ISRAEL is the biggest terrorist organization in the world

[al-fajr]

it saddens me that as muslims somebody else is always to blame yes the israel did this and that,i consider it one of the most amazing coups that the palestinian struggle has emerged as almost a tenet of islam......

i dont understand ure comment, i think muslims would be the first to blame the muslim states ie saudi/pakistan/syria/jordan for not doing enough for this cause and muslims are the ones who experiance the tyranny under these peoples rule first hand eg uzbekistan.

and isnt the palestinian struggle intrinsically islamic as they want to build their temple on our third most holiest site?

 

[jama]

allah is with them, inshallah

salam aliakum warahmatulaah wabarakatu
you are right, that is exactly right, and this questions should be raised around the world especailly muslim countries. it's ashame that all the muslim countries are watching our brothers and sisters being killed every day especially Palestine. muslim leaders today are weak, but they need to stand up for one other and help our muslim people. what happend to our brotherhood.
we make duas for them and may allah help them.
please let me know if this thread hurt someone, if that so i apologies.
alahu akbar.

 

[justoneofmillion]

assalamu aleikum, just a reminder!so you all don´t löose your time in vain talks with the zionists and their supporters if you know what i mean1




wassalam

 

[BGfromGB]

Israel sure has it plate full of hate

am glade that Allah finally answered my prayer hE was indeed quick this time in carressing your ego!! so tell me what can be said in your view against the policies of isreal?(am just quoting you!)come in don`t be shy the door is always open!promise i won`t reject you, i won`t by god

the only policies of Israel are that they wish to be left alone and to get on with their lives whweras Hamas and others want them wiped off the face of this earth.
The question is, what does Allah want of them. If he is merciful and loving, then surely do does NOT want a part of his creation wiped off the face of this earth. Why did HE create them in the 1st place then?

 

[justoneofmillion]

a sheikh mat

the only policies of Israel are that they wish to be left alone and to get on with their lives whweras Hamas and others want them wiped off the face of this earth.
The question is, what does Allah want of them. If he is merciful and loving, then surely do does NOT want a part of his creation wiped off the face of this earth. Why did HE create them in the 1st place then?

answer the question please quote"there is a lot that can be said against israel" if you want to keep the discussion going it is quite impolite to answer a question by a question, it underminds the thought of the one who asked it and confuses the one that has failed to answer to it and takes him out of the main focus.so please be kind and answer.ok

and then define please who are semitic people where they come from what language they speak and why they are called semites?because you seem to know more than all of us.it´s amazing i must admit i was quit a bit ignorant in the matter!!!!
#
last question do you know who NICCOLO MACHIAVELLI was?.....sorry don`t worry about it stay focused please you are always running away .........don´t loose your own traces you may never see and never find the way back!wish you the best.

regards

wa aleikum

 

[Happy 2BA Muslim]

the only policies of Israel are that they wish to be left alone and to get on with their lives whweras Hamas and others want them wiped off the face of this earth.
The question is, what does Allah want of them. If he is merciful and loving, then surely do does NOT want a part of his creation wiped off the face of this earth. Why did HE create them in the 1st place then?

Hamas and others do not want the jews wiped off the face of this earth. That is a misconception, but I guess that is why you are here . Muslims lived with jews peacefully since the time of the Prophet peace be upon Him.

http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9474&highlight=muslims+jews+living

And some more facts: (no racism here)

The Jews do not have any stake in al-Quds, because even though they may have lived in the land previously, that land now belongs to the Muslims from two points of view:

1. The Jews disbelieved and are no longer following the religion of the believers among the Children of Israel who followed and supported Moosa and ‘Eesaa (peace be upon them).

2. We Muslims have more right to it than them, because land does not belong to the people who lived there first, but to those who establish the laws of Allaah therein. Allaah created the land, and He created people to worship Allaah in the land and to establish therein the religion, laws and rulings of Allaah. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“… Verily, the earth is Allaah’s. He gives it as a heritage to whom He wills of His slaves; and the (blessed) end is for the Muttaqoon (the pious).” [al-A’raaf 7:128]

Hence if some Arabs came who were not followers of Islam and they ruled the land with kufr, they would have to be fought until they submitted to the rule of Islam or were killed.

