help what should i do when i attend a non muslim school?

Wannabemuslim

Junior Member
al salaam allaleikum Its a simple question, at my school there are no muslims and the dresses are far from modest, some even where really short cut shorts. The kids are Not afraid to be social,and the jokes they make are far beyond disgusting. Its easy for me on my own to avoid things that are bad for me such as looking at girls, but when they talk to me what should i do. It would be strange to just ignore them and to tell them to go away would also be rude. Also they make it a game to pester me by trying to get me to give them a high five cuase they though it was so weird how i refused in the past. Anyway im begging to understand that im going through puberty and that it will be harder to ignore them expecialy when they are so social, any advice would be appreceiated
 

MalikBrother

Junior Member
W/Salaam!

It's hard to blend in this kind of society where we would try to avoid being isolated from community to blend in the group. I would be very careful in this matter. Better to test them out, and i am sure one out of them has to be very decent. There will be at least a few decent from the 'crowded community'. All the best. I have stayed with mine kind of group where the school i went were/are literally dominated by most people from Asia (China, Pak, Afghan, India...etc). Make sure, stay away from the kind of group that will lend you in very serious trouble one day.

By the way, you are 'wannabe Muslim' or want to be Muslim, or you really are Muslim?
 

Wannabemuslim

Junior Member
to be honest most of islam im very clear about, some i dont understand. i want my name to tell people that i am trying to practice the faith of islam but am having a few dificultys understanding some things (like being told to "slay the unbelievers wherever i find them") im sure many orthadox muslims dont adhire to that verse but it is in the quran and surley there is some reasonable explanation for it
 

ilyas_eh

Used to be active here!
wa alayykkum assalaam brother,

the verse you mentioned was revealed regarding the war and not asking us to kill all the disbelievers we see everyday..

hope that helps.. and there are more knowledgeable persons here to clarify all your doubts, insha Allah. they'll help you.
 

tariq353

Junior Member
to be honest most of islam im very clear about, some i dont understand. i want my name to tell people that i am trying to practice the faith of verse but it is iislam but am having a few dificultys understanding some things (like being told to "slay the unbelievers wherever i find them") im sure many orthadox muslims dont adhire to that n the quran and surley there is some reasonable explanation for it

:salam2:

This verse has been expalined in detail.please click

http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showpost.php?p=502247&postcount=26

There is nothing like Orthodox Muslim.
there are only two types of Muslims "Practicing and non practicing"


wa salam
 

saifkhan

abd-Allah
It would be strange to just ignore them and to tell them to go away would also be rude.

As-salam 'alaikum

our beloved rasul Allah salla Allahu alaihi wa sallam said: "Islam began as something strange, and it shall return to being something strange, so give glad tidings to the strangers."

we are no way allowed to do any compromise with the disbelievers.
whom should we care more Allaah or the kuffars!

beware this is the whispering of shaitan, don't even think that what they will think about me, or bla bla........

may Allah azza wa jal help you to overcome the problems, may He make it easy for you

wa-llahu a'lam

wassalamu 'alaikum
 

JenGiove

Junior Member
:salam2: Brother,

I was once in your shoes. While I am not a Muslim, I WAS a Jehovah's Witness and they have quite a few similar standards of behavior between believers and non-believers. Here is how *I* handled it...oh so long ago.

"I'm sorry but my religion forbids me to........"

or

"My religion practices....................."

or...in the case of Islam

"Islam teaches us that............."

Stand with your faith and take the opportunity to briefly explain that you mean no disrespect to them as a people but your first obligation is your faith and then explain why, for example, you can't touch a woman who is not your mahram...respect for THEM, as women or to speak in joking sexual ways....respect for yourself.

