The words we chose to use

trying2learn

Junior Member
Assalamu aliakum, I hope every one is well.

With all the hype that has been in the media lately, I urge everyone, Muslim and non-Muslim alike to choose their wording carefully. I have been reading several sources since Sunday, and the verbal attack on the blanket statement “America” or “Americans” has been used quite a bit. I urge everyone to be mindful, and respect that there are 300 million+ people who call America home, and to lay blame on any action or lack of action taken by our government to not be forced upon the shoulders of every day American citizens. In my own personal life I can tell you all, I was born and raised Presbyterian Christian, and tried to make friends with everyone, adhering to our constitution that all men are created equal and the fact that we have freedom here to practice our religions as we deem fit. As a matter of truth, post 9/11 here, when fears were at the highest I defended Islam and got into many verbal altercations about the difference of average Muslims and those who are labeled extremists. I sat as a previous boyfriend threatened to beat up a Muslim family we saw enter a gas station. I warned him to stop, and to not get out of the car, for they were just ordinary people that were traveling with their two small daughters. He did not listen and tried to exit the car, at which time I took action and punched him in the mouth. I regret turning to violence but in my heart I could not allow small children to see such hate. I later went on to meet my future husband, who is Muslim. I love him and his family very much. I hope that our children will not grow up with a stigma attached to them for they do not need to grow up thinking people in their own country dislike them for being Muslim, and their fellow Muslims across the globe dislike them for being American. How do you respond to a child when they ask why no one seems to like them? This is a question that was asked of me by step-daughter. I told her, that it was not that no one liked her, it was that people dislike fear of what they do not understand, and that it was our job to teach them what was correct so that the fear turned into knowledge. There are many, many Muslims who live here, were born here, and who have moved here to America. I urge everyone, no matter their religion to educate themselves, and learn to coexist in peace so that our daughters here can attend school without fear to wear hijab. I had many friends as I was growing up, I had friends of all different religions, I had a friend who was a Hindu, a friend who was Catholic, a friend who was Mormon, a friend who was Jewish. We could all be friends because no one of them forced their opinions on the other; instead we focused on school work, and learning from one another. Even now, I have friends who were raised Catholic but now find themselves to be atheist. They accept me, my husband and my children. They do not bad mouth Islam, instead when they have a question they ask us. I have managed to make a small difference in my little corner of the world, but regrettably I have some members of my own family who hold fast to their ignorance and their false knowledge, and do not accept my choice of husband or to raise my children as Muslims. This I know will be an uphill battle, for some people are so steadfast in their own ignorance teaching them is like trying to move a mountain with bare hands. I wish they would listen, and I pray they come around, for one of these people is my own father. Religion is a truth of the heart, when your heart realizes the truth it seeks out what is right, thus my heart led me to Islam, my love for Allah, and my desire to be Muslim, tore my family apart yet it has not dissuaded me in my deen. I hope that American’s can truly comprehend, sometime in the near future that Islam is a religion of peace, so that my children will not have to grow up in a world full of turmoil, but grow to be accepted as who they are and the religion the exercise. So please, for the sake of the small Muslims here, choose words carefully so they do not grow up thinking they have nowhere and no group to belong to, show them love and that no one no matter what country they live in, have power over what their governments chose to do or not to do, but we see people as people, not as their government.
I write this with love and concern, in no way am I trying to create anger in anyone's mind and heart, I write this as a concerned mother.
 

justoneofmillion

Junior Member
Assalamu aliakum, I hope every one is well.

