help me plz! things to say to convert a kafir to islam

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Aisya al-Humaira

الحمدلله على كل حال
Bismillahi Ar-Rahmaan Ar-Raheem.

La haw la wa la quwwata illa billah! La ila ha illa anta subhanaka inni kun tu minaddhalimeen.

I am very sadden indeed. Of the discussions going on in this thread. While it is fine to ask for proof for a better understanding, but I dont see the need to be HARSH and UNKIND to this sister. From her first post, all she asked was for some positive comments for her to gain some strengths to move on in her life. But unfortunately it is the opposite thats been happening on this board. Ya Allaah, Ya Rabbi, forgive us Ya Rabb. Forgive us!

Brothers and sisters, if you remain to not believe that what happened is true and not some sort of a fairy tale, then it is up to you. But PLEASE refrain from saying bad words to one another. Are we not Muslims who are compassionate and loving towards each other? Are we not an ummaah who will stand with each other no matter in what circumstances?

This thread is not to debate whether Jinn exist or not, how everything happen etc etc. This thread was strated by a sister to get some words of encouragement. If any of you wants to debate on this issue, kindly open another thread.

Here, I will post a fatwa that I requested those who do not believe to read it, but seems like maybe some dont even bother to click on the link.

Jinn possession and the rulings on jinn possession

Can jinn possess humans? And if this is possible, then how will the person be able to account for their actions, whilst they were possessed, on the Day of Judgement?.

Praise be to Allaah.

Firstly:

Yes, it is possible for jinn to possess humans. Allaah says in His Book (Interpretation of the meaning):

“Those who eat Ribaa [usury] will not stand (on the Day of Resurrection) except like the standing of a person beaten by Shaytaan (Satan) leading him to insanity”

[al-Baqarah 2:275]

See also the answers to questions no. 11447, 42073, 39214 and 1819.

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

The fact that a jinni may enter the body of a human is proven by the consensus of the imams of Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Those who eat Ribaa [usury] will not stand (on the Day of Resurrection) except like the standing of a person beaten by Shaytaan (Satan) leading him to insanity”

[al-Baqarah 2:275]

and in al-Saheeh it is narrated from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) that “The shaytaan flows through the son of Adam like blood.” End quote.

Majmoo’ al-Fataawa (24/276, 277)

Secondly:

Possession is a kind of sickness. If a person who has this sickness is rational, then he has the choice and he will be brought to account for his words and actions. But if this sickness has overwhelmed him to the point that he has lost his mind and free will, then he is like one who is insane and is not accountable. Hence in Arabic the word mass (possession) is used to refer to junoon (insanity). See Lisaan al-‘Arab (6/217). But if he commits an act of aggression against another when he is insane and destroys his property, for example, then he must pay compensation for that.

See: Zaad al-Ma’aad (4/66-71)

It says in al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah (16/106):

The fuqaha’ are unanimously agreed that insanity is like unconsciousness and sleep, rather it is more severe in the loss of free will, and it makes whatever he says invalid. For the one who is sleeping, all his verbal statements, such as divorce, becoming Muslim, turning apostate, selling, buying, etc, are invalid. So it is more appropriate that such statements be invalid in the case of insanity, because the insane person has no power of reasoning or discernment. They quoted as evidence for that the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “The Pen has been raised from three: the sleeper until he awakens, the child until he reaches maturity and the insane person until he comes back to his senses.” Narrated by the authors of Sunan with a saheeh isnaad. The same applies to all verbal statements because of the potential for harm. End quote.

In (16/107) it says:

With regard to the rights of people such as compensation and the like: these are not waived, because he is not accountable for them, rather his guardian is responsible for paying financial dues from the wealth of the insane person. If he commits some crimes, he is accountable for them financially but not physically. If he destroys a person’s property when he is in a state of insanity, compensation must be paid, but if he kills someone there is no qisaas (retaliation), but the diyah must be paid.

And Allaah knows best.

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To all of those who have an inch of sympathy to our sister, do remember her in your prayers. I think thats the best we can do so far for her. May Allaah heal her soon. Ameen Ameen Ameen.

