goal. You know, what I do now has to be good for the hereafter.
There is that line that I can not cross. I can not support the gay candidate. He can be the most wonderful person in the world. He can do a lot for the community. But, there is the line that I can not cross.
And it really goes back to the fact that we have made masjids empty places. The masjid is the center of the social obligations. Make demands as a congregation on the self-serving ones to enjoin good and forbid evil.
We make everything so complicated.
Did I make any sense. We Muslims have to stop being apologetic to the GLBTQ agenda. Someone has to be correct and not politically correct.
Brother Malcolm to start.
And do not get me wrong. I fully understand you view on the self-serving ones.
You are making it hard on me but here goes.
It is my understanding in serving Allah subhana wa taala we always have to look at the big picture. The bottom line can be reduced to questioning ourselves about the greater good.
In my obedience to Allah, and this is where it becomes hard core, I almost have to be a hard core Believer. My quest is not the satisfaction of the immediate goal. You know, what I do now has to be good for the hereafter.
There is that line that I can not cross. I can not support the gay candidate. He can be the most wonderful person in the world. He can do a lot for the community. But, there is the line that I can not cross.
And it really goes back to the fact that we have made masjids empty places. The masjid is the center of the social obligations. Make demands as a congregation on the self-serving ones to enjoin good and forbid evil.
We make everything so complicated.
Did I make any sense. We Muslims have to stop being apologetic to the GLBTQ agenda. Someone has to be correct and not politically correct.
i support u, my brother. jazaakallah khara for your kind heart
John Smith
Junior Member
But were they fat? thats whats the topic right?
John Smith
Junior Member
Woooosh! come again?
Assalaam alaikum,
You asked if the people of Sodom and Gomorrah were fat. I responded if they were we would need to coin a new term for obese GLBTQ and add an O. ( Gay, Lesbian, Transgender, Questioning( Queer). If they were obese we would have to add an O.
The GLBTQ's have political agenda and committees to empower them and bend the laws to help them.
You asked if the people of Sodom and Gomorrah were fat. I responded if they were we would need to coin a new term for obese GLBTQ and add an O. ( Gay, Lesbian, Transgender, Questioning( Queer). If they were obese we would have to add an O.
The GLBTQ's have political agenda and committees to empower them and bend the laws to help them.
sister herb
Official TTI Chef
Salam alaykum
Is being transgender as sin? Isn´t this that person has feeling she/he has bornt to wrong gender? And Aapa please, stop call someome (Oba
ma) a gay if you really can´t prove he is a gay!
Is being transgender as sin? Isn´t this that person has feeling she/he has bornt to wrong gender? And Aapa please, stop call someome (Oba
ma) a gay if you really can´t prove he is a gay!