Hey, im not following anyone like that. I am just looking for the truth!
Can anyone enlighten me...
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Ahmed_2000
Servant of Allah
Salaam allaikum
Brother i know you are looking for truth. but you have to be carefull of the translation you get. i think you can download noble Quran as well
http://www.islamtomorrow.com/quran/
on a side note Yousuf ali's translation is also well known.
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here you can get the hadith (the Teachings of the Prophet (SAWS))
http://www.islamtomorrow.com/downloads/index.asp
Salaam Allaikum
Brother i know you are looking for truth. but you have to be carefull of the translation you get. i think you can download noble Quran as well
http://www.islamtomorrow.com/quran/
on a side note Yousuf ali's translation is also well known.
........
here you can get the hadith (the Teachings of the Prophet (SAWS))
http://www.islamtomorrow.com/downloads/index.asp
Salaam Allaikum
virtualeye
Tamed Brother
AssalaamuAlaikum,
My apology if you are annoyed. I am a bit critical person. While people might think I am awkward but infact this same ciricial approach saves me from accepting every other thing so easy.
To get the pure butter from the milk, you have to shake the milk well, right? So do I.
Wassalaam,
VE
Globalpeace
Banned
Qadiyanees & Lahorees!
Asslamo Allaikum Brothers/Sisters,
First and foremost I am addressing everyone & not particularly brother Bluefish.
You guys have been reading my posts for a while & know very well that I am NOT a biased, bigoted person!
In my humble knowledge & experience (see earlier threads for details)...
Qadiyanees are split into two groups:
1) Ahmadees: Those who accept Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani as a Prophet
2) Lahorees or Ahmadi Lahoree: Those who don't accept Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani as a Prophet; rather as a Mujtahid (innovator, rejuvinator)...And most importantly do not ascribe Kuf'r to Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani for claiming to be a Prophet or to those who accept him as the Porphet.
Both groups, its leaders, its adherents are Murtad, Kaafir (Non-Muslims), Liars, Dajjal as per the consensus of opinion of all Muslim scholars world-wide, without exception
Lahorees are very good at deception! You have to be a Pakistani to know what these people get upto!
Brother is absolutely right about offering women, VISAS, money anything & everything & both of these groups do this.
Anyone who wants to know facts; please PM with your country & I will get you in touch with someone in your country who you can discuss this matter with; just because something is being at Amazon; doesn't mean that it is genuine!
In my humble opinion there is nothing to discuss here! Its a open & shut case.
Asslamo Allaikum Brothers/Sisters,
First and foremost I am addressing everyone & not particularly brother Bluefish.
You guys have been reading my posts for a while & know very well that I am NOT a biased, bigoted person!
In my humble knowledge & experience (see earlier threads for details)...
Qadiyanees are split into two groups:
1) Ahmadees: Those who accept Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani as a Prophet
2) Lahorees or Ahmadi Lahoree: Those who don't accept Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani as a Prophet; rather as a Mujtahid (innovator, rejuvinator)...And most importantly do not ascribe Kuf'r to Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani for claiming to be a Prophet or to those who accept him as the Porphet.
Both groups, its leaders, its adherents are Murtad, Kaafir (Non-Muslims), Liars, Dajjal as per the consensus of opinion of all Muslim scholars world-wide, without exception
Lahorees are very good at deception! You have to be a Pakistani to know what these people get upto!
Brother is absolutely right about offering women, VISAS, money anything & everything & both of these groups do this.
Anyone who wants to know facts; please PM with your country & I will get you in touch with someone in your country who you can discuss this matter with; just because something is being at Amazon; doesn't mean that it is genuine!
In my humble opinion there is nothing to discuss here! Its a open & shut case.
virtualeye
Tamed Brother
OK OK, just before sutting this case. Just let me clear the minds of those who think Qadiyanis might have something to do with Islam.
Here are the holy sayings of Mira Ghulam Ahmed in his own authored books:
"My enemies are dirty swine and their women are more wretched than bitches." [17]
"All Muslims regard my books with reverence and care and benefit from their sublime thoughts except those who are the offspring of prostitutes (bastards); God has put a seal upon their hearts and they do not accept me." [18]
"The one who has no belief in our ultimate victory is fond of becoming bastard and he is bound to be product of fornication."[19]
"Abdul Haq is not content with our victories. He is itching to become a bastard."[20]
"You have inflicted pain on me with your foulness. You are not truthful. I pray that you die in shame, you son of a harlot."[21]
References:
[17]^ Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 14, P. 53; Najmul Huda, P. 10, 53; by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
[18]^ Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 5, Page 547-548; Mirat-o-Kamalat-i-Islam, P. 547; Aeena-e-Kamalat Islam, P.547-548; by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
[19]^ Roohany Kazaen, Vol. 9, P. 31; Anwar ul Islam, P. 30; by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
[20]^ Anwar-ul-Islam, P. 30; by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
[21]^ Anjam-i-Atham, P. 288; by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
OK Now? Hehe.