With all the hype that has been in the media lately, I urge everyone, Muslim and non-Muslim alike to choose their wording carefully. I have been reading several sources since Sunday, and the verbal attack on the blanket statement “America” or “Americans” has been used quite a bit. I urge everyone to be mindful, and respect that there are 300 million+ people who call America home, and to lay blame on any action or lack of action taken by our government to not be forced upon the shoulders of every day American citizens. In my own personal life I can tell you all, I was born and raised Presbyterian Christian, and tried to make friends with everyone, adhering to our constitution that all men are created equal and the fact that we have freedom here to practice our religions as we deem fit. As a matter of truth, post 9/11 here, when fears were at the highest I defended Islam and got into many verbal altercations about the difference of average Muslims and those who are labeled extremists. I sat as a previous boyfriend threatened to beat up a Muslim family we saw enter a gas station. I warned him to stop, and to not get out of the car, for they were just ordinary people that were traveling with their two small daughters. He did not listen and tried to exit the car, at which time I took action and punched him in the mouth. I regret turning to violence but in my heart I could not allow small children to see such hate. I later went on to meet my future husband, who is Muslim. I love him and his family very much. I hope that our children will not grow up with a stigma attached to them for they do not need to grow up thinking people in their own country dislike them for being Muslim, and their fellow Muslims across the globe dislike them for being American. How do you respond to a child when they ask why no one seems to like them? This is a question that was asked of me by step-daughter. I told her, that it was not that no one liked her, it was that people dislike fear of what they do not understand, and that it was our job to teach them what was correct so that the fear turned into knowledge. There are many, many Muslims who live here, were born here, and who have moved here to America. I urge everyone, no matter their religion to educate themselves, and learn to coexist in peace so that our daughters here can attend school without fear to wear hijab. I had many friends as I was growing up, I had friends of all different religions, I had a friend who was a Hindu, a friend who was Catholic, a friend who was Mormon, a friend who was Jewish. We could all be friends because no one of them forced their opinions on the other; instead we focused on school work, and learning from one another. Even now, I have friends who were raised Catholic but now find themselves to be atheist. They accept me, my husband and my children. They do not bad mouth Islam, instead when they have a question they ask us. I have managed to make a small difference in my little corner of the world, but regrettably I have some members of my own family who hold fast to their ignorance and their false knowledge, and do not accept my choice of husband or to raise my children as Muslims. This I know will be an uphill battle, for some people are so steadfast in their own ignorance teaching them is like trying to move a mountain with bare hands. I wish they would listen, and I pray they come around, for one of these people is my own father. Religion is a truth of the heart, when your heart realizes the truth it seeks out what is right, thus my heart led me to Islam, my love for Allah, and my desire to be Muslim, tore my family apart yet it has not dissuaded me in my deen. I hope that American’s can truly comprehend, sometime in the near future that Islam is a religion of peace, so that my children will not have to grow up in a world full of turmoil, but grow to be accepted as who they are and the religion the exercise. So please, for the sake of the small Muslims here, choose words carefully so they do not grow up thinking they have nowhere and no group to belong to, show them love and that no one no matter what country they live in, have power over what their governments chose to do or not to do, but we see people as people, not as their government.
I write this with love and concern, in no way am I trying to create anger in anyone's mind and heart, I write this as a concerned mother.
:salam2:

We do not hate Americans for where they happen to be born or what piece of the Map they happen to be living in, this is plain silly.

My wife Is a born bread Native, Irish American and if i hated her, never would I have married her or accepted that she speaks with an accent from the Nose that makes me laugh.
I love her more than anything ,I don't even think that man has ever loved woman this much,I can not even imagine her being harmed,I would go crazy and fight anybody for her safety Muslim or non ,and this just reminds of how a Palestinian ,an Iraqi and afghan father ,husband or brother might feel when on of his dear ones are assembled in pieces after a U.S or an Israeli bombardment ,these are two different issues.

I hate what the U.S government is doing that is a fact ,a lot of well informed ,educated and conscious Americans Muslim and non Muslim do aswell,This is a very uncontroversial issue.

I agree with a lot of what you said but I beg to disagree on thinking that human beings can not generally discern in their majority what is just from blatant oppression.May Allah bless your children and your family.

 

Idris16

Junior Member
Bismillâh

Well there's a quote Iv'e seen going like this.

``An American Muslim is more beloved to us than an Arab Kâfir´´

But the thing is we don't dislike Americans just because they are Americans. I personally don't like Americans. They believe that they are the good poor guys that get attacked by ''Terrorists'' for no apparent reason. My classmate told me Usâmah Ibn Lâdin started with 9/11. So I asked my classmate, for what reason? Did everything start on 9/11 or way before it?