Last but not least, I dont see the need for any further discussion since the thread starter dont seem to want to reply anymore.

Lets muhasabaah on ourselves brothers and sister. Whats been happening in this thread, was it a good thing or vice versa? Astaghfirullah. I feel sad. I really do feel so.

Anyways, I hope you'll take care Sis.

Wassalam.
 

Seeking Allah's Mercy

Qul HuwaAllahu Ahud!
Bismillahi Ar-Rahmaan Ar-Raheem.





To all of those who have an inch of sympathy to our sister, do remember her in your prayers. I think thats the best we can do so far for her. May Allaah heal her soon. Ameen Ameen Ameen.
Last but not least, I dont see the need for any further discussion since the thread starter dont seem to want to reply anymore.

Lets muhasabaah on ourselves brothers and sister. Whats been happening in this thread, was it a good thing or vice versa? Astaghfirullah. I feel sad. I really do feel so.

Anyways, I hope you'll take care Sis.

Wassalam.


i think you are right sister we should pray things go easy on our sister!!

an yeah this thread ought to be closed now since it's offending the sister who started it and she want s to participate no more!!!

the discussion is going no where and i got doubly confused with it all!!


so perhaps the modzz should put a lock here!!

:wasalam:wa rahamtullahi wabarakatuhu!!
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Assalaam walikum,

People read what you are suggesting. Now you are suggesting she is insane.

Sister do not be angry with me. I am not the one who is possessed. You should be angry with the jinn. Your anger directed at me lets me know you have control over this jinn. Think about that sister.

As you want sympathy ..go for it. Is this the way you really want to live this life. Angry with everyone..making excuses..and feeling sorry for yourself. And as others have written you were in a impure state when the jinn entered you.

This is not life..this is pathology. You are so satisfied with your state you do not seek medical help. You are playing a game. If you know it is a jinn..have the medical field rule out everything else.

Think sister..do you really want your child to be sujected to your whims everyday. Think very hard.

I do not play with Allah subhana talla. I worship Him. Do not play with the divine. Do not please. Are you so foolish as to not think of the consequences.

Sorry sister tell your jinn I can reply...he's in charge of you not me.
 

Kakorot

Junior Member
yes you are right, this is why i havent responded to anyones questions. im sick of judgements and jokes and people saying 'sorry i said this' or 'with all do respect in saying ....' when they mean it and say it again.

not making sense here.

if people think im crazy and need medical help and keep saying 'we need answers, why wont you answer our questions' well i dont have to answer your questions for the reason, all the info i gave you, half of the messages i got is joking and judging me and making it sound like im lying or crazy, i therefore refuse to give anymore info. why should i, so everyone can joke and argue more. i actually personally send a private message to those i feel deserve answers and understand what im going through.

as for Aapa, i answer your questions, then you ask for more, then you ask for proof then you ask other stuff and you still dont understand what im going through and try to be mr nice, you tell me im not answering your questions because i only answer to what i want, no thats not true, i gave you enough info, im not obliged to give you allllllllllllll my personal info. who do you think you are. i should not have given you full details but i did coz i thought you will use your brain and understand, but all the answer i've given you and still you want more. i asked for positive post regarding my message, so your not welcome to reply!!!!

go find someone else who you can try your 'doctor skills' on!

i dont need a doctor, i have allah. i dont need medications, i have quran! i dont need another evil person seeking personal info from me or trying to stick their nose into my private life and asking me for more details! how dare you. you make me sick!!!

thanks toooo who stood by me. i havent responded in ages because i cant stand some peoples post and if i dont reply to them they think im doing this for attention and dont have an answer. but thank you to all who made dua and gave positive post.

i refuse to reply to anymore negative post or those who want personal answers. if i like the person and feel they are not judging me, i will send them a private message.

salam to all.

thank you so much Shaney, i really really want allah to give you a gift from me. i will pray and ask allah to gift you and give you good deeds for giving me advice and for sticking up for me.:tti_sister:

:salam2: sis.

