vegangoth
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Why aren't you a Satanist? lol
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Why aren't you a Satanist? lol
Hi, as you came to an Islamic website, infact, perhaps the most strict Islamic forum on the entire internet, you will have to expect people to comment and to help you to understand that Islaam is the truth and that every other idea is falsehood.
To be tolerant, is one thing, to accept that everyone is right in their own ideas, is not. So, yes we are tolerant, Islaam commands Muslims to be not just tolerant, but, cooperative and understanding with people of other faiths. We cooperate where Islaam allows us to, and we do not cooperate (i.e. to take part in any of your religious rituals/ prayers etc) where Islaam forbids us. This is the Command of Allaah, He is creator of all of us, the creator even of what you worship.
The idea that a person has his own religion proved to them is not logical rational for it to be "the truth". Someone who worships a can of pepsi can say the same thing, that when they heard the fizz , it whispered something that changed their spiritual life.
But, we know that the pepsi can was created, and that it is unable to help anyone, rather even it can be drunk whole.
Muslims are obliged to help people not just learn and understand Islaam, but aid them into becoming Muslims. We do not hide this fact at all. Because, we are helping people away from eternal hellfire, due to the devil's evil in fooling people away from the truth.
Iblis, the devil, is one of the Jinn. He was created by Allaah, just as all other creation was. Iblis did not create nor is he capable of creating anyone.
Just because you base your ideas on some pagan book written many thousands of years ago, does not make it a correct belief.
Allaah the most High said:
I have not created Men and Jinn except that they may worship Me [Dhaariyaat 51:56]
No doubt! Verily, to Allah belongs whosoever is in the heavens and whosoever is in the earth. And those who worship and invoke others besides Allah, in fact they follow not the (Allah's so-called) partners, they follow only a conjecture and they only invent lies. Surah: Yunus (10) Aayat: 66
And surely, We have created many of the jinns and mankind for Hell. They have hearts wherewith they understand not, they have eyes wherewith they see not, and they have ears wherewith they hear not (the truth). They are like cattle, nay even more astray; those! They are the heedless ones. Surah: Al-Aa'raaf (7) Aayat: 179
and
Yet, they join the jinns as partners in worship with Allah, though He has created them (the jinns), and they attribute falsely without knowledge sons and daughters to Him. Be He Glorified and Exalted above (all) that they attribute to Him. Surah: Al-An'aam (6) Aayat: 100
and Allaah the Most High said:
Verily, those who believe (in Allah and in His Messenger Muhammad SAW), and those who are Jews, and the Sabians, and the Christians, and the Magians, and those who worship others besides Allah, truly, Allah will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection. Verily! Allah is Witness over all things.[] Surah: Al-Hajj (22) Aayat: 17
Those who remember Allah (always, and in prayers) standing, sitting, and lying down on their sides, and think deeply about the creation of the heavens and the earth, (saying): "Our Lord! You have not created (all) this without purpose, glory to You! (Exalted be You above all that they associate with You as partners). Give us salvation from the torment of the Fire. Surah: Al-'Imran (3) Aayat: 191
Allah is He Who created you, then provided food for you, then will cause you to die, then (again) He will give you life (on the Day of Resurrection). Is there any of your (so�called) partners (of Allah) that do anything of that ? Glory be to Him! And Exalted be He above all that (evil) they associate (with Him). Surah: Al-Ruum (30) Aayat: 40
Islam is not a new Religion, this message, of worshipping Allaah alone, without associating any partners to Him, has been spread and taught since the very first of Prophets, Adam, may Allaah's peace be upon him.
Both the humans and the Jinn can be Muslim. We believe in Jinn, and Iblis is from them. However, there are both good and evil jinn, just as there are good and evil humans.
The evil jinn are instructed to fool humans into doing Shirk, associating partners with Allah, or total disbelief in Allaah. They do that in various ways, including by allowing people to do fortune telling, ( they travel to the lowest boundaries of heavens and over hear what the Angels say, and then they eventually return back to earth, with a very unreliable "fortune". They glean just minute amount of truth, whilst the rest be falsehood. So, people go to these fortune tellers who use the Jinn.. and they do Shirk..
