Iran nuclear work raises threats to region

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    New president of Egypt has told he wants to create better contacts to Iran to make more balance to area of Middle East. Isn´t that more sensible way to behave than try to create more threats of shias and Iran?
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    Quest for Unity within the Ummah, is it a myth?

    Asalam wailkium

    What you call proxies, Iran would call them allies or friends/brothers, why are the arab puppet governments allowed to have usa and europe as allies and supporters, countries who routinely bomb various muslim nations with their predator drones, why is it ok for the arab dictators to have allies with foriegn forces yet when Iran has allies with fellow Muslims within the region in defence against foreign interference this is viewed as a problem?

    Brother your the one who said they're developing nuclear weaponary, so it is upon the accusers to provide the evidence and i repeat again, speculation and theorising is not evidence. Iran has given full access according to the IAEA but they will not let USA or the EU use that as a means to gain logistically information on Iranian territory for a future attack. No country would allow that, you want Iran to end up like Iraq?

    These arms race between Iran and GCC will spray each with with bullets and bombs. -This is a false comparison, the GCC countries are not independent, we know they are puppets to their western masters a matter you keep referring to them as if they are free, independent Muslim/Arab nations when in reality they are not.

    Iran should stop their nuke ambition to avoid opening the nuke race. This will greatly calm down GCC countries. -it is the RIGHT of Iran to develop any technology since it is a soverign country and just like any other country, it seeks to develop itself for the prosperity of it's people. It's like saying to the GCC stop selling Oil because to avoid global warming, or USA should stop developing planes incase they use it to attack peoplel, or china should stop developing it's shuttlecrafts to avoid space race/weaponisation. This is totally absurd. Lastly, do you want the entire world to be technologically developed except the Muslims? Do you want the Muslims to depend on the east and the west for technology? Shouldn't we master the fields of technologu as our forefather once did?

    Amir of Science.

    @sister harb: for Egypt to make better contact with Iran is a positive step, all Muslim countries should have better relationships with one another for the stability and unity of the region. Only those who are obsessed with sectarian supremacy (religious zealots on eithier) side are the ones who are preventing reunification of this Ummah. Such unity would definetly give the Zonists something to be concerned about.
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    If Iran is a sovereign state, KSA is also a sovereign state. By saying this, pls don't mistake me as I support their foreign bases. I've to repeat because you seem not convinced. I will like to suggest again to you, pls read more on Iran, Khomeini and Rafidi Shia.

    I was staunch supporter of Iran just like you because my country still very close with Iran and do have normal trade relations with them. Despite the religious differences, we still welcome Iranian here. We've many Iranian doing business and open shops here, study at our universities etc. But we also know they spread their beliefs through these universities, perhaps due to their better look my local muslims are falling into their trap. I'm also aware that our authority recently raided their centre where they organised legalise prostitution (mut'ah) and bid'ah activities. One of my sheikh was even tail-gated and threatened by a group of men for exposing shia in our masjid. Yet, we don't harm them or hate them to the extent leading into sectarian violence. I sat and had dialogue with some of them, in fact I still exchange e-mail with a brother from Isfahan. We get to know each other when he came to my country for a business expo. They are honest Iranian, many of them including my friend from Isfahan. Recently it was reported in my country there are already over 300k shia followers, I'm more shock to know my own neighbour is a shia believer, non Iranian. I had dialogue with him many many times, but I failed to make him realised that he is wrong because he is saying 1+1=3. He frequently visiting Iran for business and for "pilgrimage" and he shares a lot of things (including political matters) which I don't think you want to believe. I don't have hard evidence but I do verify things before I talk. My sources are Shia Iranian and non Iranian Shia. Of course they claimed the nuke ambitions is for peaceful means, even India said the same thing if I can remember. Despite Shia followers are getting aggressive but I just treat them like I treat my Christians, Hindus and Buddhist friends. I hate their govt and their proxies including Bashar. But not necessarily I hate Iranian and shia followers. So far I only had dialogue with these Iranian or shia followers, never had any sectarian violence.

    "Sectarian supremacy and religious zealots" are stong words. Surprisingly it came from you and addressing me? Do I need to be surprise when kuffars and hypocrites address Muslims in similar fashion? If you are angry with me, just call me idiot if you want. What I'm writing not necessarily is correct, if you think you are right I can't stop you. I assure you, my statement always stand to be corrected. What I hear, what I read and what I see can be wrong, I don't deny it. But I don't deserved being called "religious zealots", I'm not going to forgive you if you use similar word against me again.