It is not the matter of race or ethnicity; it is the matter of Tawheed and Islam.

Here it is useful to quote the words of one of the researchers:

“History tells us that the first people to settle in Palestine were the Canaanites, six thousand years BCE. They were an Arab tribe who came to Palestine from the Arabian Peninsula, and after their arrival, Palestine was named after them [i.e., Canaan].”

(al-Suhyooniyyah, Nash’atuhaa, Tanzeemaatuhaa, In*!*!*!*!atuhaa, by Ahmad al-‘Awadi, p. 7).

“As for the Jews, the first time they entered Palestine was approximately six hundred years after Ibraheem had entered the land, i.e., they entered it approximately 1400 years BCE. So the Canaanites entered Palestine and lived there approximately 4500 years before the Jews.”

(Ibid., p. 8)

Hence it is clear that the Jews have no right to the land, whether according to religious law or in terms of who lived there first and possessed the land. They are aggressors who are seizing the land by force. We ask Allaah to rid Bayt al-Maqdis of them sooner rather than later, for He is Able to do that and He is Most Generous in answering. Praise be to Allaah, the Lord of the Worlds.

 

[Oem Soufiane]

the only policies of Israel are that they wish to be left alone and to get on with their lives whweras Hamas and others want them wiped off the face of this earth.
The question is, what does Allah want of them. If he is merciful and loving, then surely do does NOT want a part of his creation wiped off the face of this earth. Why did HE create them in the 1st place then?

excuse me, me as an ex christian, non arab can still see what israel is doing, please do not state that they want to be left alone, Who needs to leave who alone, watch this please, all of the film and then react if you will inshallah.

http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49&page=2

streaming didn't work..

 

[Bluegazer]

Hello BGfromGB,


You said the following on post #54 on this thread:

Surely you can understand what YESHUA is alluding to. No one is perfect and we are not in a position to judge each other - we're all sinful. YESHUA ain't. He is the only person in a position to throw stones. Not us.

Were you referring to the Story of the Adulteress in John 7:53-8:11 in the Bible?

 

[BGfromGB]

Hello BGfromGB,


You said the following on post #54 on this thread:




Were you referring to the Story of the Adulteress in John 7:53-8:11 in the Bible?

No sir, I am not referring tomthat verse.
YESHUA as the son of the ELOHIM, was and IS totally without sin. There is none like him, not even Mohammed. Human mankind is full of sin. We will always sin and continue to sin until we die. I'm no exception. That fact that I continue to listen to classical symphonic music makes me a sinner over and over again. And yet I will not stop doing so. (I will be accountable to YHWH on that issue not the religious scholars) and because I am a sinner I am not in a position to judge other people. Thank you sir.

 

[salmanzaid]

My view on Israel

Asalamu alaykum Brothers & Sisters,

I've got an unusual story to tell and I hope the moderators will forgive me for being slightly off topic. I've commented before, but I can't believe that there
are some Muslims who actually support 'Israel' - unbelievable !!!

I was interested in various expressions of faith in high school, and I visited a few places.

Once I visited a Jewish bookshop - and there was an old Jewish man there. My honest recollection is that he was a very angry & obsessed person, who started raving & ranting about the holocaust/ww2/israel ect'.
So from this, I can understand easily - how those who were persecuted, became the persecutors. They were angry, afraid and wanted their own piece of real estate to feel safe in.

Another time I summoned up enough courage to visit a synagogue.
The ceremony was interesting, they paraded around the room with the torah, honoring it as God's word. The text to be read for the day, just happened to be the one in deut' about homosexuality. Then a female Rabbi gave the lecture. To my absolute astonishment and bewilderment, she said that homosexuality was no sin. And that ended my interest in Judaism, full stop.