I read through your thread and I was going to reply, as I too strongly believe in jinn possessing humans. I know quite a few people who are currently possessed. If I was to say some things, then people will think I'm crazy.
I stick by you where you say you don't have to reveal all your personal details, I mean to me you've stated what is necessary. Just ignore them sis.

May Allaah give you shif'aa. I hear of a lot of people getting possessed in their bathroom. That's why we say a du'aa: http://www.islamic-knowledge.com/Hisn_al_Muslim/Bathroom.htm

I beleive what you say sis, and I find it so rude that some people can even criticise you. If they were going through a similar situation to yours, then maybe they wouldn't be so quick to talk. ¬__¬
 

Kakorot

Junior Member
Assalaam walikum,

People read what you are suggesting. Now you are suggesting she is insane.

Sister do not be angry with me. I am not the one who is possessed. You should be angry with the jinn. Your anger directed at me lets me know you have control over this jinn. Think about that sister.

As you want sympathy ..go for it. Is this the way you really want to live this life. Angry with everyone..making excuses..and feeling sorry for yourself. And as others have written you were in a impure state when the jinn entered you.

This is not life..this is pathology. You are so satisfied with your state you do not seek medical help. You are playing a game. If you know it is a jinn..have the medical field rule out everything else.

Think sister..do you really want your child to be sujected to your whims everyday. Think very hard.

I do not play with Allah subhana talla. I worship Him. Do not play with the divine. Do not please. Are you so foolish as to not think of the consequences.

Sorry sister tell your jinn I can reply...he's in charge of you not me.

:wasalam:

Don't get offended by what I say, but you are so not funny! How is she feeling sorry for herself? She's just speaking of her experience. It seems that anyone that wants help, to you it's wanting attention or they are feeling sorry for themselves. But when you have a problem, and you tell any of us, we support you and speak kind words to you. We don't say oh mirajmom, you just want attention or your feeling sorry for yourself. And just because you may be older than us, doesn't mean you can tell us everything about the world because of what you have experienced, because everyone is different and have different experiences. If you don't believe in jinn possession, then ok you don't believe. This sister has been through a lot and we should believe what she says and make du'aa for her. Not be sarcastic! It must be irritating for her to read the replies, when she thought that she might be getting support.

I don't mean to be rude to you in any way. If you think I have then I'm really sorry and please forgive me sister. I love you Aapa for Allaah's sake, but sometimes you need to know that your words may hurt people, even if you don't realise it.

I know people that have seeked medical help because of jinn possession and the doctors couldn't find out what the problem was. Some sisters even ended up on wheelchairs because of sihr and the doctors still don't know how it happened. One should definately seek medical attention, but ultimately, it is the qur'aan which provides the cure to jinn possession.
 

Aapa

Mirajmom
Asalaam walaikum,

Not one person was able to give authentic answers to the question of possession.
Emotions are everywhere.

You have a person who claims to be possessed. We do not even know who made the pronouncement that this is a real possession. Is there a document.
How do we know that this is not the jinn writing? I am not being funny. I have stated over and over again I take this seriously.

I take this more seriously than you. As I am older I know the consequences of life. If one says one is than one is...that is true. If you say you are kind you are kind. If you say you are possessed you must be.

I find it very disturbing that this thread has people defending that which they have no knowledge. If you are so willing to defend this possession to the point of making personal attacks on someone who is asking that we rule out that which is not marks of possession...you are playing the devil's advocate.

This is not a child. This is a 27 year old wife and mother. She has to make serious choices. If the child goes to school and someone finds out that her mother is possessed they will remove the child from her custody. Thats what I am taking about.

The sister does not want help. She told us she has the answers. Yet, she is angry and her anger is flowing over to girls. I am never sarcastic. If you read one of my earlier responses I stated not be. We are warned in the Quran.

Truth does not hurt. Truth hits you in the middle of your face. I have not hurt this person. I am simply asking her to be truthful with us.