    Despite I hate Iranian govt, I don't wish Iran to be invaded or any aggression similar to Iraq. I just want all this arm race to stop (whether Iran or GCC). I can't stop if you want to support Iran and ridicule Arab govts, go on brother. You can't stop me from criticizing both if they are wrong. You can stop me supporting either one of them if they are right. Up to you to make conclusion about me but watch your boneless tongue.

    Since you are leading this thread into personal attack, I only have this to say, "may Allah guides you and me".

    I'm sorry if I wronged you.
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    Asalaam alaikum,

    This is not about religion. Neither is Israel. Israel has told everyone they want all the land. Iran is saying no this is my land. I have a right to defend it.

    No-one has a monopoly on nuclear weapons. No-one. It is the weaponry of cowards. But, no-one has the monopoly on anything.

    Russia, China, India all have the stuff in the region. Wasn't North Korea playing with some fire? Besides when you talking about nukes..it is not always proximity.
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    A little late to the game but I have a question.

    Who decides which countries are allowed to develop nuclear weapons to defend themselves? The U.S. and Israel are sweating bullets over the possibility of Iran possessing nuclear weapons but both countries do so themselves. Actually many other Western countries do as well. Why is it such an issue for Eastern countries to have the same means to protect themselves? This is something I've wondered about for a long time and it's always bothered me how hypocritical of a situation it is.

    So who decides this and what's the criteria for their decision?
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    Asalaam alaikum,


    When we follow the Laws of Allah then it all makes sense.

    No-one is doing that at the moment. The one with the most weapons or the most powerful arsenal is the top dog for the given moment. It is not a question of why they are correct. It is a matter of who wants to be top dog. The question arises when the bottom dogs allow the top dogs to be bullies. What are you gaining bottom dogs that you would shun the Truth to allow the top dog to play with his guns. What are you gaining bottom dog to be always the bottom dog..doing the bidding of the top dog.

    Rules change by the second. Whoever wants it the most goes for it. A group of men decided they wanted to rule the world. They made the rules. And whenever they feel they can change the rules they do so.
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    It doesn't matter who decide, this nuke technology is a danger to mankind and need to be stopped. Turkish PM said other nuke makers should stop theirs before asking Iran to abandon her nuke technology. You can only dream that US will abandon their nuke technology, unlikely now Iran going to abandon hers. So, tit-for-tat? If the west failed to stop Iran, they may help Arab states to build one as self defence against Iran. When will this end? Enmity between Indian and Pakistan is the classic example. Enemy to Pakistan help India to build nuke, enemy to India help Pakistan to build nuke. And the region can explode anytime by press a button.

    As Muslim, I oppose any Islamic country building nuke technology for whatever purpose.
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    Asalaam alaikum,

    Brother,

    As I wrote and I am serious nuclear weaponry is for cowards. I am actually reading a book and the facts are wild. In eighty wars there were only 1400 Muslim causalities. Women and children were untouched. The Islamic rules for war are well defined.

    These are games. And there is no end in sight. None whatsoever. Millions are starving but millions are being spent on destroying humanity.

    The US is employing drones on its civilian population. There are vehicles on the road that search our cars as we drive, we have cameras everywhere; we are constantly being bombarded with poisons; even in our water. What can I say.
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    Nuclear Technology in the hands of Iranians, good or bad?

    Asalam wailkium

    Firstly this thread/topic is not about shia vs sunni it is about nuclear technology and the Iranian nation; nor is it about iranian people or shia practises in neighbouring countries, the axis of this post is whether Iranian nuclear science is a threat to the region or not, also i wasn't referring to any specific person when i used the terms 'sectarian supremacy and religious zealots'. That was a general comment about barriers to unity within the Muslim Ummah, now back to the original topic...

    If you make a claim to say that in order to prevent an arms race within the region, Iran should not have any nuclear technology whilst without even proving that Iran is building the bomb then you are preventing a country from progressing and developing. What else should be banned next? Maybe after banning nuclear technology the same critics will jump on another thing, and start saying Iran's oil industry should be banned, it should not be allowed to develop it's oil refineries because of global warming which could affect sea level and destroy the Palm Islands of Dubai, then after this another bogus claim and so forth thus such a country becomes weak and dependent on others for development and progress. Is that a good thing? For Muslim countries to be dependent on the west or the east for technology?