Then there are those who do Magic, and this too, is from the Jinn, as the Jinn are different to humans, they are able to move at fast speeds and are invisible, therefore, those who really do practise Magic, ( and not just mere trickery) use Jinn.. they make a pact with the devil infact. -- and we have seen, that you have admitted that many of these Satan worshippers do magic.
This is all Shirk, it is what the devil wants, and it is what fools people away from the truth, and light of Islaam.
There is much more to say, unfortunately I am limited by my time, I hope to be able to write more about this subject,inshaAllaah.
To be tolerant, is one thing, to accept that everyone is right in their own ideas, is not. So, yes we are tolerant, Islaam commands Muslims to be not just tolerant, but, cooperative and understanding with people of other faiths. We cooperate where Islaam allows us to, and we do not cooperate (i.e. to take part in any of your religious rituals/ prayers etc) where Islaam forbids us. This is the Command of Allaah, He is creator of all of us, the creator even of what you worship.
The idea that a person has his own religion proved to them is not logical rational for it to be "the truth". Someone who worships a can of pepsi can say the same thing, that when they heard the fizz , it whispered something that changed their spiritual life.
But, we know that the pepsi can was created, and that it is unable to help anyone, rather even it can be drunk whole.
Muslims are obliged to help people not just learn and understand Islaam, but aid them into becoming Muslims. We do not hide this fact at all. Because, we are helping people away from eternal hellfire, due to the devil's evil in fooling people away from the truth.
Iblis, the devil, is one of the Jinn. He was created by Allaah, just as all other creation was. Iblis did not create nor is he capable of creating anyone.
Just because you base your ideas on some pagan book written many thousands of years ago, does not make it a correct belief.
Allaah the most High said:
I have not created Men and Jinn except that they may worship Me [Dhaariyaat 51:56]
No doubt! Verily, to Allah belongs whosoever is in the heavens and whosoever is in the earth. And those who worship and invoke others besides Allah, in fact they follow not the (Allah's so-called) partners, they follow only a conjecture and they only invent lies. Surah: Yunus (10) Aayat: 66
And surely, We have created many of the jinns and mankind for Hell. They have hearts wherewith they understand not, they have eyes wherewith they see not, and they have ears wherewith they hear not (the truth). They are like cattle, nay even more astray; those! They are the heedless ones. Surah: Al-Aa'raaf (7) Aayat: 179
and
Yet, they join the jinns as partners in worship with Allah, though He has created them (the jinns), and they attribute falsely without knowledge sons and daughters to Him. Be He Glorified and Exalted above (all) that they attribute to Him. Surah: Al-An'aam (6) Aayat: 100
and Allaah the Most High said:
Verily, those who believe (in Allah and in His Messenger Muhammad SAW), and those who are Jews, and the Sabians, and the Christians, and the Magians, and those who worship others besides Allah, truly, Allah will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection. Verily! Allah is Witness over all things.[] Surah: Al-Hajj (22) Aayat: 17
Those who remember Allah (always, and in prayers) standing, sitting, and lying down on their sides, and think deeply about the creation of the heavens and the earth, (saying): "Our Lord! You have not created (all) this without purpose, glory to You! (Exalted be You above all that they associate with You as partners). Give us salvation from the torment of the Fire. Surah: Al-'Imran (3) Aayat: 191
Allah is He Who created you, then provided food for you, then will cause you to die, then (again) He will give you life (on the Day of Resurrection). Is there any of your (so�called) partners (of Allah) that do anything of that ? Glory be to Him! And Exalted be He above all that (evil) they associate (with Him). Surah: Al-Ruum (30) Aayat: 40
Islam is not a new Religion, this message, of worshipping Allaah alone, without associating any partners to Him, has been spread and taught since the very first of Prophets, Adam, may Allaah's peace be upon him.
Both the humans and the Jinn can be Muslim. We believe in Jinn, and Iblis is from them. However, there are both good and evil jinn, just as there are good and evil humans.