My view is ... (1) that the Jews of today - are not the same people mentioned in the torah. I don't believe they are even descended from them ( except maybe a rare few ). They are just a very mixed bunch of modern people who decided to call themselves Jews, either recently or many generations back.
I do not believe they have any moral right to the land, just because of whatever the torah may say.
(2) It is an absolutely historical fact, that the land of palestine was stolen from the people who lived there in the most brutal & violent manner.
If you don't believe me, then you are blind or just plain ignorant.
(3) Jerusalem is a holy city to muslims, therefore it is of importance to us to retain it within the possesion of the muslims. Inshallah, it will be returned to the Palestinian people within my lifetime - please let me see it Lord !

From what I have read, many poor jewish people did not even want to go to Palestine, but they did so because of the influence of the zioinsts. It was a cold-blooded, deliberate program to create a modern specuation called 'israel'.

And why ?
a) America wanted a rottweiler ( a fierce type of dog ) in the middle east to keep an eye on the arabs & the oil wells(divide & conquer).
b) It was a gift to the jews for supporting the war.
c) I also think it was in revenge for the Palestinian mufti supporting Hitler
( but I'm willing to bet the mufti was only trying to protect his own country,
and was ignorant of Hitler's real beliefs ... that untimately arabs would be expended & eliminated after the jews ).

There are many good books, videos, phamphets, pdfs ect' - which one can read about how the Palestinians experianced ( & still are ) ethnic cleansing.
Any muslims who supports the modern speculation called 'Israel' -well I'd seriously have to doubt his sanity and his loyalty.
There are even a small number of Rabbis who are anti-zionist, due to what it says in torah / talmud.

Nobody should feel sorry for the zionists/israelis, we should be saving up our pocket money so we can buy more rocket launchers for the Palestinians !
I have no moral problem whatsoever with openly supporting the Palestinian struggle to regain their country, their soverignty, their religious freedom, their dignity.

And we can also mention Iraq, Lebanon, Afganistan ... so many other countries. What is it really all about ? Oil, Oil, Oil, Oil, Oil !

OK, forgive me for my excessive posting. I'll rest for a while.

Salman

 

[justoneofmillion]

No sir, I am not referring tomthat verse.
YESHUA as the son of the ELOHIM, was and IS totally without sin. There is none like him, not even Mohammed. Human mankind is full of sin. We will always sin and continue to sin until we die. I'm no exception. That fact that I continue to listen to classical symphonic music makes me a sinner over and over again. And yet I will not stop doing so. (I will be accountable to YHWH on that issue not the religious scholars) and because I am a sinner I am not in a position to judge other people. Thank you sir.

hi dear friend,first of all yeshua pbuh as you said use to say "Allah"or "Eloh" when refering to god, not yahve and not jehova !
here is the proof:http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10526

second :dear friend this is a political section and i hope you won`t mind if we leave it there,you can believe worship whom ever you want DIONISIS;OSIRIS,BUDDAH THE POPE ,BOB MARLEY OR SANTA CLAUSE...it is you choice and as you said you and you alone will be held accountable for your deeds! peace wish you the best


wa aleikum



SINDBAD

 

[al-fajr]

"I also think it was in revenge for the Palestinian mufti supporting Hitler
( but I'm willing to bet the mufti was only trying to protect his own country,
and was ignorant of Hitler's real beliefs ... that untimately arabs would be expended & eliminated after the jews )."

:salam2:
absolutely, because Hitler and Mufti Haj Emin had opposite intentions....Emin wanted to put a stop to the Zionist influx to palestine (begun much earlier than the official Nakba date of 1948, by Theodore Hurzle) but Hitler wanted the Jews out of Germany/Poland/Czechoslavakia (wherever he wanted 'lebensraum' for his aryan race) and saw Palestine as a possible place where he could send them all, which is why Adolf Eichmann visited Jerusalem time and again because he was minister of emmigration in the 3rd Reich, Mufti Emin sought hitlers help but nothing whatsoever came of it but the pictures of emin and hitler are used constantly by israels supporters to defame Muslims saying we're equivalent to hitler in our rabid anti-semitism!! craaaazyyyyy

 

[BGfromGB]

Israel left alone

excuse me, me as an ex christian, non arab can still see what israel is doing, please do not state that they want to be left alone, Who needs to leave who alone, watch this please, all of the film and then react if you will inshallah.

http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49&page=2

streaming didn't work..