Wassalaam,
VE
Here are the holy sayings of Mira Ghulam Ahmed in his own authored books:
"My enemies are dirty swine and their women are more wretched than bitches." [17]
"All Muslims regard my books with reverence and care and benefit from their sublime thoughts except those who are the offspring of prostitutes (bastards); God has put a seal upon their hearts and they do not accept me." [18]
"The one who has no belief in our ultimate victory is fond of becoming bastard and he is bound to be product of fornication."[19]
"Abdul Haq is not content with our victories. He is itching to become a bastard."[20]
"You have inflicted pain on me with your foulness. You are not truthful. I pray that you die in shame, you son of a harlot."[21]
References:
[17]^ Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 14, P. 53; Najmul Huda, P. 10, 53; by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
[18]^ Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 5, Page 547-548; Mirat-o-Kamalat-i-Islam, P. 547; Aeena-e-Kamalat Islam, P.547-548; by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
[19]^ Roohany Kazaen, Vol. 9, P. 31; Anwar ul Islam, P. 30; by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
[20]^ Anwar-ul-Islam, P. 30; by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
[21]^ Anjam-i-Atham, P. 288; by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
OK Now? Hehe.
Wassalaam,
VE
Ok, that guy is not someone to make friends with. But that guy is not who i care about. I was looking for information about Maulana Muhammad Ali the individual, who apperently is an enemy of Ghulam ahmad, according to what he said. I am getting the point about the movement.OK OK, just before sutting this case. Just let me clear the minds of those who think Qadiyanis might have something to do with Islam.
Here are the holy sayings of Mira Ghulam Ahmed in his own authored books:
"My enemies are dirty swine and their women are more wretched than bitches." [17]
"All Muslims regard my books with reverence and care and benefit from their sublime thoughts except those who are the offspring of prostitutes (bastards); God has put a seal upon their hearts and they do not accept me." [18]
"The one who has no belief in our ultimate victory is fond of becoming bastard and he is bound to be product of fornication."[19]
"Abdul Haq is not content with our victories. He is itching to become a bastard."[20]
"You have inflicted pain on me with your foulness. You are not truthful. I pray that you die in shame, you son of a harlot."[21]
References:
[17]^ Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 14, P. 53; Najmul Huda, P. 10, 53; by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
[18]^ Roohany Khazaen, Vol. 5, Page 547-548; Mirat-o-Kamalat-i-Islam, P. 547; Aeena-e-Kamalat Islam, P.547-548; by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
[19]^ Roohany Kazaen, Vol. 9, P. 31; Anwar ul Islam, P. 30; by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
[20]^ Anwar-ul-Islam, P. 30; by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
[21]^ Anjam-i-Atham, P. 288; by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad
OK Now? Hehe.
Wassalaam,
VE
Peace
Noor to shine
Junior Member
true followers
You are welcome brother...I pray to Allah that he help us to be true followers of prophet Mohammad salla Allah alaihi wa sallam ....we should be careful not to be deviated of his way ...through history many many people tried to distort the pure clear message of the prophet salla Allah alaihi wa sallam but All praise be to Allah the message (Quran and Sunna) was kept pure as revealed like a fresh spring all we have to do is to stick to the straight path (leading to Janna by the mercy of Allah).
With regards
You are welcome brother...I pray to Allah that he help us to be true followers of prophet Mohammad salla Allah alaihi wa sallam ....we should be careful not to be deviated of his way ...through history many many people tried to distort the pure clear message of the prophet salla Allah alaihi wa sallam but All praise be to Allah the message (Quran and Sunna) was kept pure as revealed like a fresh spring all we have to do is to stick to the straight path (leading to Janna by the mercy of Allah).
With regards
NaXuS
Junior Member
:salam2:
dont shoot the messenger
Lol she asked a question n i replied.wuts the big deal n their is a site of them called tomb of Jesus PBUH.Google it n u will find it.I was curious about their claims n i ended up on that site.
Do u really think i care about ur opinion regarding my faith.
Do u think i,m so week that i have to ask others about my faith lol
My Allah is enough for me,so plz dont bother.
NaXuS
Junior Member
:salam2:
u r welcome bro.
but my advice to u is to get popular translation of Quran in English my peoples like Yusuf Ali n Mr PICKTHAL.They r both really nice translations.
There r messengers of Satan out there with their own translation.Like there is a sect who has omitted 2 versus of Quran n they have a new messengers lol.There is a fake Quran out there with fake words.So be very care full in wut u read n always be patient with it n never be hasty.Keep Allah in ur thought so u u dont get astray.
Be a Muslim n dont fall to the level of sectarianism n blah blah. A Muslim is just better than any Shia Sunni Wahabi Sufi etc etc.
Allah is the one with the guidance n not sects.So ask the one who matters.Sects have limits ,Islam have no limits.Prophets ,Kalips,Imams,Sahbhas Kings etc etc all have limits but their God,s powers have no limits.
Allah is enough for his slaves brother.
Khudha Haffiz
virtualeye
Tamed Brother
Do u really think i care about ur opinion regarding my faith.
Do u think i,m so week that i have to ask others about my faith lol
My Allah is enough for me,so plz dont bother.
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The same above point of view an Ahmadi can also present.
A Qadyani/Ahamidi in the same manner, can claim:
1- Do u really think i care about ur opinion regarding my faith.