The evil jinn are instructed to fool humans into doing Shirk, associating partners with Allah, or total disbelief in Allaah. They do that in various ways, including by allowing people to do fortune telling, ( they travel to the lowest boundaries of heavens and over hear what the Angels say, and then they eventually return back to earth, with a very unreliable "fortune". They glean just minute amount of truth, whilst the rest be falsehood. So, people go to these fortune tellers who use the Jinn.. and they do Shirk..
Then there are those who do Magic, and this too, is from the Jinn, as the Jinn are different to humans, they are able to move at fast speeds and are invisible, therefore, those who really do practise Magic, ( and not just mere trickery) use Jinn.. they make a pact with the devil infact. -- and we have seen, that you have admitted that many of these Satan worshippers do magic.
This is all Shirk, it is what the devil wants, and it is what fools people away from the truth, and light of Islaam.
There is much more to say, unfortunately I am limited by my time, I hope to be able to write more about this subject,inshaAllaah.
weareloved
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You know what. This is sort of interesting. So I'll ask a question. Nearly every single religion and the vast majority of people explain to you that Satan is Evil and why he is Evil... So how can he be good? What do you think is good about him? What does he do for you to make you believe that he is good?
And a question for the Islamic followers... Why does God want you to fear him? Shouldn't we be scared of evil, rather than of something supreme? If you were to be the best person in the world... Would you want people to fear you or would you want them to respect and understand you? Talk to you without being affraid? You know, just like the Prophet. He is the best of men and that is something I strongly agree with. But he never wanted people to fear him. He allowed people to talk and understood, but he never stopped trying to spread Islam.
And that brings me onto the last point - The people with harsh comments.
Doesn't Islam tell you to teach others about Islam? Give Dawah ( I think? ) So it should not matter what religion people are, but how you explain Islam to them. Ultimatley it is God's decision, but you also as a Muslim are required to bring people into the fold of Islam by teaching it and over-coming objections, rather than turning your back on people. This person has obviously invested their time in coming to this site and is interested in Islam... What do you think his thoughts are, after a few of your statements? Maybe similar to those segments of people who despise you.
Think about it.
And a question for the Islamic followers... Why does God want you to fear him? Shouldn't we be scared of evil, rather than of something supreme? If you were to be the best person in the world... Would you want people to fear you or would you want them to respect and understand you? Talk to you without being affraid? You know, just like the Prophet. He is the best of men and that is something I strongly agree with. But he never wanted people to fear him. He allowed people to talk and understood, but he never stopped trying to spread Islam.
And that brings me onto the last point - The people with harsh comments.
Doesn't Islam tell you to teach others about Islam? Give Dawah ( I think? ) So it should not matter what religion people are, but how you explain Islam to them. Ultimatley it is God's decision, but you also as a Muslim are required to bring people into the fold of Islam by teaching it and over-coming objections, rather than turning your back on people. This person has obviously invested their time in coming to this site and is interested in Islam... What do you think his thoughts are, after a few of your statements? Maybe similar to those segments of people who despise you.
Think about it.
vegangoth
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I have NEVER once said that Islam is a not the right religion, sure it's not m personal choice but that doesn't make it wrong.
The people on my inrtoduction post were intrested. Just cause your not does not mean others aren't. I have only been on this board since yesterday so
I'm still trying to work my way around all the threads. I have posted in afew of them. Just as the people of this board are kind enough to share the tenants and beliefs of their relgion, I'm returning the favour. read it or not I don't really care.
What I was trying to say is that you just cant go around offending other religions because you don't perosnally belive them. The Fundy christians do the exact same. Your is a religion of peace so why go around saying other religons are evil etc
weareloved
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Best post yet.
Summer03
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"...like the Evil One {satan}, when he says to man, "Deny Allah, but when (man) denies Allah, (the Evil One) says, "I am free of thee: I do fear Allah, the Lord of the Worlds!"
something to think about...quran 59:16
something to think about...quran 59:16
a_stranger
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<<And a question for the Islamic followers... Why does God want you to fear him? Shouldn't we be scared of evil, rather than of something supreme? If you were to be the best person in the world... Would you want people to fear you or would you want them to respect and understand you? Talk to you without being affraid? You know, just like the Prophet. He is the best of men and that is something I strongly agree with. But he never wanted people to fear him. He allowed people to talk and understood, but he never stopped trying to spread Islam. >>
You are most welcome : Allah swt told people to worship him : To worship means to love the most love with most humility ....Fear of Allah swt is meant to make people reject all that is evil .....If you fear anyone you run away but if man fear Allah he will run to him ......it is postive fear cobined with big hope and trust.