The whole world has seen and heard these stories time and time again. Some are legit. Some aren't.
That was not the full question. Half of it.
Now would you care to answer the rest about HAMAS and others avowed intention to wipe Israel off the face of this earth?

 

[justoneofmillion]

answer the question please quote"there is a lot that can be said against israel" if you want to keep the discussion going it is quite impolite to answer a question by a question, it underminds the thought of the one who asked it and confuses the one that has failed to answer to it and takes him out of the main focus.so please be kind and answer.ok

and then define please who are semitic people where they come from what language they speak and why they are called semites?because you seem to know more than all of us.it´s amazing i must admit i was quit a bit ignorant in the matter!!!!
#
last question do you know who NICCOLO MACHIAVELLI was?.....sorry don`t worry about it stay focused please you are always running away .........don´t loose your own traces you may never see and never find the way back!wish you the best.

regards

wa aleikum

what you wish for yourself should be the same that you would wish for others that`s timless so answer my question first and your questions will be answered inschallah bring them all!

regards
SINDBAD

 

[Oem Soufiane]

The whole world has seen and heard these stories time and time again. Some are legit. Some aren't.
That was not the full question. Half of it.
Now would you care to answer the rest about HAMAS and others avowed intention to wipe Israel off the face of this earth?

I don't speak for hamas, i speak for MYSELF and my brothers and sisters in palestine who are opressed by the zionists, what do you think, their stories aren't true and from the israelies they are. Watch the movie and you'll see how people are being treated. If nobody will stand up for them except for hamas, what do you think, they vote for them. The zionist friends from usa do not agree with the peoples choice and make sure palestine doesn't get money anymore, how much of an opressor can you be. Israel is not crying when palestina will be wiped of the card, well, the people, they only care about the ground. And same way to, i don't care if israel is of the map. It's my oppinion, not the opinion of all muslims, i don't claim it is in the quran. I WONT CRY FOR ISRAEL.

 

[sister herb]

Salaam alaykum;

by the way, what is so wrong if Hamas would like to wipe Isreal out of the map then? This is just what Isreal wants to do, wipe out Palestine and all Palestinians away.

If you search information from Hamas to the question like that, then yes, they resist the zionist terrorism against Palestinian civilians and the zionist state called "Israel" but they don´t hate all the jews and they don´t even want to exile every of them away from Palestine.

sister Harb

 

[Happy 2BA Muslim]

BGfromGB, this is for you again, because it seems you didn`t read it well the first time (remember, you are here to learn about Islam):

the only policies of Israel are that they wish to be left alone and to get on with their lives whweras Hamas and others want them wiped off the face of this earth.
The question is, what does Allah want of them. If he is merciful and loving, then surely do does NOT want a part of his creation wiped off the face of this earth. Why did HE create them in the 1st place then?

Hamas and others do not want the jews wiped off the face of this earth. That is a misconception, but I guess that is why you are here . Muslims lived with jews peacefully since the time of the Prophet peace be upon Him.

http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9474&highlight=muslims+jews+living

And some more facts: (no racism here)

The Jews do not have any stake in al-Quds, because even though they may have lived in the land previously, that land now belongs to the Muslims from two points of view:

1. The Jews disbelieved and are no longer following the religion of the believers among the Children of Israel who followed and supported Moosa and ‘Eesaa (peace be upon them).

2. We Muslims have more right to it than them, because land does not belong to the people who lived there first, but to those who establish the laws of Allaah therein. Allaah created the land, and He created people to worship Allaah in the land and to establish therein the religion, laws and rulings of Allaah. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“… Verily, the earth is Allaah’s. He gives it as a heritage to whom He wills of His slaves; and the (blessed) end is for the Muttaqoon (the pious).” [al-A’raaf 7:128]

Hence if some Arabs came who were not followers of Islam and they ruled the land with kufr, they would have to be fought until they submitted to the rule of Islam or were killed.