2- Do u think i,m so week that i have to ask others about my faith lol
3- My Allah is enough for me,so plz dont bother.
Surely Allah will decide and He will be the only one to do Absolute Justice. While in this world Muslims will judge others for their sympathy for zionists, Christians and Qadiyanis. Your faith has two parts, one comprises your relation with Allah and the second part comprises the relation with other Muslims. You cant tell other Muslims that you dont give a damn what they think about you or what do they consider about you.
Wassalaam,
VE
Assalamu alaikum,
These Ahmadiyya's are not Muslims at all!
Qadianiyyah in the light of Islam
Question:
I appeal to you to answer the questions that I have previously submitted or to answer the one that follows, as the problem has for months caused me nothing but trouble in my local community. Even if I had the support of a fatwa, it might not help because this local community does not respect the ulama, but at least I would know that I am not erring.
I know that you cannot answer all questions, but surely something as important as this cannot be ignored. It is Ramadan and I hope for your answer.
1.If someone is not a qadiani but knows that they believe in a false prophet and accepts qadianis as a madhab in Islam, are they out of Islam? I believe that they are out of Islam, and I am acting on that belief in my conduct towards such people.
Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.
Definition:
Qadianiyyah is a movement that started in 1900 CE as a plot by the British colonialists in the Indian subcontinent, with the aim of diverting Muslims away from their religion and from the obligation of jihaad in particular, so that they would not oppose colonialism in the name of Islam. The mouthpiece of this movement is the magazine Majallat Al-Adyaan (Magazine if Religions) which was published in English.
Foundation and prominent personalities:
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad al-Qadiani (1839-1908 CE) was the main tool by means of which Qadianiyyah was founded. He was born in the village of Qadian, in the Punjab, in India, in 1839 CE. He came from a family that was well known for having betrayed its religion and country, so Ghulam Ahmad grew up loyal and obedient to the colonialists in every sense. Thus he was chosen for the role of a so-called prophet, so that the Muslims would gather around him and he would distract them from waging jihaad against the English colonialists. The British government did lots of favours for them, so they were loyal to the British. Ghulam Ahmad was known among his followers to be unstable, with a lot of health problems and dependent on drugs.
Among those who confronted him and his evil da’wah was Shaykh Abu’l-Wafa’ Thana’ al-Amritsari, the leader of Jama’iyyat Ahl al-Hadeeth fi ‘Umoom al-Hind (The All-India Society of Ahl al-Hadeeth). The Shaykh debated with him and refuted his arguments, revealing his ulterior motives and Kufr and the deviation of his way. When Ghulam Ahmad did not come to his senses, Shaykh Abu’l-Wafa’ challenged him to come together and invoke the curse of Allaah, such that the one who was lying would die in the lifetime of the one who was telling the truth. Only a few days passed before Mirza Ghulam Ahmad al-Qadiani died, in 1908 CE, leaving behind more than fifty books, pamphlets and articles, among the most important of which are: Izaalat al-Awhaam (Dispelling illusions), I’jaaz Ahmadi (Ahmadi miracles), Baraaheen Ahmadiyyah (Ahmadi proofs), Anwaar al-Islam (Lights of Islam), I’jaaz al-Maseeh (Miracles of the Messiah), al-Tableegh (Conveying (the message))and Tajalliyyaat Ilaahiyyah (Divine manifestations).
Noor al-Deen (Nuruddin): the first Khaleefah of the Qadianis. The British put the crown of Khilaafah on his head, so the disciples (of Ghulam Ahmad) followed him. Among his books is: Fasl al-Khitaab (Definitive statement).
Muhammad Ali and Khojah Kamaal al-Deen: the two leaders of the Lahore Qadianis. They are the ones who gave the final shape to the movement. The former produced a distorted translation into English of the Qur’aan. His other works include: Haqeeqat al-Ikhtilaaf (The reality of differences), al-Nubuwwah fi’l-Islam (Prophethood in Islam) and al-Deen al-Islami (The Islamic religion). As for Khojah Kamaal al-Deen, he wrote a book called al-Mathal al-A’laa fi’l-Anbiya’ (The highest example of the Prophets), and other books. This Lahore group of Ahmadis are those who think of Ghulam Ahmad as a Mujaddid (renewer or reviver of Islam) only, but both groups are viewed as a single movement because odd ideas that are not seen in the one will surely be found in the other.
Muhammad Ali: the leader of the Lahore Qadianis. He was one of those who gave the final shape to Qadianiyyah, a colonialist spy and the person in charge of the magazine which was the voice of the Qadianiyyah. He also produced a distorted translation into English of the Qur’aan. Among his works are Haqeeqat al-Ikhtilaaf (The reality of differences), and al-Nubuwwah fi’l-Islam (Prophethood in Islam), as stated above.
Muhammad Saadiq, the mufti of the Qadianiyyah. His works include: Khatim al-Nabiyyeen The seal of the Prophets).
Basheer Ahmad ibn Ghulam. His works include: Seerat al-Mahdi (the life of the Mahdi) and Kalimat al-Fasl (Decisive word).
