Osama bin ladin and Al-qayda exist?
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sister herb
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I don't get how people say Bin Laden was fake and AQ didn't exisist when Bin laden was on TV even pre-9/11 saying that AQ was going to do this and that to America. The interviews he gave journalists, not that many mind you, but the ones he gave he was a living person who said this is what my organization thinks and believes. He was a man, a smart man who felt killing Americans, no matter if they were innocent or not of anything was justified.
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That's why there's so much disunity within the Ummah. People who are well-known or have some sort of status or authority (like Bin Laden did, Al-Qaeda etc.) come up with their own ideologies and use the texts of Islam to justify their deviated beliefs and actions, such as killing innocent people.
When the Prophet sallAllaahu 'alayhi wa sallam went to fight in the way of God, he set rules or war for his companions, in order for them not to transgress the limits. They were told not to harm any women, children, elderly etc. even if they were on the enemies side. The companions of the Prophet (whom cannot be compared to anyone) were real men who fought the enemy face-to-face and did not attack those who were unarmed.
Also, in Islam we believe children are born in the state of fitrah (natural belief in one God, tawheed etc.), so we believe all children are Muslims, despite their parents being kaafir. So I don't know how this can be ignored and people still think it's okay to kill.
Yes, Muslims are facing a hard time nowadays, but so did the Prophet peace be upon him and his companions, yet look at the way they fought and look at the way groups, such as Al-Qaeda are. Does anyone see any resemblance? Because I don't.
And more importantly, the Prophet and his companions always gave da'wah to the enemies, even in a nice way (before they fought). Yet look at Al-Qaeda, their da'wah is "Accept Islam or we'll bomb you."
That's why there's so much disunity within the Ummah. People who are well-known or have some sort of status or authority (like Bin Laden did, Al-Qaeda etc.) come up with their own ideologies and use the texts of Islam to justify their deviated beliefs and actions, such as killing innocent people.
When the Prophet sallAllaahu 'alayhi wa sallam went to fight in the way of God, he set rules or war for his companions, in order for them not to transgress the limits. They were told not to harm any women, children, elderly etc. even if they were on the enemies side. The companions of the Prophet (whom cannot be compared to anyone) were real men who fought the enemy face-to-face and did not attack those who were unarmed.
Also, in Islam we believe children are born in the state of fitrah (natural belief in one God, tawheed etc.), so we believe all children are Muslims, despite their parents being kaafir. So I don't know how this can be ignored and people still think it's okay to kill.
Yes, Muslims are facing a hard time nowadays, but so did the Prophet peace be upon him and his companions, yet look at the way they fought and look at the way groups, such as Al-Qaeda are. Does anyone see any resemblance? Because I don't.
And more importantly, the Prophet and his companions always gave da'wah to the enemies, even in a nice way (before they fought). Yet look at Al-Qaeda, their da'wah is "Accept Islam or we'll bomb you."
yes, the russian and Kazakhstan said, they do not exist, and they never consider of them, and just watching the "bin ladin and al-qaymda" Hollywood movie which took so long time to end.
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dna1987
Muslim Guy
Lol yeah. After this question, maybe someone can start a thread titiled, "does the sun really exist?".
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I don't think the USA made up Al Qaeda or Bin Laden to invade a country for its natural resources. They just greatly exaggerated the threat of such organisations that do exist.
Assalam alaikum.
^ You crack me up sometimes! lol!
A-believer-25
Junior Member
hahahaha
That's funny!
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It has been revealed that the US has recorded the entire Osama raid. Don't be surprised if they release clips of Osama before he was killed.
justoneofmillion
Junior Member
I don't see the need to make fun of the person.All you smart people out there,maybe the poster was simply asking a genuine question and is not as sophisticated as you guys are.
Joldas :Wa Aleikumu Assalaam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu,
Allah swt knows best.Arzafar's answer is the most plausible one from what is known today.In Any case it is The Prophet Salla llahu Aleihi Wassalaam that we Muslims need to follow and listen to.Anadem kardecim?
Take care.
Wallahu Allam wa Allaa wa Ahkam
Joldas :Wa Aleikumu Assalaam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu,
Allah swt knows best.Arzafar's answer is the most plausible one from what is known today.In Any case it is The Prophet Salla llahu Aleihi Wassalaam that we Muslims need to follow and listen to.Anadem kardecim?
Take care.
Wallahu Allam wa Allaa wa Ahkam
plz, read, of course, yes Allah knows best......