Can someone please tell if Muslims were responsible for 9/11... then why did they do so?
 

Idris16

Junior Member
again you generalize all of America for the thoughts of some, not every American looks at themselves as victims
My mind only have pictures of two people and that's Muslims and kuffâr. So if an American is a Muslim then that's my beloved brother or respected sister!

In Africa like Nigeria, the Muslims are killed by kuffâr. In China Muslims are killed by kuffâr. In Caucasuc, Muslims are killed by kuffâr. There's not a single country where Muslims kill kuffâr in great number. It's funny when I hear copts being treated bad in Egypt when I have been there myself. And I've seen Copts live there peacefully.
 

Asja

Pearl of Islaam
Cause we are "Kaffir" and "Kaffirs" are to be hated because they do not love Allah or Mohammad and it is the duty of Muslims to kill them.......

Assalamu allaicum wa raahmtullah wa baarkatuhu dear sister "trying2learn"

May Allah reword you for your thread,and I agree with you sister that we should not call all Americans with the same name or consider tham all fault for killing of our innnocent Muslim brothers and sisters. But it is correct if we say that some people of America, exactly Americans are fault for supporting Goverment of America who does kill our Muslim brothers and sisters and support other countries in doing the same against us Muslims. I agree with you dear sister that we should take care of our feelings and our words, because we never know how our words can affect on someone feelings if that persone is maybe not Muslim and has a family who are also not Muslims but are not fault for anything, especialy because we are Muslims and we always need to use beautiful and truthfull words for the sake of Allah.

See you not how Allah sets forth a parable? - A goodly word as a goodly tree, whose root is firmly fixed, and its branches (reach) to the sky (i.e. very high).

Giving its fruit at all times, by the Leave of its Lord and Allah sets forth parables for mankind in order that they may remember.

And the parable of an evil word is that of an evil tree uprooted from the surface of earth having no stability. ( Surah Ibrahim, ayah 24-26)


Dear Jennifer, you should aslo not consider us Muslims the same and generalize things that we all think that it is our duty to kill Kaffirs because they are not Muslims, because that is not truth Alhamdulillah. Duty of Muslims is only to give dawah about Islaam,and to defend ourselves from attacks from Kaffirs, but not to kill those who are innoccent, because that it has nothing to do with Islaam. Islaam is teaching us to respect and value every human life does not metter is he Muslim or not,and how are his or hers beliefs. Even you can find in the Quraan and Hadeeh that Allah and our Prophet mohammed sallahu alayha wa salam thought us that we should take care of needs of other people and help them if they are in need of our help does not metter if they are not Muslims. Alhamdulillah that is our deen Islam.

May Allah forgive me if I said anything wrong and may Allah keep us on the right path, the path with who He is pleased. Ameen Ya Rabby.

Assalamu allaicum wa raahmatullah wa baarkatuhu
 

justoneofmillion

Junior Member
Assalamu aliakum, I hope every one is well.