Mahmood Ahmad ibn Ghulam, his second Khaleefah. Among his works are: Anwaar al-Khilaafah (Lights of the caliphate), Tuhfat al-Mulook and Haqeeqat al-Nubuwwah (The reality of prophethood).
The appointment of the Qadiani Zafar-Allaah Khan as the first Foreign Minister of Pakistan had a major effect in supporting this deviant sect, as he gave them a large area in the province of the Punjab to be their world headquarters, which they named Rabwah (high ground) as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning): “… And We gave them refuge on high ground (rabwah), a place of rest, security and flowing streams.” [al-Mu’minoon 23:50].
Their thought and beliefs
Ghulam Ahmad began his activities as an Islamic daa’iyah (caller to Islam) so that he could gather followers around him, then he claimed to be a mujaddid inspired by Allaah. Then he took a further step and claimed to be the Awaited Mahdi and the Promised Messiah. Then he claimed to be a Prophet and that his prophethood was higher than that of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).
The Qadianis believe that Allaah fasts, prays, sleeps, wakes up, writes, makes mistakes and has intercourse – exalted be Allaah far above all that they say.
The Qadiani believes that his god is English because he speaks to him in English.
The Qadianis believe that Prophethood did not end with Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), but that it is ongoing, and that Allaah sends a messenger when there is a need, and that Ghulam Ahmad is the best of all the Prophets.
They believe that Jibreel used to come down to Ghulam Ahmad and that he used to bring revelation to him, and that his inspirations are like the Qur’aan.
They say that there is no Qur’aan other than what the “Promised Messiah” (Ghulam Ahmad) brought, and no hadeeth except what is in accordance with his teachings, and no Prophet except under the leadership of Ghulam Ahmad.
They believe that their book was revealed. Its name is al-Kitaab al-Mubeen and it is different from the Holy Qur’aan.
They believe that they are followers of a new and independent religion and an independent Sharee’ah, and that the friends of Ghulam are like the Sahaabah.
They believe that Qadian is like Madeenah and Makkah, if not better than them, and that its land is sacred. It is their Qiblah and the place they make hajj to.
They called for the abolition of jihaad and blind obedience to the British government because, as they claimed, the British were “those in authority” as stated in the Qur’aan.
In their view every Muslim is a Kaafir unless he becomes a Qadiani, and everyone who married a non-Qadiani is also a kaafir.
They allow alcohol, opium, drugs and intoxicants.
Intellectual and ideological roots
The westernizing movement of Sir Sayyid Ahmad Khan paved the way for the emergence of the Qadianiyyah, because it had already spread deviant ideas.
The British made the most of this opportunity so they started the Qadiani movement and chose a man from a family that had a history of being agents of the colonialists.
In 1953 CE, there was a popular revolution in Pakistan which demanded the removal of Zafar-Allaah Khan from the position of Foreign Minister and that the Qadiani sect should be regarded as a non-Muslim minority. In this uprising around ten thousand Muslims were martyred, and they succeeded in having the Qadiani minister removed from office.
In Rabee’ al-Awwal 1394 AH (April 1974), a major conference was held by the Muslim World League in Makkah, which was attended by representatives of Muslim organizations from around the world. This conference announced that this sect is Kaafir and is beyond the pale of Islam, and told Muslims to resist its dangers and not to cooperate with the Qadianis or bury their dead in Muslim graveyards.
The Majlis al-Ummah in Pakistan (the central parliament) debated with the Qadiani leader Mirza Naasir Ahmad, and he was refuted by Shaykh Mufti Mahmood (may Allaah have mercy on him). The debate went on for nearly thirty hours but Naasir Ahmad was unable to give answers and the Kufr of this group was exposed, so the Majlis issued a statement that the Qadianis should be regarded as a non-Muslim minority.
Among the factors that make Mirza Ghulam Ahmad an obvious Kaafir are the following:
His claim to be a Prophet
His abolition of the duty of jihaad, to serve the interests of the colonialists.
His saying that people should no longer go on Hajj to Makkah, and his substitution of Qadian as the place of pilgrimage.
His anthropomorphism or likening Allaah to human beings.
His belief in the transmigration of souls and incarnation.
His attributing a son to Allaah and his claim to be the son of God.
His denying that Prophethood ended with Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and his regarding the door of Prophethood to be open to “any Tom, Dick or Harry”.
The Qadianis have strong ties with Israel. Israel has opened centres and schools for them, and helped them to publish a magazine which is their mouthpiece, to print books and publications for distribution worldwide.
The fact that they are influenced by Judaism, Christianity and al-Baatiniyyah is clear from their beliefs and practices, even though they claim to be Muslims.
Their spread and positions of influence
Most of the Qadianis nowadays live in India and Pakistan, with a few in Israel and the Arab world. They are trying, with the help of the colonialists, to obtain sensitive positions in all the places where they live.
The Qadianis are very active in Africa and in some western countries. In Africa they have more than 5,000 teachers and dai’yahs working full-time to call people to Qadianiyyah. Their wide-spread activity proves that they have the support of the colonialists.
The British government is also supporting this movement and making it easy for their followers to get positions in world governments, corporate administration and consulates. Some of them are also high-ranking officers in the secret services.