I hope that helps.
 

abu'muhammad

Junior Member
al salaam allaleikum Its a simple question, at my school there are no muslims and the dresses are far from modest, some even where really short cut shorts. The kids are Not afraid to be social,and the jokes they make are far beyond disgusting. Its easy for me on my own to avoid things that are bad for me such as looking at girls, but when they talk to me what should i do. It would be strange to just ignore them and to tell them to go away would also be rude. Also they make it a game to pester me by trying to get me to give them a high five cuase they though it was so weird how i refused in the past. Anyway im begging to understand that im going through puberty and that it will be harder to ignore them expecialy when they are so social, any advice would be appreceiated

Wa alaykum salaam,

There are many threads on this issue and brother I'll wish if you can look into them as well. I am not that good at keeping words and articulating them sometimes, to make it the best out of that, but am taking here some liberty to write here and do arrive at as what I feel regarding the subject matter.

Now here, It’s necessary that the parents have a thought over the consequences of sending children into such schools. I certainly think they need to look for that, and sadly sometimes there is a lack of attention been paid to reason and think from the Islaamic perspective. I wish InshaAllaah if you can change your school at earliest to some other one where you can find the appropriate environment.

Probably I see sometimes that its bit tough not to get phase -out by the surroundings in such schools and colleges. Believe me I have seen my dear brothers and sisters who didn’t pursued higher studies for the same reasons as what you had mentioned, although been brilliant in whatever they were keeping their minds to. In this regard, I was really happy to read a news that in Saudi-arabia and in other muslims countries the new educational institutions are going to open and that will be strictly to Islamic code of conduct. That gives great security and protection to anyone who opts for in such organizations. Ma shaAllaah.

May Allah ta’ala make it easy for you. I can be bit negligent as to get what that exactly weighs to you. But the only thing I would say here is the way of dealing that remains is always islaamic. It can be to keep that in behaviours - as we are need to talk modestly by lowering gaze and hayaa with the opposite gender…Not keeping any delusions within, conveying clearity and the overall good Islamic character.

Now with other guys as when you see things are not going unislamic be sure to turn back. you aren’t buying into their craps. Need to be strong a bit to refuse and show unwillingness. At times even It’s not wrong to say ‘no’ when that means it’s good to say that. Infact by this you have marked the line for yours and others behaviours. Hence there is no social awkwardness with others or as well no social vaccum either. The exact balance and the moderate way of social interactions remains intact. inshaaAllaah.

If you sincerely do this people will see that you’re a socially jolly brother, who likes to live, enjoy and entertain himself as just like others do, but as by own calibrations. And the message that goes is –living by own set standards and not bothering whether others appreciate that or not. And Believe me indeed you will make very good school friends from among. This people will like you, it has to happen when they know that you’re true and honest with yourself and you have your own principles to live upon. Rest of others will go side-ways as you don’t fit yourself into their unwanted social settings and similarly as they won’t either be able to meet with your basics.

Other thing is, I believe its quite true that the things go sloppy from the basic rapport levels starting from introduction and then people becoming comfortable with the opposite genders and the laxation seen to appear. So you need to check that too. Often people fall into when they go beyond some level into this. You might notice that a person who is holding ownself may find himself or herself labelled as geek, antisocial, loser and so on, but they know who they are and that is much for them.

When you’re comfortable with yourself enough, others will appreciate it and won’t coax you to their way enough, inshaAllaah. Both muslims and non-muslims who takes interest to know you as a person will inshaallah be convenient with yourself and the biggest advantage we can count is is we can freely and at desire put the words of dawat to them. we don’t know who among the non-muslims is the blessed one. But that can be good interactions from both the deen and dunya matters. people truly enjoy those companies when they find honest communications occuring within, which they do not find elsewhere. As being a person you will be great and even a better muslim with that, inshaAllaah.

Here I am putting an example of South African cricketer Hashim Amla. The brother is from my city and belongs to my social community – the suratee sunnis (as a local name). As much I know He is the first muslim cricketer in the S. african team. Now he has been from there since birth and lived among the Christians, Indian hindus and other ethnics. But we can see that he has been a good muslim identity. and now alhamdulillah the question is -do he find his beard as any problem for qualification to higher levels or to prove himself a better cricketer ? no,He knows he is ! And one of the glaring thing I saw about him in the world-cup match between India and south-africa here - Is that all the south-african spectators wore the beard like him and cheering him. Displaying banners and writings for him. A rare scene that makes a muslim proud of, isn’t it ? this is just an example of I think a good muslim cricketer.

