Israel Vs Iran
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John Smith
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I think they should get on with it and stop playing around,as long as no sunni arab state is affected by the actions of the isareli then so be it,i know the iranians love to stir trouble for arabs and some arab states privately would loook the other way if the israelis could do a job.
Im tired of the iranian influence in Iraq,Syria,Afghanistan,Lebanon,Bahrain,kuwait and other arab states,the iranians love to cause mischief in the land of arabs.
Sorry to offend anyone but i call a spade a spade.
Im tired of the iranian influence in Iraq,Syria,Afghanistan,Lebanon,Bahrain,kuwait and other arab states,the iranians love to cause mischief in the land of arabs.
Sorry to offend anyone but i call a spade a spade.
Assalaam walaikum
I do believe that my heart has just been broken...( I love Iran..)
The instructive word is hegemony. It's like a bizarre chess game.
I have read the latest news analysis and it's pointing to more bloodshed.
I do not know if I understand what the motivations behind the chess games are; is it just lust for blood?
Who are we serving? Has the ego become so enlarged that we forget our purpose in this life?
It is as if I have read the manifesto and am watching the movie from it..lies and corruption..and what makes it so evil is everyone is lying to themselves in the name of faith.
I do believe that my heart has just been broken...( I love Iran..)
The instructive word is hegemony. It's like a bizarre chess game.
I have read the latest news analysis and it's pointing to more bloodshed.
I do not know if I understand what the motivations behind the chess games are; is it just lust for blood?
Who are we serving? Has the ego become so enlarged that we forget our purpose in this life?
It is as if I have read the manifesto and am watching the movie from it..lies and corruption..and what makes it so evil is everyone is lying to themselves in the name of faith.
:salam2:
End of the Iran regime would cause more problems than it solves. Do you know how much power the west and Israel would gain? Do you think a new regime in Iran would love Islam?
John Smith
Junior Member
Iran is the very reason why we have american troops in afghanistan and iraq,they were in cahoots with the west to remove goverments that were a threat to thier influence in the region,iran has made a rod for its own back.
Im not asking any regime to love islam each to their own but they should not meddle in the affairs of arabs which the iranians constantley do to undermime goverments,just look at bahrain,Kuwait and even recently in saudia arabia.
Nothing against the people of iran just thier pathetic goverment and ayatollahs if i have spelt that correct.
Got no time for an ideology that hates the companions of the prophet (pbuh) so blatently.
Assalaam walaikum,
Yet these very issues that are being discussed are not a Johnny come lately. As I review the history books they have been described.
I thought America was in Iraq to dismantle the weapons of mass destruction. No act of Congress declared war. The American people were duped, as usual.
As for Afghanistan, it is for the minerals and resources as is the need to send troops into Africa. It was laid out almost thirty years ago with the Aid to Africa bill.
Has really anything changed. Is this not the Romans all over again?
And you are absolutely, 100% correct what does this have to do with the Love and Fear of Allah.
Our pious predecessors did not think about meddling. They thought about serving Allah subhana wa taala as the Prophet, may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, taught us to do.
Yet these very issues that are being discussed are not a Johnny come lately. As I review the history books they have been described.
I thought America was in Iraq to dismantle the weapons of mass destruction. No act of Congress declared war. The American people were duped, as usual.
As for Afghanistan, it is for the minerals and resources as is the need to send troops into Africa. It was laid out almost thirty years ago with the Aid to Africa bill.
Has really anything changed. Is this not the Romans all over again?
And you are absolutely, 100% correct what does this have to do with the Love and Fear of Allah.
Our pious predecessors did not think about meddling. They thought about serving Allah subhana wa taala as the Prophet, may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, taught us to do.
Seeker-of-truth
Junior Member
iran is a very bad country they are very sly and have their own agenda
ShahnazZ
Striving2BeAStranger
These trigger-happy bloodthirsty idiots want to attack Iran so badly. I wonder how much of the recent "revelations" are even true...
Yes because we all know how angelic the Arab nations are. Iran is totally forcing them to enact greed and corruption. Just like it forced Abeddin, Saleh, Mubarak, Qaddhafi and Assad to commit violent atrocities against their own people. That was all Iran right there and without them, there won't be so much as even a sneeze in the Middle East.
Yeah let's just blame big bad Persia. After all, it's not like the Arabs can think for themselves.
And Afghanistan isn't an Arab state.
Yes because we all know how angelic the Arab nations are. Iran is totally forcing them to enact greed and corruption. Just like it forced Abeddin, Saleh, Mubarak, Qaddhafi and Assad to commit violent atrocities against their own people. That was all Iran right there and without them, there won't be so much as even a sneeze in the Middle East.