With all the hype that has been in the media lately, I urge everyone, Muslim and non-Muslim alike to choose their wording carefully. I have been reading several sources since Sunday, and the verbal attack on the blanket statement “America” or “Americans” has been used quite a bit. I urge everyone to be mindful, and respect that there are 300 million+ people who call America home, and to lay blame on any action or lack of action taken by our government to not be forced upon the shoulders of every day American citizens. In my own personal life I can tell you all, I was born and raised Presbyterian Christian, and tried to make friends with everyone, adhering to our constitution that all men are created equal and the fact that we have freedom here to practice our religions as we deem fit. As a matter of truth, post 9/11 here, when fears were at the highest I defended Islam and got into many verbal altercations about the difference of average Muslims and those who are labeled extremists. I sat as a previous boyfriend threatened to beat up a Muslim family we saw enter a gas station. I warned him to stop, and to not get out of the car, for they were just ordinary people that were traveling with their two small daughters. He did not listen and tried to exit the car, at which time I took action and punched him in the mouth. I regret turning to violence but in my heart I could not allow small children to see such hate. I later went on to meet my future husband, who is Muslim. I love him and his family very much. I hope that our children will not grow up with a stigma attached to them for they do not need to grow up thinking people in their own country dislike them for being Muslim, and their fellow Muslims across the globe dislike them for being American. How do you respond to a child when they ask why no one seems to like them? This is a question that was asked of me by step-daughter. I told her, that it was not that no one liked her, it was that people dislike fear of what they do not understand, and that it was our job to teach them what was correct so that the fear turned into knowledge. There are many, many Muslims who live here, were born here, and who have moved here to America. I urge everyone, no matter their religion to educate themselves, and learn to coexist in peace so that our daughters here can attend school without fear to wear hijab. I had many friends as I was growing up, I had friends of all different religions, I had a friend who was a Hindu, a friend who was Catholic, a friend who was Mormon, a friend who was Jewish. We could all be friends because no one of them forced their opinions on the other; instead we focused on school work, and learning from one another. Even now, I have friends who were raised Catholic but now find themselves to be atheist. They accept me, my husband and my children. They do not bad mouth Islam, instead when they have a question they ask us. I have managed to make a small difference in my little corner of the world, but regrettably I have some members of my own family who hold fast to their ignorance and their false knowledge, and do not accept my choice of husband or to raise my children as Muslims. This I know will be an uphill battle, for some people are so steadfast in their own ignorance teaching them is like trying to move a mountain with bare hands. I wish they would listen, and I pray they come around, for one of these people is my own father. Religion is a truth of the heart, when your heart realizes the truth it seeks out what is right, thus my heart led me to Islam, my love for Allah, and my desire to be Muslim, tore my family apart yet it has not dissuaded me in my deen. I hope that American’s can truly comprehend, sometime in the near future that Islam is a religion of peace, so that my children will not have to grow up in a world full of turmoil, but grow to be accepted as who they are and the religion the exercise. So please, for the sake of the small Muslims here, choose words carefully so they do not grow up thinking they have nowhere and no group to belong to, show them love and that no one no matter what country they live in, have power over what their governments chose to do or not to do, but we see people as people, not as their government.
I write this with love and concern, in no way am I trying to create anger in anyone's mind and heart, I write this as a concerned mother.
:salam2:You seem like a sincere sister and mother that speaks from the heart mashallah.I am a little dismayed for the turn the thread took .You were honest in your approach and for that I thank you .This is unfortunately a very sensitive issue,it takes one foolish comment to polarize matters,the issue is simple but not to be defined as simplistic.I understand your point, a lot of your Muslim brothers and sisters do aswell,it only makes one's life more difficult to be in conflict with his or her neighbor. I live in a non Muslim majority country just like you,I know what you mean.Put your trust in Allah swt whatever he wishes will happen anyways.There is a design behind all of this nothing is left uncounted.In any case may he protect you and yours and grant you a harmonious coexistence wherever you guys wish to be.

The French quote mean"When the cat is not there ,the mice dance"it is just a famous folks saying.

PS.You better get some wishing well back from me Appa, this was cat like, am a male cat I don't like arguing much with females unless I have to.:)Alhamdulillah.
 

arzafar

Junior Member
there are kaafir countries who have never harmed the muslims and allow their citizens to practice islam freely. eg. new zealand, all of south America, most of Scandinavia.

These kaafir countries rarely get any spotlight even though there are many muslims living in sizable minority in these regions. However, no muslim terrorist/alqaeeda/taliban/militant/extremist ever attacked these countries.

However, other kaafir countries like America, Russia, Britain, India, Israel have done something over a prolonged period of time to gain the anger/hate of muslims. i mean if you can't see that, well then you should get your eyes and/or brain tested.

With particular reference to America, nobody can dispute the fact that this super power has caused the greatest number of civilian casualties since WWII. This includes a few million muslims.

Now America is a democracy (unlike say russia). That's their sales pitch anyway. It means that the US government represents the will and wishes of the American people. I cant for one believe that the US govt has been acting against the wishes of their people for the last 50 years. if the US public is ignorant of their govt's actions, it is their fault!