    What happen to the right of soverign nations?
    If the UAE or GCC nations want nuclear power then they have the right but they don't have the right to dictate and say it should be banned in other countries. Lastly, i ask the open minded public to see who is pushing this agenda of banning nuclear development in Iran, the main players are the western nations; usa and the EU, the same governments who dominant and control the mid east region with their militarty bases and arab dictator installed puppets. Isn't that ironic? Iran is the only nation within the region that does not want this western supreme dominance to go on forever and forever, thus the nuclear issue is a pretext is isolating and in bullying any independent nation.

    With foriegn intervention in the region, the Muslim Ummah will not be able to move forward and will always be under UN police control, therefore it is the foriegn entities that are a threat and not scientific Iran.

    Amir of Spain.

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    The reason I brought in Shia issue because you seem to brand me as having sectarian mentality or being "religious zealot" by opposing this nuke issue. If you think this nuke technology is not a threat, you have to consider Khomeini's threat to invade Madinah and Mecca before you jumping into conclusion. Perhaps Iran is not making a bombs, but the nuke technology do create chaos in the region in particular after Khomeini statement who is a revered figure among Shia. You have to discuss this issue holistically to find the truth, if you think we should focus on nuke tech, then stop making statement that some muslims being religious zealots, if you do then I pull other issues as well. The other reasons is I want you to know that I'm doing a lot of things, I do condemn Shia and I do welcome dialogues with them. That's does not making me a zealot. I don't know about you, I write here and also doing dawah. Okay, let's me stop here before people may start calling me being boasting about own. Although you explain that you are not saying it is me, you did made a general comment about muslims being sectarian or religious zealots. Religious zealots can't even called as true muslim. My family majority are hindus, these community still calling Muslims as zealots or fanatics, will that make any difference if a muslim also calling the same against muslims?

    Focusing on the debate, whether Iran building nuke bombs or not does not matter already, I made my comments and you made yours. My comments stand to be corrected and open to criticism, I will take responsibility for any errors. I believe you know you are right. Since you feel you are right, then you always right (just borrow from the phrase "customer is always right"). There is great debate about the safety of nuclear technology it self, those debating not only from third world as well from 1st world. Tragedies in Russia and recently Japan need no proof, that this technology is not safe. Let alone nuke bombs, but Iran is not making one according to you, let accept it that they are not making one in fact I repeat this is my wish. If they really not making it, let me tell you I will be most happy and most welcome. But it is also alarming to me why oil rich Iran is developing this technology? Perhaps their oil wells are drying up.

    Now you also made another generalise statement about me that I'm preventing a country progressing and developing by opposing they nuke technology, which I claimed they are also building nuke bombs. Iran did sent rocket into orbits and they do develop other technologies, they come here for business expo and shows how much they have advanced. Did I ever said Iran should stop sending rocket into orbit? Stopping a technology which I feel is not safe which also a step away to make nuke bombs can not be said preventing advancement. Hilarious. You also welcome UAE to build their own nuclear technology if they wish, whether for peaceful means or to make bombs as sovereign state, again you support something is a threat to mankind and environment. I can't stop you supporting such dangerous technology, but you can't stop me by saying I oppose this technology. This technology just a step towards making nuke bombs and the technology itself not safe. No one can guarantee this technology will not be converted into making nuke bombs. So prevention is better than cure.

    Quote: "With foriegn intervention in the region, the Muslim Ummah will not be able to move forward and will always be under UN police control, therefore it is the foriegn entities that are a threat and not scientific Iran." Unquote

    Totally agreed, however nuke technology or nuke bombs is not the answer. Unity is the answer. Since Iran nuke tech seen as threat for unity among the gulf nations, my humble opinion is that Iran should discard this technology or listen to what her neighbours are worried. Likewise, I also urge GCC to send US and their allies troops back home, they must be longing enough their families at home and close the bases or take over the bases.
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    Nuclear Technology in the hands of Iranians, good or bad?


    Asalam wailkium.