In calling people to their beliefs, the Qadianis use all kinds of methods, especially educational means, because they are highly-educated and there are many scientists, engineers and doctors in their ranks. In Britain there is a satellite TV channel called Islamic TV which is run by the Qadianis.
From the above, it is clear that:
Qadianiyyah is a misguided group, which is not part of Islam at all. Its beliefs are completely contradictory to Islam, so Muslims should beware of their activities, since the ‘Ulama’ (scholars) of Islam have stated that they are Kaafirs.
For more information see: Al-Qadianiyyah by Ihsaan Ilaahi Zaheer.
(Translator’s note: this book is available in English under the title “Qadiyaniat: an analytical survey” by Ehsan Elahi Zaheer)
Reference: Al-Mawsoo’ah al-Muyassarah fi’l-Adyaan al-Madhaahib wa’l-Ahzaab al-Mu’aasirah by Dr. Maani’ Hammad al-Juhani, 1/419-423
The following statement was published by the Islamic Fiqh Council (Majma’ al-Fiqh al-Islami):
After discussing the question put to the Islamic Fiqh Council in Capetown, South Africa, concerning the ruling on the Qadianis and their off-shoot which is known as Lahoriyyah, and whether they should be counted as Muslims or not, and whether a non-Muslim is qualified to examine an issue of this nature:
In the light of research and documents presented to the members of the council concerning Mirza Ghulam Ahmad al-Qadiani, who emerged in India in the last century and to whom is attributed the Qadiani and Lahori movements, and after pondering the information presented on these two groups, and after confirming that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad claimed to be a prophet who received revelation, a claim which is documented in his own writings and speeches, some of which he claimed to have received as revelation, a claim which he propagated all his life and asked people to believe in, just as it is also well-known that he denied many other things which are proven to be essential elements of the religion of Islam
in the light of the above, the Council issued the following statement:
Firstly: the claims of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad to be a prophet or a messenger and to receive revelation are clearly a rejection of proven and essential elements of Islam, which unequivocally states that Prophethood ended with Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and that no revelation will come to anyone after him. This claim made by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad makes him and anyone who agrees with him an apostate who is beyond the pale of Islam. As for the Lahoriyyah, they are like the Qadianiyyah: the same ruling of apostasy applies to them despite the fact that they described Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as a shadow and manifestation of our Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).
Secondly: it is not appropriate for a non-Muslim court or judge to give a ruling on who is a Muslim and who is an apostate, especially when this goes against the consensus of the scholars and organizations of the Muslim Ummah. Rulings of this nature are not acceptable unless they are issued by a Muslim scholar who knows all the requirements for being considered a Muslim, who knows when a person may be deemed to have overstepped the mark and become an apostate, who understands the realities of Islam and kufr, and who has comprehensive knowledge of what is stated in the Qur’aan, Sunnah and scholarly consensus. The ruling of a court of that nature is invalid. And Allaah knows best.
Majma’ al-Fiqh al-Islami, p. 13
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid
These Ahmadiyya's are not Muslims at all!
Qadianiyyah in the light of Islam
Question:
I appeal to you to answer the questions that I have previously submitted or to answer the one that follows, as the problem has for months caused me nothing but trouble in my local community. Even if I had the support of a fatwa, it might not help because this local community does not respect the ulama, but at least I would know that I am not erring.
I know that you cannot answer all questions, but surely something as important as this cannot be ignored. It is Ramadan and I hope for your answer.
1.If someone is not a qadiani but knows that they believe in a false prophet and accepts qadianis as a madhab in Islam, are they out of Islam? I believe that they are out of Islam, and I am acting on that belief in my conduct towards such people.
Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.
Definition:
Qadianiyyah is a movement that started in 1900 CE as a plot by the British colonialists in the Indian subcontinent, with the aim of diverting Muslims away from their religion and from the obligation of jihaad in particular, so that they would not oppose colonialism in the name of Islam. The mouthpiece of this movement is the magazine Majallat Al-Adyaan (Magazine if Religions) which was published in English.
Foundation and prominent personalities:
Mirza Ghulam Ahmad al-Qadiani (1839-1908 CE) was the main tool by means of which Qadianiyyah was founded. He was born in the village of Qadian, in the Punjab, in India, in 1839 CE. He came from a family that was well known for having betrayed its religion and country, so Ghulam Ahmad grew up loyal and obedient to the colonialists in every sense. Thus he was chosen for the role of a so-called prophet, so that the Muslims would gather around him and he would distract them from waging jihaad against the English colonialists. The British government did lots of favours for them, so they were loyal to the British. Ghulam Ahmad was known among his followers to be unstable, with a lot of health problems and dependent on drugs.