Oh and one more time, it is haram for muslims to stay in kaafir lands unless there is a very specific need. it is also haram to
1) pay allegiance to a kaafir ruler
2) support/finance kaafirs against islam
3) prefer kaafir over muslims for staying

Finally, i dont ever blame kaafirs for muslims' problems, i blame muslims always. This is something that plagues muslims. Whenever something bad happens, it's either Zionist, America, Israel, India. Thing is you know what you will get from a kaafir. They are the same as they were fourteen hundred years ago. In fact, if you go back to earlier times, you can identify the exact similarities between kuffar of today and those in the times of Moses or even Noah.

same insults/slurs
same hypocritical arguments
same stubbornness
and off course same fear of the truth/believers

However, today, it is the believers/muslims (myself included) who have to sort themselves out.
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walaikum,

I am well enough but old enough to understand the need to start thinking about the next stage in our life-cycle. I want, Insha'Allah, a lot of room in my grave and am trying to plant the seeds for that.

Our Quran gives us the words to use. In a hadeeth there was a woman who responded only by reciting the words of the Quran. Were I that knowledgeable.

To the sister who started this post. Have no fear. Your faith will open paths. Let not the words of others give you pain. If that were the case I would be dead. I just count the blessings of Allah subhana talla. You are correct in asking everyone to use the best of manners. That is our Islamic duty. You lead by example to those you can reach. Become an active participant in your community. That is our duty, as well.

Sister, trust me, your community respects you. The behavior of the men changes. They see the blessings of Allah upon you. The neighborhood knows you are a Muslim woman and they know to leave you alone. They say: This is a Muslim woman and bow there heads.

Yes, it hurts when global issues beyond our control get hyped and we end up in a battlefield in our back yards. Read the last two ayats of Sura al-Baqara every night.

The Prophet taught us to be forgiving. Teach your children the beauty of the correct Path. Islam is very pragmatic and helps to train the mind with intense acumen.

And you are right Jameel..it is not correct for a man to argue with women. I honor this.
 

Salam2You

Lil' Muslimah
SubhanAllah ...Most threads I've clicked on so far have a long argument underneath.

Please stop it. We're suppose to unite as one ummah :(
 

Shak78

Junior Member
Bismillâh

Well there's a quote Iv'e seen going like this.

``An American Muslim is more beloved to us than an Arab Kâfir´´

But the thing is we don't dislike Americans just because they are Americans. I personally don't like Americans. They believe that they are the good poor guys that get attacked by ''Terrorists'' for no apparent reason. My classmate told me Usâmah Ibn Lâdin started with 9/11. So I asked my classmate, for what reason? Did everything start on 9/11 or way before it?

Can someone please tell if Muslims were responsible for 9/11... then why did they do so?

Wow, how many Americans out of 300 million have you met. That kind of sweeping generalization about millions of people you have never met. its like saying all Muslims are terrorists or all Catholic priests like little boys. That is wrong and close minded.
 

auroran

Junior Member
:salam2:

I agree with ukhti Salam2You...too much arguments. Akhi if you see people as in that way (Muslim and kuffar) then why is there the third category...American kuffar.

:salam2:
 

justoneofmillion

Junior Member
:salam2:I apologize sincerely to the thread starter,her post was very meaningful ,that is why I first answered to it.Afterwards somebody had to ruin it,I couldn't let go reading such lies.
Allah swt knows I have closed an eye many times by reading outrageous theories from the same user,the same things I hear more than often in antagonist medias,this time around it was too much.I used to chat in here once in a while and share my view with the fellas not to hear that nonsense coming out of mainstream medias. I guess invasion has become a tendency everywhere lately.Muslims mean no harm to anybody ,they just wanna be left alone to live the way they believe is right.Trade with people like Ron Paul said,don't invade them ,don't threaten them,don't rob them ,they will have no reason to despise you none of them will.

Sister tryingtolearn, no believing Muslim will dislike your children for being American especially if they are Muslim,it is a no go.May Allah swt make of them good Muslims
 

Kakorot

Junior Member
We Muslims don't like it when people generalize against us; therefore, we too should not do the same to others. This especially goes for those who have never met a non-Muslim, be they American or whatever, because I can tell you that in real life there are a lot of non-Muslims who are open-minded, kind and respect other people, regardless of their religion or background.
 
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