Yeah let's just blame big bad Persia. After all, it's not like the Arabs can think for themselves.
And Afghanistan isn't an Arab state.
Assalaam walaikum,
Oh sister...I think you wish me to be banned
In terms of politics...the Arabs are not known as thinkers...think about the Seven Pillars of Wisdom...
Afghanistan has always been the land that none could conquer and all have tried from Alexander to the Yankee...
It is not the politician that recognizes the greatness of the Afghan but the scholar.
Iran vs. Israel...that is a no-brainer..and if you have to think this one out..Allah help you.
Oh sister...I think you wish me to be banned
In terms of politics...the Arabs are not known as thinkers...think about the Seven Pillars of Wisdom...
Afghanistan has always been the land that none could conquer and all have tried from Alexander to the Yankee...
It is not the politician that recognizes the greatness of the Afghan but the scholar.
Iran vs. Israel...that is a no-brainer..and if you have to think this one out..Allah help you.
Seeker-of-truth
Junior Member
umm why are you swearing, the iranians are partly to blame for Assad and the rest is not in their best interests, they are very snakey people. Their slander of the Sahaba is enough to hate them, I hate them, they are despicable
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Assalaam walaikum,
I came across this article..the author has balanced views:
Saturday, November 12, 2011
The Brutal Murder of Gaddafi and the Implications for All Those Who Stand in the Way of the War Criminals
Toe the Line or be the Next Victim of Colonial Plunder!
by Matthias Chang
Global Research
Gaddafi died a martyr, murdered by the war criminals of US, France, Britain and NATO led by President Obama, President Sarkozy and Prime Minister Cameron. Although NATO spearheaded the military campaign against Libya, the strategic planning was prepared by US Africa Command (AFRICOM).
AFRICOM was set up to further the US interest in Africa, more precisely the Global Military-Industrial-Financial Complex’s interests in securing and plundering the resources of Africa. Behind AFRICOM’s curtain are the hidden hands of Zionist Israel.
The first victim of this agenda is Libya.
When the UN Security Council sanctioned the attack on Libya under the guise of imposing a No-Fly zone to protect the alleged killing of civilians by Gaddafi who was fighting an armed rebellion supported and financed by the abovementioned war criminals, Russia and China could have vetoed the resolution and thwart the destruction and plunder of Libya.
But these two permanent members of the Security Council caved in and abstained.
China has a major presence in Libya and her intelligence services would have known whether Gaddafi enjoyed wide popular support from his people. The Libyan government was stable and successful in implementing development projects for the benefit of the people. It was the most developed country in the entire African continent and Gaddafi’s efforts were duly recognised by the UN weeks before the barbaric aerial bombardment of Libya.
China invested billions of dollars in Libya.
Yet, without a whimper of resistance at the highest diplomatic level, she evacuated 30,000 Chinese workers from Libya and left in a hurry. China and Russia knew in advance that there would be an undeclared war against Libya. Everything was up for grabs!
Even after the full invasion and wanton destruction of Libya, China and Russia made perfunctory and lame criticisms of NATO’s criminal actions. Surely, it cannot be said that Russia and China were misled by the war criminals that they had no intentions to destroy Libya and oust Gaddafi and to seize the oil resources. They must have known that war preparations were in place long before the matter came before the UN Security Council. That was their excuse in not vetoing the UN Security Council resolution authorising NATO’s military action. A load of rubbish.
So why did China and Russia cave in? This is the US$ trillion question.
It reminds me of the story of a man who owed a debt of gratitude to two rival gangs. The man was asked by the more notorious gang to assassinate the leader of the other gang but the attempt failed. When confronted by the victim as to the reasons to be the hired killer, the man replied that he owed a greater debt of gratitude to the other gang leader.
Libya under Gaddafi welcomed China with open arms, but China turned a blind eye to the destruction of Libya because she owed a greater debt of gratitude to Zionist Israel and the global financial elites for past favours, as well as narrow selfinterests. China had too much toilet paper money (US Federal Reserve notes) and the sale of Libyan oil in the intended gold dinar by Gaddafi would literally destroy the US dollar. This cannot be allowed! Period!
The same can be said of Sarkozy and Tony Blair and his copycat Cameron. They all turned their backs on Gaddafi for the same reasons.