    Do you think the GCC countries and other arab states would remove all foriegn western bases from the region; no longer allow their air, sea and land to foriegn countries and additionally stop militarily supporting the Zionist state in exchange for Iran giving up nuclear energy? Since you insist Iran should listen to it's neighbours, would these Gulf countries also listen to the concerns of it's neighbour Iran aswell? The difference is brother, Iran is an independent country that makes decisions based on the nation whereas the arab/GCC states are puppet governments ruled by royal families who bow to their western masters thus they would never remove the western bases since the western powers seek to control and dominate the Middle East region. So the compromise you suggest is not feasible. After preventing Iran from nuclear technology, what is next? Oil? Water? Oxygen? Bread?

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    Assalaam alaikum,

    Brother,

    The US will not close it bases. That is too much money lost.

    I know I sound like a nag but if we take a moment to study how we got to where everyone is today we can see that this has been in the plans for a long time.

    But, when you want absolute power the safety of the average citizen is of no concern to you. The arrgoance of those in power do not worry about human life. Did they really care about the attack on the Japanese? No.

    The only issues are who is supplying what to which country and when. This becomes a supply and demand game. And if the money is right there is always someone who will provide you will the goods that you want. The price has to be right.
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    I wonder why you are so worry about possible nuclear weapons of Iran but not those ones of Israel (what are ready to attack all Middle East) specially you have seen how violent Israel actually is.

    You afraid Iran because you don´t understand how they as shias are thinking? Do you know zionists better?

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    Assalaam alaikum,

    You said it sister. Israel is the happiest of all dogs at this moment. This is what they want. The US is waiting for the word from Israel and there goes the ME..all into Zionist hands.
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    I have been sorry that we disagree so many matters, dear Aapa but more worry I am about blindness of this forum and its members.

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    Assalaam alaikum,


    I am getting older. I see things in a different light. The matters we disagree on are all within the broadband we call Islam. I am just striving to please Allah subhana wa taala. I have seen a lot and experienced too much. So now I am more shall we say careful on how I practice Islam.

    There are many passionate members on this forum. Yet, they are young. They have not lived through the broken words that I have seen in my life-time. We all live in our words and think that the internet gives us the same world view. It does not.

    The problem with passion is that reason is thrown out the window. And we gain reason by learning our faith. Our faith dictates how we live daily. We have to take responsibility for Creation. How can we do that when we fight amongst ourselves. We fight out of ignorance.

    Nuclear weapons are wrong. But, all nations want to defend themselves against the enemy. Nations spend billions of dollars on developing ways to exterminate humanity. I have a six-shooter and you have a seven so I develop an eight shooter. It only takes one bullet to kill.

    Everyone needs to stop. Everyone needs to learn the faith, first. We have no leader in Islam currently. There is no-one I bow down to and I never will, InshaAllah.
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    Allahu Akbar!

    :salam2:

    I find this nothing unusual likewise all other country if ask will do exactly just the same:collecting and making weapons like toys to them.

    For example Israel ,what sort of latest weapon they don't have tell me?

    Go through,as some individual needs to do their homework in order to 'upgrade' their understanding for interesting discovery :)

    Well,
    for instance if you got the money some country like German,USA e.t.c e.t.c will sell their latest inventions of weapons nothing new.

    What they don't have in store that we have;
    is the weapons to fight Shaitan the powerful weapons of all that majority incapable to produce.

    For those who have doubts and worry about Iran can stop worrying too much as Iran is a solid muslim's country and
    they know very well what they are doing~Alhamdulillah!

    The saying goes:If you can't fight them so join them~Masha'allah!

    ~May Allah swt help, protect and guide all muslims~Amin!

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    Thank you for sharing.
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    Brother Amir of Spain,

    Congrat for your country for winning Euro 2012.

    My country allowed Australia to process "rare earth minerals" which supposedly contain radioactive. A single leak, many lives will be on danger. The whole country is protesting but the govt is moving ahead due to huge inflow of FDI. Perhaps you are living in country you used to radioactive.. we are not so we are against any kind of technology which has chance of radioactive accident. Perhaps due to that, I'm so against Iran, yes on top of that because they are shia. Well if because they are shia, I will not have friends who are shias.. but I must admit to Sister Harb that I don't friends amongs jews.

    One way another, this tense situation in the gulf will push Iran into building it's own nuclear weapons... I've no evident you are right, because I'm not Mossad or CIA to supply you with evident. Nuclear tech is just a step away for nuclear carrying missiles.. I know Iran already has advance missiles system, I don't have evident too, do you think it is difficult for them to enhance the missiles? Pls answer this question only if there is evident Iran have missiles.

    Regarding Arab bases, I've no further comments. 1+1 = 2. Full stop.

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