Among those who confronted him and his evil da’wah was Shaykh Abu’l-Wafa’ Thana’ al-Amritsari, the leader of Jama’iyyat Ahl al-Hadeeth fi ‘Umoom al-Hind (The All-India Society of Ahl al-Hadeeth). The Shaykh debated with him and refuted his arguments, revealing his ulterior motives and Kufr and the deviation of his way. When Ghulam Ahmad did not come to his senses, Shaykh Abu’l-Wafa’ challenged him to come together and invoke the curse of Allaah, such that the one who was lying would die in the lifetime of the one who was telling the truth. Only a few days passed before Mirza Ghulam Ahmad al-Qadiani died, in 1908 CE, leaving behind more than fifty books, pamphlets and articles, among the most important of which are: Izaalat al-Awhaam (Dispelling illusions), I’jaaz Ahmadi (Ahmadi miracles), Baraaheen Ahmadiyyah (Ahmadi proofs), Anwaar al-Islam (Lights of Islam), I’jaaz al-Maseeh (Miracles of the Messiah), al-Tableegh (Conveying (the message))and Tajalliyyaat Ilaahiyyah (Divine manifestations).
Noor al-Deen (Nuruddin): the first Khaleefah of the Qadianis. The British put the crown of Khilaafah on his head, so the disciples (of Ghulam Ahmad) followed him. Among his books is: Fasl al-Khitaab (Definitive statement).
Muhammad Ali and Khojah Kamaal al-Deen: the two leaders of the Lahore Qadianis. They are the ones who gave the final shape to the movement. The former produced a distorted translation into English of the Qur’aan. His other works include: Haqeeqat al-Ikhtilaaf (The reality of differences), al-Nubuwwah fi’l-Islam (Prophethood in Islam) and al-Deen al-Islami (The Islamic religion). As for Khojah Kamaal al-Deen, he wrote a book called al-Mathal al-A’laa fi’l-Anbiya’ (The highest example of the Prophets), and other books. This Lahore group of Ahmadis are those who think of Ghulam Ahmad as a Mujaddid (renewer or reviver of Islam) only, but both groups are viewed as a single movement because odd ideas that are not seen in the one will surely be found in the other.
Muhammad Ali: the leader of the Lahore Qadianis. He was one of those who gave the final shape to Qadianiyyah, a colonialist spy and the person in charge of the magazine which was the voice of the Qadianiyyah. He also produced a distorted translation into English of the Qur’aan. Among his works are Haqeeqat al-Ikhtilaaf (The reality of differences), and al-Nubuwwah fi’l-Islam (Prophethood in Islam), as stated above.
Muhammad Saadiq, the mufti of the Qadianiyyah. His works include: Khatim al-Nabiyyeen The seal of the Prophets).
Basheer Ahmad ibn Ghulam. His works include: Seerat al-Mahdi (the life of the Mahdi) and Kalimat al-Fasl (Decisive word).
Mahmood Ahmad ibn Ghulam, his second Khaleefah. Among his works are: Anwaar al-Khilaafah (Lights of the caliphate), Tuhfat al-Mulook and Haqeeqat al-Nubuwwah (The reality of prophethood).
The appointment of the Qadiani Zafar-Allaah Khan as the first Foreign Minister of Pakistan had a major effect in supporting this deviant sect, as he gave them a large area in the province of the Punjab to be their world headquarters, which they named Rabwah (high ground) as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning): “… And We gave them refuge on high ground (rabwah), a place of rest, security and flowing streams.” [al-Mu’minoon 23:50].
Their thought and beliefs
Ghulam Ahmad began his activities as an Islamic daa’iyah (caller to Islam) so that he could gather followers around him, then he claimed to be a mujaddid inspired by Allaah. Then he took a further step and claimed to be the Awaited Mahdi and the Promised Messiah. Then he claimed to be a Prophet and that his prophethood was higher than that of Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).
The Qadianis believe that Allaah fasts, prays, sleeps, wakes up, writes, makes mistakes and has intercourse – exalted be Allaah far above all that they say.
The Qadiani believes that his god is English because he speaks to him in English.
The Qadianis believe that Prophethood did not end with Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), but that it is ongoing, and that Allaah sends a messenger when there is a need, and that Ghulam Ahmad is the best of all the Prophets.
They believe that Jibreel used to come down to Ghulam Ahmad and that he used to bring revelation to him, and that his inspirations are like the Qur’aan.
They say that there is no Qur’aan other than what the “Promised Messiah” (Ghulam Ahmad) brought, and no hadeeth except what is in accordance with his teachings, and no Prophet except under the leadership of Ghulam Ahmad.
They believe that their book was revealed. Its name is al-Kitaab al-Mubeen and it is different from the Holy Qur’aan.
They believe that they are followers of a new and independent religion and an independent Sharee’ah, and that the friends of Ghulam are like the Sahaabah.
They believe that Qadian is like Madeenah and Makkah, if not better than them, and that its land is sacred. It is their Qiblah and the place they make hajj to.
They called for the abolition of jihaad and blind obedience to the British government because, as they claimed, the British were “those in authority” as stated in the Qur’aan.
In their view every Muslim is a Kaafir unless he becomes a Qadiani, and everyone who married a non-Qadiani is also a kaafir.
They allow alcohol, opium, drugs and intoxicants.
Intellectual and ideological roots
The westernizing movement of Sir Sayyid Ahmad Khan paved the way for the emergence of the Qadianiyyah, because it had already spread deviant ideas.
The British made the most of this opportunity so they started the Qadiani movement and chose a man from a family that had a history of being agents of the colonialists.