It must be said that the leading members of the African Union were courageous enough to make a stand against the invasion and wanton destruction and did not extend “recognition” to NATO’s quisling regime until forced by circumstances to do so. Members of the Arab League and the OIC were cowards and opportunists and they pride themselves as righteous Muslims. But Qatar must be singled out for special condemnation. Can anyone still believe that Al-Jazeera is the voice of the Arab / Muslim communities? Until exposed as the barking dog of NATO, Al-Jazeera was the major “Arab” propaganda tool to demonise Gaddafi and to misrepresent the actual situation in Libya – an armed rebellion financed by war criminals. Al-Qaeda played a leading role in the armed rebellion.
Iran, Syria and Lebanon should learn from this experience and the mistakes of Gaddafi. They are the next targets of the Zionists / Neo-Conservatives global agenda. If they entertain any thoughts of making compromises with these war criminals, by abandoning their right of self-defence and to be armed with every conceivable weapon, including nuclear weapons, they will end up like Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi. In defending their country, all options should be on the table in like manner as the war criminals have declared in their war agenda against them. They will collapse one by one like dominoes if they strategise otherwise!
To the leaders of countries under immediate threat as well as those on the fringes, your previous strategy of inviting China and Russia to invest on preferential basis and to purchase massive amount of arms to counter-balance the threat of the Zionist Anglo-American Axis will no longer be effective because US$ billions worth of investments and military purchase count for nothing when US$ trillions worth of foreign reserves are at stake.
The investing countries will run for cover for short-term preservation and will not be willing to commit their resources for a military conflict unless and until they themselves are under a direct threat. This is a given. To the leaders of China and Russia – this is your wake up call. Stop strutting like a peacock just because you have abundant dollar reserves. The Federal Reserve Notes are all toilet papers and will not be bargaining chips when the deal placed on the table is - surrender or war.
There is still time yet to mount a Global Counter-Alliance against this fascist triad of Israel / US / UK war criminals.
As for Iran and Turkey, stop aspiring to be regional powers, as you cannot hope to achieve this grand vision so long as Zionist Israel continues to wag the US dog. Be realistic. Without nuclear weapons as a deterrent, and revolutionary social forces on your side, global public opinion cannot be mobilised to first isolate and then annihilate your enemies. Turkey cannot take comfort that as a member of NATO it will be immune to the machinations of the war criminals.
The countdown has started.
The new normal and preferred mode of regime change is to use the pretext of Humanitarian Intervention as a cover for outright military intervention.
In the African continent, it will be U.S. Africa Command (AFRICOM) as the Planner and NATO as the military Bully.
In the next escalation in the Middle East and South Asia wars (i.e. the overspill from Afghanistan to Pakistan), U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) will be the Planner and the combined might of NATO, Israel and Arab Lackeys will provide the military manpower.
In South-East Asia and the Pacific, U.S Pacific Command (USPACOM) will lead and coordinate all military campaigns.
In South America, the U.S. Southern Command (USSOUTHCOM) will plan and lead, with narco states providing the ground troops.
In all of the above war scenarios, mercenaries and special forces will be in the forefront in fomenting sectarian wars and religious armed conflicts.
2012 will usher in The World War of the 21st Century – the perverse solution of the war criminals in their futile attempt to overcome the final phase of the Global Financial Tsunami!
Matthias Chang is a distinguished Malaysian lawyer, author and adviser to former Prime Minister Dr. Tun Mahathir Mohamad
http://poorrichards-blog.blogspot.com/2011/11/brutal-murder-of-gaddafi-and.html
I came across this article..the author has balanced views:
Saturday, November 12, 2011
The Brutal Murder of Gaddafi and the Implications for All Those Who Stand in the Way of the War Criminals
Toe the Line or be the Next Victim of Colonial Plunder!
by Matthias Chang
Global Research
Gaddafi died a martyr, murdered by the war criminals of US, France, Britain and NATO led by President Obama, President Sarkozy and Prime Minister Cameron. Although NATO spearheaded the military campaign against Libya, the strategic planning was prepared by US Africa Command (AFRICOM).
AFRICOM was set up to further the US interest in Africa, more precisely the Global Military-Industrial-Financial Complex’s interests in securing and plundering the resources of Africa. Behind AFRICOM’s curtain are the hidden hands of Zionist Israel.
The first victim of this agenda is Libya.
When the UN Security Council sanctioned the attack on Libya under the guise of imposing a No-Fly zone to protect the alleged killing of civilians by Gaddafi who was fighting an armed rebellion supported and financed by the abovementioned war criminals, Russia and China could have vetoed the resolution and thwart the destruction and plunder of Libya.
But these two permanent members of the Security Council caved in and abstained.
China has a major presence in Libya and her intelligence services would have known whether Gaddafi enjoyed wide popular support from his people. The Libyan government was stable and successful in implementing development projects for the benefit of the people. It was the most developed country in the entire African continent and Gaddafi’s efforts were duly recognised by the UN weeks before the barbaric aerial bombardment of Libya.