Now, I am very confused. We have a person who has been possessed for a decade. And I am hurting her feelings. The last thing a possessed person needs to worry about is me. I would be spending my time getting a way to get rid of this jinn.

How can the jinn be so strong..that she has time to be angry and spread the anger to young girls.

I am through with this. I am greatly distrubed that this website is reduced to silly girls who are possessed by jinns and anyone questioning the veracity of possessions and definitions of possession is attacked.

I am very disturbed that Islam is facing a mini-crisis of young female possessions. I pray that Allah subhana talla send us a remedy. And I suggest any young man who is in the marrying age make sure he ask the question of are you or have you ever been possessed.

I forgive you..alas..you poor things. You have wished evil upon me, made fun of my intelligence..made fun of my age. and even made fun of my life..and only because I am strong in my faith. Even the jinns know who not to go near.

Walaikum assalaam
 

Abu Talib

Feeling low
:salam2:

Jinn entering human bodies

The fact that jinn can enter human bodies is proven in the Qur’aan and Sunnah, and by the consensus of Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah, and by real-life events. No one disputes this apart from the Mu’tazilah who give priority to their own rational analysis over the evidence of the Qur’aan and Sunnah. We will mention a little about this below:

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Those who eat Ribaa will not stand (on the Day of Resurrection) except like the standing of a person beaten by Shaytaan (Satan) leading him to insanity. That is because they say: ‘Trading is only like Ribaa’…” [al-Baqarah 2:275]

Al-Qurtubi said in his Tafseer (part 3, p. 355): “This aayah is proof that those people are wrong who deny that epilepsy is caused by the jinn and claim that its causes are only physical, and that the Shaytaan does not enter people or cause madness.”

Ibn Katheer said in his Tafseer (part 1, p. 32), after mentioning the aayah quoted above: “They will not rise from their graves on the Day of Resurrection except like the way in which the epileptic rises during his seizure, when he is beaten by the Shaytaan. This is because they will rise in a very bad state. Ibn ‘Abbaas said: the one who consumes ribaa will rise on the Day of Resurrection crazy and choking.”

According to a saheeh hadeeth narrated by al-Nasaa’i from Abu’l-Yusr, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to pray: “Allaahumma innee a’oodhu bika min al-taraddi wa’l-haram wa’l-gharaq wa’l-harq, wa a’oodhu bika an yatakhabatani al-shaytaan ‘ind al-mawt ( O Allaah, I seek refuge with You from being thrown from a high place, old age, drowning and burning; and I seek refuge with You from being beaten by the Shaytaan at the time of death).” Commenting on this hadeeth in Al-Fayd (part 2, p.148), al-Manaawi said: “[The phrase] ‘and I seek refuge with You from being beaten by the Shaytaan at the time of death’ means, lest he should wrestle with me and play with me, and damage my religious commitment or mental state (at the time of death) by means of his insinuating whispers which cause people to slip or lose their minds. The Shaytaan could take control of a person when he is about to depart this world, and misguide him or stop him from repenting…”

Ibn Taymiyah (Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 42/276) said: “The fact that jinn can enter human bodies is proven by the consensus of Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): ‘Those who eat Ribaa will not stand (on the Day of Resurrection) except like the standing of a person beaten by Shaytaan (Satan) leading him to insanity. That is because they say: ‘Trading is only like Ribaa’…’ [al-Baqarah 2:275]. And in as-Saheeh it is narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘The Shaytaan flows through the son of Adam as the blood flows through his veins.’”

‘Abd-Allaah ibn al-Imaam Ahmad ibn Hanbal said; “I said to my father, ‘There are some people who say that the jinn do not enter the body of the epileptic.’ He said: ‘O my son, they are lying; the jinn could speak through this person.’” Commenting on this, Ibn Qudaamah said: “What he said is well known, because a person may suffer an epileptic seizure and speak in a language that no one understands, and his body may be beaten with blows that would fell a camel, but the epileptic does not feel them at all, and he is also unaware of the words he is saying. The epileptic and others may be dragged about, or the carpet on which he is sitting may be pulled, and utensils may be moved about from place to place, and other things may happen. Anyone who witnesses such a thing will know for sure that the one who is speaking through the person and moving these things is not human.” And he said, may Allaah have mercy on him: “There is no one among the imaams of the Muslims who denies that jinn may enter the body of the epileptic and others. Anyone who denies that and claims that Islam denies it is lying about Islam. There is nothing in the proofs of sharee’ah to show that it does not happen.”

