Hammy said:
:salam2:
i dont understand brother tariq why you creating confusions??? When Prophet (saww) himself said do not recite anything except Al-Fatiah, then why you coming up with your confused opinions... you said you not being harsh, but indeed you are....
Wa `alaykum salaam wa rahmatullaah
Creating confusion? You are saying as although the opinion that I posted (held by the majority of scholars) was based on whims and desires. I quoted various evidences- so what is the problem you are having?
I have to say, you are the one who seems utterly confused.
really surprising a quote without reference
Perhaps if you had kindly asked me to provide the reference then I would have by the permission of Allaah, instead of you being hasty and saying that the quote has no reference.
Here is the Arabic of the quote firstly:
الذي عليه جماهير الأمة أن الاجتهاد جائز في الجملة ، والتقليد جائز في الجملة ، وأن الاجتهاد جائز للقادر على الاجتهاد ، والتقليد جائز للعاجز عن الاجتهاد
Reference: Majmoo` al-Fataawa (20/204)
(To save you the hassle of finding the quote, I found you a link online to Majmoo` al-Fataawa where the quote is available:
http://www.islamweb.net/newlibrary/display_book.php?flag=1&bk_no=22&ID=2038)
.... if agreed this for the sake of argument than now if you consider this that majority of people are on same track than they are rightly guided than what about those who follow different religion, let say Christians or Hindus (Idol Worshipers) so according to you they are on true path, as they are in majority, don't you??
Firstly, Ibn Taymiyyah mentioned majority of the Ummah.
Secondly, by majority of the ummah he means the scholars of Islaam.
Thirdly, he mentioned "Jamaaheer" as opposed to "Jumhoor"- which not only means the vast majority but rather it means it is close to a consensus!
why you calling people Layman when it can be a possibility that the other person may be knowledgeable than you...
A layman can only be called a layman. It is like asking me, why are you calling the apple an apple?!? Do you expect me to address the people of this forum as scholars of the highest eminence?
I never said that I am more knowledgable than the other person, did I? And I think many of the members in this forum and in this very thread are far more knowledgable than me ma shaa'Allaah. I am nothing but a layman amongst all you laymen :- ) May Allaah increase us all in beneficial knowledge.
you said layman has a choice but what if the truth has reached him/her? if still he reject than he will neither find helper nor protector against the Wrath of Allah...
The layman blind follows the scholar who he believes to be closer to the truth.
and then you showed us about Mossa (as) Du'a, suddenly out of the blue which is irrelevant to the topic cuz i am sure you are smart enough to identify what do you mean by Du'a and Prayers....
That is because:
1) Soorah al-Faatihah is a du`aa that is why it is legislated to say Aameen.
2) Moosa `alahis-salaam made du`aa
3) The scholars mention that Allaah accepted the du`aa for both Moosa and Haaroon (even though Haaroon did not utter the du`aa)- and this was because Haaroon was a Mu'ammin (i.e. one who said Aameen when the du`aa was made).
4) Based on the above 3 points, the scholars mentioned that the recitation of al-Faatihah will be counted as a recitation for the Ma'moom as well.
4) They weakened the narratiion narrated by Abu Dawood and others, which was quoted above:
In another hadeeth on the Prophet (sallAllaahu alaihi wasallam)
where he (sallAllaahu alaihi wasallam) said,
“Perhaps you all recite behind your Imaam?”
They replied, “Yes O Messenger of Allah.”
He (sallAllaahu alaihi wasallam) said,
“Do not do so except with the opening of the book (i.e. Al
Faatihah).”
have you find this narration to be weak?? than tell me on what basis you verified this?
I already mentioned previously that Imaam Ahmad weakened the narration as mentioned by Ibn Taymiyyah. I am not at the level of verifying chains of narrations- that job is left to the scholars and I just
blindlyfollow the verification of trustworthy hadeeth scholars.
If you expect me to verify it, then I ask you- how did you find out that this narration is authentic? Did you verify its authenticity?
I am not asking anyone to accept the opinion that I posted. Rather, I only posted it as something that serves as information to people, so they can understand that scholars differ based on evidences from the Qur'aan and Sunnah and not because they are following their whims and desires.
If you feel that the opinion I posted is confusing, then you don't need to follow it. If you are comfortable in blind following IslamQA, that is fine. And if I am comfortable in following another scholar, then I should be allowed to as well and so should anyone else.
You simply calling other blind followers and you are going nowhere with your claim and simply adding confusions in people's mind who really need help....
And by you claiming that laymen do not blind follow, you are not going anywhere either with that claim. In fact, it adds to confusion and disaster when laymen start taking the Qur'aan and Sunnah and start deriving rulings by themselves.
And on that point I would like to ask you: If we are to not follow scholars, do you claim that every layman should derive rulings from the Qur'aan and Sunnah?
i am sure you must be a follower of one of the Imam... let me know than we'll talk accordingly InshAllah and plssss don't come up with that statment "I a Muslim", we know that but unfortunately there are huge number of them who are just Muslims not true Muslims... if you know what i am talking about....
I am a Muslim :- )