Al Qaeda does not exist - Bin Laden videos are fake
The Dutch in the original article has been translated into English by Marienella Meulensteen.
Bin Laden and Al Qaeda are seen by friend and foe as superpowers. But is this realistic? 'What is this al-Qaeda? Does such a group even exist? Some terrorism experts doubt it.
Adam Dolnik and Kimberly McCloud reckon it's time we 'defused the widespread image of al-Qaeda as a ubiquitous, super-organised terror network and call it as it is: a loose collection of groups and individuals that doesn't even refer to itself as al-Qaeda'. Dolnik and McCloud - who first started studying terrorism at the prestigious Monterey Institute of International Studies in California - claim it was Western officials who imposed the name 'al-Qaeda' onto disparate radical Islamic groups and who blew Osama bin Laden's power and reach 'out of proportion'. Both are concerned about the threat of terror, but argue that we should 'debunk the myth of al-Qaeda'', writes Spiked.
U.S. changes Bin Laden into superman
'In the quest to define the enemy, the U.S. and its allies have helped to blow it out of proportion. Posters and matchbooks featuring bin Laden's face and the reward for his capture in a dozen languages transformed this little-known "jihadist" into a household name and, in some places, a symbol of heroic defiance', McCloud wrote earlier. This sounds as if the U.S. made a big mistake to make Bin Laden out to be a supreme power. But it is not stupid at all, it confirms our opinion that the war against terrorism has the goal to promote terrorism. Creation of a superman image for Bin Laden cannot be explained in any other way than a strategic step forward for the U.S. The more dangerous an enemy, the better the position of authority for the defender. The authority of Bush has grown proportionally to exaggerating the status of Bin Laden.
The origin of the Al-Qaeda myth
How it all started can be seen in the excellent documentary series of the BBC, The Power of Nightmares. Jason Burke, author of the book Al-Qaeda : The True Story of Radical Islam tells in part three of the series how in January 2001 a number of men were placed on trial in Manhattan for the attack on the American Embassy in Kenya in 1998. The Americans are stuck with a well-paid witness named Al Fadl, who is well paid by them, but up to then is not taken seriously by many countries. They decide to throw their influence onto the scale by having the witness describe a powerful organisation called Al Qaeda who would be responsible for the attack. That is necessary to comply with the existing American laws that really have been designed to tackle 'organized crime' like the Mafia. Burke: 'You have to have an organisation to get a prosecution. And you have al-Fadl and a number of other witnesses, a number of other sources, who are happy to feed into this. You’ve got material that, looked at in a certain way, can be seen to show this organisation’s existence. You put the two together and you get what is the first bin Laden myth—the first Al Qaeda myth. And because it’s one of the first, it’s extremely influential.' Bin Laden himself denies having ties with Al Fadl, which would be strange if the two would be responsible together for the attack in Kenya. In fact, every attacker is dying to claim his deed.
Voice Over: 'The picture al-Fadl drew for the Americans of Bin Laden was of an all-powerful figure at the head of a large terrorist network that had an organised network of control. He also said that bin Laden had given this network a name: “Al Qaeda.” It was a dramatic and powerful picture of Bin Laden, but it bore little relationship to the truth.' Building on the quicksand of a weak witness, the false idea is constructed of a terrorist superpower, lead by the super terrorist Bin Laden.
There is no Al Qaeda organisation
The Voice Over in part three of The Power of Nightmares states further: 'There is also no evidence that Bin Laden used the term “Al Qaeda” to refer to the name of a group until after September the 11th, when he realized that this was the term the Americans have given it. <...> In reality, Jamal al-Fadl was on the run from bin Laden, having stolen money from him. In return for his evidence, the Americans gave him witness protection in America and hundreds of thousands of dollars. Many lawyers at the trial believed that al-Fadl exaggerated and lied to give the Americans the picture of a terrorist organisation that they needed to prosecute Bin Laden.'
Sam Schmidt was an attorney during the court case: 'I think he lied in a number of specific testimonies about a unified image of what this organisation was. It made Al Qaeda the new Mafia or the new Communists.' Jason Burke summarizes it clearly when he says: 'The idea—which is critical to the FBI’s prosecution—that bin Laden ran a coherent organisation with operatives and cells all around the world of which you could be a member is a myth. There is no Al Qaeda organisation. There is no international network with a leader, with cadres who will unquestioningly obey orders, with tentacles that stretch out to sleeper cells in America, in Africa, in Europe. That idea of a coherent, structured terrorist network with an organised capability simply does not exist.'
http://www.daanspeak.com/AlQaeda01Eng.html
justoneofmillion
Junior Member
:salam2:Brother,AlQaida may not exist as an organization in the exaggerated fashion in which the governments have made us believe,to justify their imperial aims.And yes there are probably foreign and local hands involved in the middle with private interests ,who push themselves up mutually using it as a booggieman...The ideology that was attributed to it however, definitely exists, although in a very tiny minority of people.Their discourse is coherent but their methodologies are not from the Quraan and Sunnah and this is where we Muslim need to stand,teach ,advice and move on from here to better days,Inshallah.Thanks for the read.May Allah swt bless you.
plz, read, of course, yes Allah knows best......