It is not the matter of race or ethnicity; it is the matter of Tawheed and Islam.

Here it is useful to quote the words of one of the researchers:

“History tells us that the first people to settle in Palestine were the Canaanites, six thousand years BCE. They were an Arab tribe who came to Palestine from the Arabian Peninsula, and after their arrival, Palestine was named after them [i.e., Canaan].”

(al-Suhyooniyyah, Nash’atuhaa, Tanzeemaatuhaa, In*!*!*!*!atuhaa, by Ahmad al-‘Awadi, p. 7).

“As for the Jews, the first time they entered Palestine was approximately six hundred years after Ibraheem had entered the land, i.e., they entered it approximately 1400 years BCE. So the Canaanites entered Palestine and lived there approximately 4500 years before the Jews.”

(Ibid., p. 8)

Hence it is clear that the Jews have no right to the land, whether according to religious law or in terms of who lived there first and possessed the land. They are aggressors who are seizing the land by force. We ask Allaah to rid Bayt al-Maqdis of them sooner rather than later, for He is Able to do that and He is Most Generous in answering. Praise be to Allaah, the Lord of the Worlds.

And just in case you bring up the scriptures talk again, here is our (Muslims) stance on it:

It is not permissible to obtain any of the previous scriptures which came before the Qur’aan, such as the Injeel (Gospel or New Testament), Tawraat (Torah or Old Testament) and others, for two reasons.

The first reason is that anything in them that is beneficial has been explained by Allaah in the Qur’aan.

The second reason is that the Qur’aan frees us from any need for these books. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“It is He Who has sent down the Book (the Qur’aan) to you (Muhammad) with truth, confirming what came before it [Aal ‘Imraan 3:3]

“And We have sent down to you (O Muhammad) the Book (this Qur’aan) in truth, confirming the Scripture that came before it and Mohaymin (trustworthy in highness and a witness) over it (old Scriptures). So judge among them by what Allaah has revealed [al-Maa’idah 5:48]

So whatever good may be in the previous books is to be found in the Qur’aan. So there is no need to look elsewhere.

Moreover, the Injeel (Gospel) that is existent today is distorted. The evidence for that is the fact that there are four Gospels which contradict one another; there is no one Gospel which can be relied upon.

But the seeker of knowledge who has sufficient knowledge to be able to tell truth from falsehood, may be allowed to read (the previous scriptures) in order to refute the falsehood found therein or to leave the followers of the scriptures with no excuse for not knowing that they are false.


Majmoo’ Fataawa wa Rasaa’il Fadeelat al-Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him), vol. 1, p. 32-33

So please don`t mention the scriptures again. :astag:

 

[salmanzaid]

absolutely, because Hitler and Mufti Haj Emin had opposite intentions....Emin wanted to put a stop to the Zionist influx to palestine (begun much earlier than the official Nakba date of 1948, by Theodore Hurzle) but Hitler wanted the Jews out of Germany/Poland/Czechoslavakia (wherever he wanted 'lebensraum' for his aryan race) and saw Palestine as a possible place where he could send them all, which is why Adolf Eichmann visited Jerusalem time and again because he was minister of emmigration in the 3rd Reich, Mufti Emin sought hitlers help but nothing whatsoever came of it but the pictures of emin and hitler are used constantly by israels supporters to defame Muslims saying we're equivalent to hitler in our rabid anti-semitism!! craaaazyyyyy

Thanks for the clarification !
The pro-zionist videos appear to be saying that Hitler & the Mufti were best friends ( it is part of a pro-zionist movie coming out soon I believe ).
At the moment I am feeling a lot of anxiety & depression regarding the world situation and I know that I should trust Allah more.
I watched a documentary about what happened in Gujarat, India 2001.
Thats a good suggestion of how low people will stoop when they are afraid of us.

 

[BGfromGB]

Homosexuality in Judaism

Asalamu alaykum Brothers & Sisters,

I've got an unusual story to tell and I hope the moderators will forgive me for being slightly off topic. I've commented before, but I can't believe that there
are some Muslims who actually support 'Israel' - unbelievable !!!