You are most welcome : Allah swt told people to worship him : To worship means to love the most love with most humility ....Fear of Allah swt is meant to make people reject all that is evil .....If you fear anyone you run away but if man fear Allah he will run to him ......it is postive fear cobined with big hope and trust.
You gave me and my friends a right laughThe club I like that lol and yes I guess it is a bit like that hehe!
It's hard to describe a Satanic ritual as averyone will probebly do them slightly diffrent. Mine are never to long, some people like to have them go on for a couple of hours. Bacilly I make "make shift" altar on the floor of my room, I cover the space with a purple sheet, I set up candles, burning bowls ( for pray requests) light candles, incense. I start the ritual by invitng the elemets to be with me, then I ask Satan to be present, do the body of the ritual ( whatever reason I was doing it in the first place) close th ritual by thanking the elemens and Satan,put my stuff away and go and have a nice cup or tea.
I do look like that girl from the exorcist but only when "American Idol" is on the TV
..I had to explain exactly why I was laughing at my computer screen, when I read out your answer none of us could contain ourselves.No sacrifices ..not even a goats heads? It sounds like you haven't really grown out of those make believe kids games ..aww
diplomaticmuslim
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satanists dont have scientific evidence that they are on the true path.
islam has scientific and mathematical evidence .
islam has scientific and mathematical evidence .
weareloved
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Thank you. That makes sense and is a really good explanation. I appreciate it. I hope Allah rewards you.
vegangoth
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Even Atheist say that Satan is evil, the people that don't even belive in the likely existance of any deity have that belief. The Abrahamic faiths have done an amazing job of dispariging Satan. If there was no evil deity then what use would their religon be?
Here is the link to the page on my website that explains my belief of who Satan is to me http://inpraiseofsatan.webs.com/mysatan.htm please don't go there if you don't want to read it's contents.
vegangoth
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You gave me and my friends a right laugh
No sacrifices ..not even a goats heads? It sounds like you haven't really grown out of those make believe kids games ..aww
Glad I could be of assitance lol
I'm a vegan so goats heads are out but I do like to sacrafice a nice tasty bit of smoked tofu.
vegangoth
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There is mathmaticl evidence of the existance of Allah? What is it?
weareloved
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If there was no evil, there would still be use of religion. Because you would still need a pathway back to God. So with or without Satan, we all need a pathway to God. The only difference would be that you wouldn't have Satan pulling you away from God. What if you find out in the end that you were following the wrong path? Does that thought ever go through your mind? And if it does, wouldn't you rather be right, than wrong?
In fact, I know that thought has gone through your mind, because it's probably gone through everyone's mind. The mind wonders.
Listen I think you have been dipped in to so much "Da Vinchi" code and this "Holy Blood line". We Muslims Reject Christian Theology and Christian or Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist beliefs. So I don't know why you keep bringing up consepts which are not relevant to Muslims or Islam. There is no such thing called "Blood Line" in Islam, Islam doesn't "descend" from Abraham, Islam(Submission to the Will of Allah) is the religion which was practised by our Father Adam alaiyasalaam.
Also another fallacy you make is that Abraham is the father of Arabs. That is not true according to the Seerah of the Prophet or Islamic Scholars. And again this is another example that you haven't much knowledge of Islam or Arabic History. The Bible says that Arabs come Ishmael which is another reason why we shouldn't believe in the Bible since only the Ishmalite Arabs come from Ishmael, and Ishmalite arabs are arabized arabs not pure arabs, Prophet Muhammad is from the Arabized arabs. There are 3 types of Arabs.
Perishing Arabs: The ancient Arabs, of whose history little is known, and of whom were ‘Ad, Thamûd, Tasam, Jadis, Emlaq, and others.