And yes many, many examples are already there of the past and present Islamic figures to learn from.

however Sometimes I can’t help a pity when I see people ask like – will I get my business, job if I have a beard ? or will I look great in those qurta-pajamas.Why ? Since they seem to be looking for others to pass it on first. If someone say its great they realize its great, even before that their minds had said the same !

Finally,so I come to what rather going into circle is - wherever we live, and no matter who we are, if I and you sincerely try to keep upto the guidance of qur’an and sunnah in every matter that we encounter, inshaAllaah we’ll find flyers in our deen and dunya. Allah will help us inshaAllaah.
 

Wannabemuslim

Junior Member
abu'muhammad thanks you for your very sound answer to my problem. I tried it today and i felt much better, but one problem now its me sitting back and watching as the others make ignorant mistakes. what should i do for them? Mabe it is best to let them live there lives, after all some even think im gay for not interacting with people of the other gender. Yes i am the subject of being different, i always have and always will this has cuased me to be shuned. But this isnt a bad thing, if these people are that undivrse do i really want there influence? no. Not only do they talk about me but they talk about every living thing behind there back even there closest friends. Its a pain to hear over and over again not one day goes by where i dont hear someone make a rude remark about someone else merly be cuase they are different. What should i do to stop these people from doing bad things?
 

auroran

Junior Member
:salam2:

Insha' Allaah ta'aala I'll make du'a' you wouldn't be like them. May Allaah make you a righteous man, ameen.

They insult you because they haven't seen anyone like you, which is good thing. People insult me too but you should ignore them, only care about what Allaah azza wa jal thinks about you. Insha' Allaah ta'aala, you will be one of those who are the winners of the hereafter. Alhamdulillaah my peers don't make fun of me all the time (too busy with drama) but yours do, that shows that they have nothing better to do.

:salam2:
 

abu'muhammad

Junior Member
abu'muhammad thanks you for your very sound answer to my problem. I tried it today and i felt much better, but one problem now its me sitting back and watching as the others make ignorant mistakes. what should i do for them? Mabe it is best to let them live there lives, after all some even think im gay for not interacting with people of the other gender. Yes i am the subject of being different, i always have and always will this has cuased me to be shuned. But this isnt a bad thing, if these people are that undivrse do i really want there influence? no. Not only do they talk about me but they talk about every living thing behind there back even there closest friends. Its a pain to hear over and over again not one day goes by where i dont hear someone make a rude remark about someone else merly be cuase they are different. What should i do to stop these people from doing bad things?

Assalamu alaykum,

You’re doing well. The problem is with others. first of all, if you’re thinking that you have some problem with yourself, then I request you to leave that at once. If you can see than such students have egomaniacal problems or have unresolved issues and conflicts like as - before they aren’t treated well or aren’t in present times and so don’t consider others right even to be treated well or keeping them at ease.

The reason that can be as having poor nurturing and sufficient lackness in the way of general mannerism. Generally the name assigned for them is bullies, and what they do ? It is targetting the weak or the people who seem to have issues standing/speaking up for themselves. Do we find anything great in that ? So these people aren’t strong physically or morally either, but when someone around them becomes or seems to be weak, they are going on with the bullied behaviours.

I wish that you learn a bit of defence and refute when that’s all seems to be going outline. It certainly needs some courage and determination but you can try to acquire that for not becoming a part of their weak games. And rather if complain the teachers, principal if its worthy to do so. Don’t accept things or wait for the matters to get straight, or feel shy-out or intimidated. If then either in some cases I find people put into a far humiliating situations .

Also look for some good friends in your class/school, as seen loners might go more into such crappy bull-doses than the one who has some good companies. Once you have such good group of people, the bullies will see that you aren’t alone and will hopefully curtail all their bullcraps.

Further, I want to add that in some of those cases experiences can make you much better to focus on for the next time. Most of the times it’s upto the person themselves, as what to do and what could be the result of that ? so I or all others can be bit helpless in that sense unless they had been through that or are aware of that.

Hope all that goes well and fine for you. Was'salaamu alaykum.
 
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