I was interested in various expressions of faith in high school, and I visited a few places.

Once I visited a Jewish bookshop - and there was an old Jewish man there. My honest recollection is that he was a very angry & obsessed person, who started raving & ranting about the holocaust/ww2/israel ect'.
So from this, I can understand easily - how those who were persecuted, became the persecutors. They were angry, afraid and wanted their own piece of real estate to feel safe in.

Another time I summoned up enough courage to visit a synagogue.
The ceremony was interesting, they paraded around the room with the torah, honoring it as God's word. The text to be read for the day, just happened to be the one in deut' about homosexuality. Then a female Rabbi gave the lecture. To my absolute astonishment and bewilderment, she said that homosexuality was no sin. And that ended my interest in Judaism, full stop.

My view is ... (1) that the Jews of today - are not the same people mentioned in the torah. I don't believe they are even descended from them ( except maybe a rare few ). They are just a very mixed bunch of modern people who decided to call themselves Jews, either recently or many generations back.
I do not believe they have any moral right to the land, just because of whatever the torah may say.
(2) It is an absolutely historical fact, that the land of palestine was stolen from the people who lived there in the most brutal & violent manner.
If you don't believe me, then you are blind or just plain ignorant.
(3) Jerusalem is a holy city to muslims, therefore it is of importance to us to retain it within the possesion of the muslims. Inshallah, it will be returned to the Palestinian people within my lifetime - please let me see it Lord !

From what I have read, many poor jewish people did not even want to go to Palestine, but they did so because of the influence of the zioinsts. It was a cold-blooded, deliberate program to create a modern specuation called 'israel'.

And why ?
a) America wanted a rottweiler ( a fierce type of dog ) in the middle east to keep an eye on the arabs & the oil wells(divide & conquer).
b) It was a gift to the jews for supporting the war.
c) I also think it was in revenge for the Palestinian mufti supporting Hitler
( but I'm willing to bet the mufti was only trying to protect his own country,
and was ignorant of Hitler's real beliefs ... that untimately arabs would be expended & eliminated after the jews ).

There are many good books, videos, phamphets, pdfs ect' - which one can read about how the Palestinians experianced ( & still are ) ethnic cleansing.
Any muslims who supports the modern speculation called 'Israel' -well I'd seriously have to doubt his sanity and his loyalty.
There are even a small number of Rabbis who are anti-zionist, due to what it says in torah / talmud.

Nobody should feel sorry for the zionists/israelis, we should be saving up our pocket money so we can buy more rocket launchers for the Palestinians !
I have no moral problem whatsoever with openly supporting the Palestinian struggle to regain their country, their soverignty, their religious freedom, their dignity.

And we can also mention Iraq, Lebanon, Afganistan ... so many other countries. What is it really all about ? Oil, Oil, Oil, Oil, Oil !

OK, forgive me for my excessive posting. I'll rest for a while.

Salman

Which synagogue is this. I would like to write to the rabbi and confirm what you said. Thank you.

 

[BGfromGB]

answer the question please quote"there is a lot that can be said against israel" if you want to keep the discussion going it is quite impolite to answer a question by a question, it underminds the thought of the one who asked it and confuses the one that has failed to answer to it and takes him out of the main focus.so please be kind and answer.ok

and then define please who are semitic people where they come from what language they speak and why they are called semites?because you seem to know more than all of us.it´s amazing i must admit i was quit a bit ignorant in the matter!!!!
#
last question do you know who NICCOLO MACHIAVELLI was?.....sorry don`t worry about it stay focused please you are always running away .........don´t loose your own traces you may never see and never find the way back!wish you the best.

regards

wa aleikum

I digress a bit, but I think it was you where I commended you for being so talented in music and which I asked you some pertinent questions about these gifts given to you by Allah. Am I correct? If yes, then likewise why was it not polite of you to have answered my question.
If it was not you, I withdraw my statement above.
Now about your question. I am not an historian. I am merely generalising from what I hear and see what is on the news. No harm in that is there?