In 1953 CE, there was a popular revolution in Pakistan which demanded the removal of Zafar-Allaah Khan from the position of Foreign Minister and that the Qadiani sect should be regarded as a non-Muslim minority. In this uprising around ten thousand Muslims were martyred, and they succeeded in having the Qadiani minister removed from office.
In Rabee’ al-Awwal 1394 AH (April 1974), a major conference was held by the Muslim World League in Makkah, which was attended by representatives of Muslim organizations from around the world. This conference announced that this sect is Kaafir and is beyond the pale of Islam, and told Muslims to resist its dangers and not to cooperate with the Qadianis or bury their dead in Muslim graveyards.
The Majlis al-Ummah in Pakistan (the central parliament) debated with the Qadiani leader Mirza Naasir Ahmad, and he was refuted by Shaykh Mufti Mahmood (may Allaah have mercy on him). The debate went on for nearly thirty hours but Naasir Ahmad was unable to give answers and the Kufr of this group was exposed, so the Majlis issued a statement that the Qadianis should be regarded as a non-Muslim minority.
Among the factors that make Mirza Ghulam Ahmad an obvious Kaafir are the following:
His claim to be a Prophet
His abolition of the duty of jihaad, to serve the interests of the colonialists.
His saying that people should no longer go on Hajj to Makkah, and his substitution of Qadian as the place of pilgrimage.
His anthropomorphism or likening Allaah to human beings.
His belief in the transmigration of souls and incarnation.
His attributing a son to Allaah and his claim to be the son of God.
His denying that Prophethood ended with Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and his regarding the door of Prophethood to be open to “any Tom, Dick or Harry”.
The Qadianis have strong ties with Israel. Israel has opened centres and schools for them, and helped them to publish a magazine which is their mouthpiece, to print books and publications for distribution worldwide.
The fact that they are influenced by Judaism, Christianity and al-Baatiniyyah is clear from their beliefs and practices, even though they claim to be Muslims.
Their spread and positions of influence
Most of the Qadianis nowadays live in India and Pakistan, with a few in Israel and the Arab world. They are trying, with the help of the colonialists, to obtain sensitive positions in all the places where they live.
The Qadianis are very active in Africa and in some western countries. In Africa they have more than 5,000 teachers and dai’yahs working full-time to call people to Qadianiyyah. Their wide-spread activity proves that they have the support of the colonialists.
The British government is also supporting this movement and making it easy for their followers to get positions in world governments, corporate administration and consulates. Some of them are also high-ranking officers in the secret services.
In calling people to their beliefs, the Qadianis use all kinds of methods, especially educational means, because they are highly-educated and there are many scientists, engineers and doctors in their ranks. In Britain there is a satellite TV channel called Islamic TV which is run by the Qadianis.
From the above, it is clear that:
Qadianiyyah is a misguided group, which is not part of Islam at all. Its beliefs are completely contradictory to Islam, so Muslims should beware of their activities, since the ‘Ulama’ (scholars) of Islam have stated that they are Kaafirs.
For more information see: Al-Qadianiyyah by Ihsaan Ilaahi Zaheer.
(Translator’s note: this book is available in English under the title “Qadiyaniat: an analytical survey” by Ehsan Elahi Zaheer)
Reference: Al-Mawsoo’ah al-Muyassarah fi’l-Adyaan al-Madhaahib wa’l-Ahzaab al-Mu’aasirah by Dr. Maani’ Hammad al-Juhani, 1/419-423
The following statement was published by the Islamic Fiqh Council (Majma’ al-Fiqh al-Islami):
After discussing the question put to the Islamic Fiqh Council in Capetown, South Africa, concerning the ruling on the Qadianis and their off-shoot which is known as Lahoriyyah, and whether they should be counted as Muslims or not, and whether a non-Muslim is qualified to examine an issue of this nature:
In the light of research and documents presented to the members of the council concerning Mirza Ghulam Ahmad al-Qadiani, who emerged in India in the last century and to whom is attributed the Qadiani and Lahori movements, and after pondering the information presented on these two groups, and after confirming that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad claimed to be a prophet who received revelation, a claim which is documented in his own writings and speeches, some of which he claimed to have received as revelation, a claim which he propagated all his life and asked people to believe in, just as it is also well-known that he denied many other things which are proven to be essential elements of the religion of Islam
in the light of the above, the Council issued the following statement:
Firstly: the claims of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad to be a prophet or a messenger and to receive revelation are clearly a rejection of proven and essential elements of Islam, which unequivocally states that Prophethood ended with Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and that no revelation will come to anyone after him. This claim made by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad makes him and anyone who agrees with him an apostate who is beyond the pale of Islam. As for the Lahoriyyah, they are like the Qadianiyyah: the same ruling of apostasy applies to them despite the fact that they described Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as a shadow and manifestation of our Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).