Pure Arabs: Who originated from the progeny of Ya‘rub bin Yashjub bin Qahtan. They were also called Qahtanian Arabs.
Arabized Arabs: Who originated from the progeny of Ishmael. They were also called ‘Adnanian Arabs.
Ishmael married into an Arabic Tribe thus he adopted arabic culture and language and his children were arabized arabs not pure arabs from Qathaan.
So I hope now you understand that before you say something you have to speak with knowledge because much of things you are telling us is what christians and jews say, and what ever they say is rejected according to not only Islamic and Arabic history but Historical analysis
massi
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mmm ...you can't prove your religion because it's superstition or what ?
well you can talk for your belief but you can't talk about my religion
I can prove my religion is the truth in no time but my question was about your proof so don't run away ^^!!!
even if Islam is wrong religion doesn't mean your belief is the right one !!!
The Quran prove himself by himself I don't need to support it , in Fact it's his teaching which guide me to the truth and light !!!
the proofs are for all the mankind not just for me !!!
other ways Only God knows about it , but in our life we use what we have
if there are proofs I d like to share it with you ^^
well you can talk for your belief but you can't talk about my religion
I can prove my religion is the truth in no time but my question was about your proof so don't run away ^^!!!
even if Islam is wrong religion doesn't mean your belief is the right one !!!
The Quran prove himself by himself I don't need to support it , in Fact it's his teaching which guide me to the truth and light !!!
the proofs are for all the mankind not just for me !!!
other ways Only God knows about it , but in our life we use what we have
if there are proofs I d like to share it with you ^^
err no its not meant to be for you to eat
Tofu isnt much of a sacrifice, I doubt its very impressive for the one you worship.
Have you ever slit your wrists in honour of satan, given your own blood sacrifice? Or is that too much for you to stomach?
My freind reckons you guys should be hauled together and thrown in the ocean or something, talk about ''evil Islaamic Terorrists'' - satanists are the epitome of evil since they worship its very roots.
Having said that I think you're just a kid with an over active imagination a satanist wannabe perhaps.
vegangoth
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Nah I think you're wrong. Muslims don't reject Christainity if you did you would not have Jesus as a phrophet. The blood line you mentioend about the da vinci code is Mary Mag being bearing the child of Christ. I never mentioned anything about Mary or Christ.
I do apologise I did get Ishmel mixed up with Ibrahim, I ment to say he ( ishmel) was the father of Arabian Arabs. Not that my mistake matters as you correcetd it anyway.
I do apologise I did get Ishmel mixed up with Ibrahim, I ment to say he ( ishmel) was the father of Arabian Arabs. Not that my mistake matters as you correcetd it anyway.
vegangoth
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err no its not meant to be for you to eat
Tofu isnt much of a sacrifice, I doubt its very impressive for the one you worship.
Have you ever slit your wrists in honour of satan, given your own blood sacrifice? Or is that too much for you to stomach?
My freind reckons you guys should be hauled together and thrown in the ocean or something, talk about ''evil Islaamic Terorrists'' - satanists are the epitome of evil since they worship its very roots.
Having said that I think you're just a kid with an over active imagination a satanist wannabe perhaps.
Why would a vegan kill a goat just for a sacrafice lol thats sick man!!
I'm 33 so I'm waaaaay passed the kid stage lol
I have pricked my finger while doing a ritual does that count?
Your friend sounds like a kind caring kinda person.
Compared to the Christian God Satan is a pussy cat in terms of evil acts.
Yousef83
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I'm a Muslim and for me your minds are nasty and yes your belief sick,i reject your ideas and friendship,i never respect a satan,which people shirk with Allah,here is Islamic forum as you noticed and i dont need to listen to you or be nice with you,you and your belief enemy of the Islam.I follow only Allah's command and my Prophet's practising.You are here to muddy Muslims minds.
Dear directors love to delete my topics and posts and i see they enjoy with a satan's topic which kuffar in Islam
congrats you all,if this threat will not be removed untill night i will be out of this forum.This is a Muslim person's wish
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