China invested billions of dollars in Libya.
Yet, without a whimper of resistance at the highest diplomatic level, she evacuated 30,000 Chinese workers from Libya and left in a hurry. China and Russia knew in advance that there would be an undeclared war against Libya. Everything was up for grabs!
Even after the full invasion and wanton destruction of Libya, China and Russia made perfunctory and lame criticisms of NATO’s criminal actions. Surely, it cannot be said that Russia and China were misled by the war criminals that they had no intentions to destroy Libya and oust Gaddafi and to seize the oil resources. They must have known that war preparations were in place long before the matter came before the UN Security Council. That was their excuse in not vetoing the UN Security Council resolution authorising NATO’s military action. A load of rubbish.
So why did China and Russia cave in? This is the US$ trillion question.
It reminds me of the story of a man who owed a debt of gratitude to two rival gangs. The man was asked by the more notorious gang to assassinate the leader of the other gang but the attempt failed. When confronted by the victim as to the reasons to be the hired killer, the man replied that he owed a greater debt of gratitude to the other gang leader.
Libya under Gaddafi welcomed China with open arms, but China turned a blind eye to the destruction of Libya because she owed a greater debt of gratitude to Zionist Israel and the global financial elites for past favours, as well as narrow selfinterests. China had too much toilet paper money (US Federal Reserve notes) and the sale of Libyan oil in the intended gold dinar by Gaddafi would literally destroy the US dollar. This cannot be allowed! Period!
The same can be said of Sarkozy and Tony Blair and his copycat Cameron. They all turned their backs on Gaddafi for the same reasons.
It must be said that the leading members of the African Union were courageous enough to make a stand against the invasion and wanton destruction and did not extend “recognition” to NATO’s quisling regime until forced by circumstances to do so. Members of the Arab League and the OIC were cowards and opportunists and they pride themselves as righteous Muslims. But Qatar must be singled out for special condemnation. Can anyone still believe that Al-Jazeera is the voice of the Arab / Muslim communities? Until exposed as the barking dog of NATO, Al-Jazeera was the major “Arab” propaganda tool to demonise Gaddafi and to misrepresent the actual situation in Libya – an armed rebellion financed by war criminals. Al-Qaeda played a leading role in the armed rebellion.
Iran, Syria and Lebanon should learn from this experience and the mistakes of Gaddafi. They are the next targets of the Zionists / Neo-Conservatives global agenda. If they entertain any thoughts of making compromises with these war criminals, by abandoning their right of self-defence and to be armed with every conceivable weapon, including nuclear weapons, they will end up like Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi. In defending their country, all options should be on the table in like manner as the war criminals have declared in their war agenda against them. They will collapse one by one like dominoes if they strategise otherwise!
To the leaders of countries under immediate threat as well as those on the fringes, your previous strategy of inviting China and Russia to invest on preferential basis and to purchase massive amount of arms to counter-balance the threat of the Zionist Anglo-American Axis will no longer be effective because US$ billions worth of investments and military purchase count for nothing when US$ trillions worth of foreign reserves are at stake.
The investing countries will run for cover for short-term preservation and will not be willing to commit their resources for a military conflict unless and until they themselves are under a direct threat. This is a given. To the leaders of China and Russia – this is your wake up call. Stop strutting like a peacock just because you have abundant dollar reserves. The Federal Reserve Notes are all toilet papers and will not be bargaining chips when the deal placed on the table is - surrender or war.
There is still time yet to mount a Global Counter-Alliance against this fascist triad of Israel / US / UK war criminals.
As for Iran and Turkey, stop aspiring to be regional powers, as you cannot hope to achieve this grand vision so long as Zionist Israel continues to wag the US dog. Be realistic. Without nuclear weapons as a deterrent, and revolutionary social forces on your side, global public opinion cannot be mobilised to first isolate and then annihilate your enemies. Turkey cannot take comfort that as a member of NATO it will be immune to the machinations of the war criminals.
The countdown has started.
The new normal and preferred mode of regime change is to use the pretext of Humanitarian Intervention as a cover for outright military intervention.
In the African continent, it will be U.S. Africa Command (AFRICOM) as the Planner and NATO as the military Bully.
In the next escalation in the Middle East and South Asia wars (i.e. the overspill from Afghanistan to Pakistan), U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) will be the Planner and the combined might of NATO, Israel and Arab Lackeys will provide the military manpower.
In South-East Asia and the Pacific, U.S Pacific Command (USPACOM) will lead and coordinate all military campaigns.