Secondly: it is not appropriate for a non-Muslim court or judge to give a ruling on who is a Muslim and who is an apostate, especially when this goes against the consensus of the scholars and organizations of the Muslim Ummah. Rulings of this nature are not acceptable unless they are issued by a Muslim scholar who knows all the requirements for being considered a Muslim, who knows when a person may be deemed to have overstepped the mark and become an apostate, who understands the realities of Islam and kufr, and who has comprehensive knowledge of what is stated in the Qur’aan, Sunnah and scholarly consensus. The ruling of a court of that nature is invalid. And Allaah knows best.
Majma’ al-Fiqh al-Islami, p. 13
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid
Ahmed_2000
Servant of Allah
Asalaam Allaikum
Shukran.. sistrer hurul-ein
this is a nice info
Asalaam Allaikum
Shukran.. sistrer hurul-ein
this is a nice info
Asalaam Allaikum
Noor to shine
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:salam2: sister hurul-ein:
All those sects which deviated from the true message of prophet mohammad :saw2: were encourged by the enemies of Islam to weaken the message and stop it ...but Alhamduliallah Allah kept his message freh in the hearts of the true believers ....May Allah keep faith firm in our hearts.
All those sects which deviated from the true message of prophet mohammad :saw2: were encourged by the enemies of Islam to weaken the message and stop it ...but Alhamduliallah Allah kept his message freh in the hearts of the true believers ....May Allah keep faith firm in our hearts.
Ameen to that.
You guys are great!
Thanks to every one for thier info about this subject. I compared a few of the translated versus in the quran that i have with other revisions. Compared it to Dr. Picktall's translation, and Ali's, it says basicaly the same thing. The verse i compared was 24:55. It was same, but the commentary, Mualana Muhammad Ali, talked about the guy how he claimed to be a prophet or something. I thought this was unessessary comment for the verse. The verse is clear in massege. I am going to the book store this week, for another translation of the
quran. Just want to be safe.
Thanks again for all info!
Peace.
Thanks to every one for thier info about this subject. I compared a few of the translated versus in the quran that i have with other revisions. Compared it to Dr. Picktall's translation, and Ali's, it says basicaly the same thing. The verse i compared was 24:55. It was same, but the commentary, Mualana Muhammad Ali, talked about the guy how he claimed to be a prophet or something. I thought this was unessessary comment for the verse. The verse is clear in massege. I am going to the book store this week, for another translation of the
quran. Just want to be safe.
Thanks again for all info!
Peace.
Basicofislam
sister
Assalamalikum brother. Ahmaddiyya are not muslim. It would be better to pick a translation by Abdullah yusuf ali or pickthal
No pwoblemo.
Jazakallaahu Khayr also for bringing up this subject. It might have enlightened others as well who had the same concern Insha Allaah.
Jazakallaahu Khayr also for bringing up this subject. It might have enlightened others as well who had the same concern Insha Allaah.
I thought about that when i posted this topic question. Glad to know people out there can shed light on this.
Peace
justoneofmillion
Junior Member
muhammad asad is a good translation too!wassalam
MOSABJA
Junior Member
ANTI QADIANI MOVEMENT
I live in Pakistan and I am part of anti qadiani movement. Pakistan is the centre of these Qadianies .They say that there Mirza Ghulam Ahmed is a prophet. The 10 lost tribes are Pathan(article in turn to islam lounge LOST TRIBES OF ISRAEL). These people have their graveyard which they claim to be their jannah.These people are very rich and offer money to those who are willing to convert. Sir Zafarullah choudry(Qadiani ambassador of Pakistan 1948) did not attend the funeral of Quaid e Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah ( the founder of Pakistan) as they consider all the muslims to be kaffirs. these people misguided Kashmiri Mujahideen in 1947 and created the Kashmir problem . They were also responsible for 1965 war of Pakistan with India in which Pakistan was put in great danger but somehow managed to defend itslef. They have closely collaborated with ZIONIST MOVEMENT and they have their headquarters in HAIFA.They are spreading secularism in Pakistan and they also tried to steal the secrets of Pakistan Nuclear Facilities (only nuclear power of muslim world) so the people of Pakistan have started an anti qadiani movement to get these freaks out of this country.
FOR MORE INFORMATION
alhafeez.org/rashid/
I live in Pakistan and I am part of anti qadiani movement. Pakistan is the centre of these Qadianies .They say that there Mirza Ghulam Ahmed is a prophet. The 10 lost tribes are Pathan(article in turn to islam lounge LOST TRIBES OF ISRAEL). These people have their graveyard which they claim to be their jannah.These people are very rich and offer money to those who are willing to convert. Sir Zafarullah choudry(Qadiani ambassador of Pakistan 1948) did not attend the funeral of Quaid e Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah ( the founder of Pakistan) as they consider all the muslims to be kaffirs. these people misguided Kashmiri Mujahideen in 1947 and created the Kashmir problem . They were also responsible for 1965 war of Pakistan with India in which Pakistan was put in great danger but somehow managed to defend itslef. They have closely collaborated with ZIONIST MOVEMENT and they have their headquarters in HAIFA.They are spreading secularism in Pakistan and they also tried to steal the secrets of Pakistan Nuclear Facilities (only nuclear power of muslim world) so the people of Pakistan have started an anti qadiani movement to get these freaks out of this country.
FOR MORE INFORMATION
alhafeez.org/rashid/