So the fact that jinn may enter human bodies is proven in the Qur’aan and Sunnah, and by the consensus of Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah, some of whose comments we have quoted above.

As regards the aayah (interpretation of the meaning): “but they could not thus harm anyone except by Allaah’s Leave” [al-Baqarah 2:102], this is undoubtedly a clear indication that the jinn cannot harm anyone through witchcraft or epilepsy or through any other kind of disturbance or misguidance, except with the permission of Allaah. As al-Hasan al-Basri said: “Whomever Allaah wills, He gives them power over him, and whomever He does not will, He does not give them power over him, and they cannot do anything to anyone except with the permission of Allaah.” The Shaytaan (who is the disbelieving jinn) may gain power over the believers by making them sin and by making them neglect the remembrance and Tawheed of Allaah and sincerity in worshipping Him. But he has no power over the righteous slaves of Allaah, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, My slaves (i.e. the true believers of Islamic Monotheism) — you have no authority over them. And All-Sufficient is your Lord as a Guardian” [al-Israa’ 17:65]

During the Jaahiliyyah the Arabs were well aware of this and mentioned it in their poetry. For example, the poet al-A’shaa likened his she-camel’s energy to that of one who was touched by the jinn, and said that it was the jinn who was giving her her energy.

As regards the causes of epilepsy, Ibn Taymiyah explained (in Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 19/39) the causes. He said: “When the jinn touch a person with epilepsy, it may be because of desire or love, just as happens between one human and another… or it may – as is usually the case – be because of hatred and punishment, such as when a person has harmed them or they think that he has harmed them deliberately, either by urinating on them or pouring hot water on them or killing them, even if the person did that unknowingly. There are ignorant and wrongdoing ones among the jinn who may punish a person more than he deserves, or they may be playing with him and mistreating him, like foolish people among mankind.”

And I say: the way to save oneself from this is to remember Allaah and speak His Name at the beginning of all things, as it was reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to mention Allaah in many cases, such as when eating, drinking, mounting his riding-beast, taking off his clothes for any reason, having intercourse and so on…

As regards treatment (of one whose body has been entered by the jinn), Ibn Taymiyah said (Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 19/42): “When the jinn attack a person, they should be told of the rulings of Allaah and His Messenger, proof should be established against them, and they should be commanded to do what is good and told not to do what is evil, just as should be done in the case of people, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): ‘And We never punish until We have sent a Messenger (to give warning)’ [al-Israa’ 17:15].” Then he said: “If the jinn does not leave after being addressed in this manner, then it is permissible to rebuke him, tell him off, threaten him and curse him, as the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did with the Shaytaan when he came with a falling star to throw it in his face, and the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I seek refuge with Allaah from you and I curse you with the curse of Allaah” – three times. (Narrated by al-Bukhaari).We may also seek help against the jinn by remembering Allaah (dhikr) and reciting Qur’aan, especially Aayat al-Kursi. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever recites it will remain under the protection of Allaah and no shaytaan (devil) will be able to approach him until the morning.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari). And al-Mi’wadhatayn (the last two soorahs of the Qur’aan) may also be recited.

As for psychiatrists who do not treat the epileptic in the manner described, they cannot do him any good at all.

This issue may be discussed in much more detail, but what we have said here is sufficient for those who want to know a little about this matter, Praise be to Allaah, the Lord of the Worlds.
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Can we see the jinn? Do they have a real form?
 

carpy321

Junior Member
salam.

not sure if this would help at all but.. i reverted due to the beauty of the azan. the mosque i went to central london was beautiful. ive also seen 5 other brothers revert due to it mashalla
 
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