In South America, the U.S. Southern Command (USSOUTHCOM) will plan and lead, with narco states providing the ground troops.
In all of the above war scenarios, mercenaries and special forces will be in the forefront in fomenting sectarian wars and religious armed conflicts.
2012 will usher in The World War of the 21st Century – the perverse solution of the war criminals in their futile attempt to overcome the final phase of the Global Financial Tsunami!
Matthias Chang is a distinguished Malaysian lawyer, author and adviser to former Prime Minister Dr. Tun Mahathir Mohamad
http://poorrichards-blog.blogspot.com/2011/11/brutal-murder-of-gaddafi-and.html
ShahnazZ
Striving2BeAStranger
Umm why do I have to blame Iran for all of the Middle East's problems?
"Partly to blame for Assad" is not even close to being responsible for the state of all the Arab nations. Jeez, wake up already. It's pathetic how no one can take responsibility for their own actions and need a scapegoat.
Feel free to sit back and cheer as the Iranians are massacred. I on the other hand will never allow myself to stoop to such a level.
You should retract that statement and foolish Article. Im not saying it because of my own personal distaste of it but because This is an Islamic Forum and we need to back Issues in the deen with textual evidences and proofs in the Understanding of the first 3 generation of the Muslims.
We can not call ANYONE a Martyr other then those mentioned in the Quran and the Sunnah. The man who wrote this did not receive "Wahi(Revelation from Allah" to claim He or She is a Martyr or Shaheed. And if he claimed he did then the man making that claim should be put the Sword for claiming he gets Wahi. I hope you yourself understand this.
Salam alaykum warahmatullah wabarakatuh my brothers and sisters!
I hope this will become the end of ''Israel''.
Funny how they blame the rafidhis but not the secularists.
It depends actually. We cant call anyone a martyr with its definite meaning. But if someone died for the Sake of Allah, such a person was called 'martyr' back then. Shaykh Bakr Abu Zayd has spoken about this issue.
Assalaam walikum,
Brothers,
If you look at the entire posting you will see that I pasted an article and I identified the link. This is not a personal view.
Brother, my purpose in submiting this article is to help Muslims formuate answers to thoughts like this. It is almost like a test question. Prior to the test the student has to be able to address the issue and seek the best of knowledge.
We need to keep the mind honed. We know we need to take knowledge with us, this is a tool to apply the intention.
Brothers,
If you look at the entire posting you will see that I pasted an article and I identified the link. This is not a personal view.
Brother, my purpose in submiting this article is to help Muslims formuate answers to thoughts like this. It is almost like a test question. Prior to the test the student has to be able to address the issue and seek the best of knowledge.
We need to keep the mind honed. We know we need to take knowledge with us, this is a tool to apply the intention.
Seeker-of-truth
Junior Member
I will sit back and cheer when I receive bad news about iran, I hope iran and israel both die fighting each other. Who cares about the blame? will the whole situation change when a few rulers stand up and say sorry? whats done is done, its happened. What remains of the arab uprising is just problems caused by those disbelieving misguided shias. Their Aqeedah is disgusting, The majority of them are not muslims
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ShahnazZ
Striving2BeAStranger
Um you do? Or did I imagine you writing the bottom quote?
Sounds like blame to me.
So "what's done is done" applies to the Arab states but when it comes to the Iranians they deserve to be attacked?
Such flawed logic doesn't even surprise me anymore.
Assalaam walaikum,
I stay confused...
This one is almost funny...
Link one:http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4147219,00.html
Poll: Most Americans back Israeli strike on Iran
Some 57% of Americans say they support Israeli military action against Iran's nuke sites
and link two:http://www.presstv.ir/detail/209713.html
Poll: 85% of Americans against Iran war
I stay confused...
This one is almost funny...
Link one:http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4147219,00.html
Poll: Most Americans back Israeli strike on Iran
Some 57% of Americans say they support Israeli military action against Iran's nuke sites
and link two:http://www.presstv.ir/detail/209713.html
Poll: 85% of Americans against Iran war
Hatty
Junior Member
It has all being staged, in order to demonstrate that the Shia ruled country is a force of resistance against Israel. This, they might have believed will make the simple protesters in Syria believe that their Shia/Alawi ruler is a the correct president to rule their country. Also, to divert the attention of the media and the people away from what is going on in Syria.
Historically, the Shia and the Jews were side by side when it comes to dealing with the Sunni. They have always united against the Sunnis.
Historically, the Shia and the Jews were side by side when it comes to dealing with the Sunni. They have always united against the Sunnis.