Al Qaeda does not exist - Bin Laden videos are fake
The Dutch in the original article has been translated into English by Marienella Meulensteen.
Bin Laden and Al Qaeda are seen by friend and foe as superpowers. But is this realistic? 'What is this al-Qaeda? Does such a group even exist? Some terrorism experts doubt it.
Adam Dolnik and Kimberly McCloud reckon it's time we 'defused the widespread image of al-Qaeda as a ubiquitous, super-organised terror network and call it as it is: a loose collection of groups and individuals that doesn't even refer to itself as al-Qaeda'. Dolnik and McCloud - who first started studying terrorism at the prestigious Monterey Institute of International Studies in California - claim it was Western officials who imposed the name 'al-Qaeda' onto disparate radical Islamic groups and who blew Osama bin Laden's power and reach 'out of proportion'. Both are concerned about the threat of terror, but argue that we should 'debunk the myth of al-Qaeda'', writes Spiked.
U.S. changes Bin Laden into superman
'In the quest to define the enemy, the U.S. and its allies have helped to blow it out of proportion. Posters and matchbooks featuring bin Laden's face and the reward for his capture in a dozen languages transformed this little-known "jihadist" into a household name and, in some places, a symbol of heroic defiance', McCloud wrote earlier. This sounds as if the U.S. made a big mistake to make Bin Laden out to be a supreme power. But it is not stupid at all, it confirms our opinion that the war against terrorism has the goal to promote terrorism. Creation of a superman image for Bin Laden cannot be explained in any other way than a strategic step forward for the U.S. The more dangerous an enemy, the better the position of authority for the defender. The authority of Bush has grown proportionally to exaggerating the status of Bin Laden.
The origin of the Al-Qaeda myth
How it all started can be seen in the excellent documentary series of the BBC, The Power of Nightmares. Jason Burke, author of the book Al-Qaeda : The True Story of Radical Islam tells in part three of the series how in January 2001 a number of men were placed on trial in Manhattan for the attack on the American Embassy in Kenya in 1998. The Americans are stuck with a well-paid witness named Al Fadl, who is well paid by them, but up to then is not taken seriously by many countries. They decide to throw their influence onto the scale by having the witness describe a powerful organisation called Al Qaeda who would be responsible for the attack. That is necessary to comply with the existing American laws that really have been designed to tackle 'organized crime' like the Mafia. Burke: 'You have to have an organisation to get a prosecution. And you have al-Fadl and a number of other witnesses, a number of other sources, who are happy to feed into this. You’ve got material that, looked at in a certain way, can be seen to show this organisation’s existence. You put the two together and you get what is the first bin Laden myth—the first Al Qaeda myth. And because it’s one of the first, it’s extremely influential.' Bin Laden himself denies having ties with Al Fadl, which would be strange if the two would be responsible together for the attack in Kenya. In fact, every attacker is dying to claim his deed.
Voice Over: 'The picture al-Fadl drew for the Americans of Bin Laden was of an all-powerful figure at the head of a large terrorist network that had an organised network of control. He also said that bin Laden had given this network a name: “Al Qaeda.” It was a dramatic and powerful picture of Bin Laden, but it bore little relationship to the truth.' Building on the quicksand of a weak witness, the false idea is constructed of a terrorist superpower, lead by the super terrorist Bin Laden.
There is no Al Qaeda organisation
The Voice Over in part three of The Power of Nightmares states further: 'There is also no evidence that Bin Laden used the term “Al Qaeda” to refer to the name of a group until after September the 11th, when he realized that this was the term the Americans have given it. <...> In reality, Jamal al-Fadl was on the run from bin Laden, having stolen money from him. In return for his evidence, the Americans gave him witness protection in America and hundreds of thousands of dollars. Many lawyers at the trial believed that al-Fadl exaggerated and lied to give the Americans the picture of a terrorist organisation that they needed to prosecute Bin Laden.'
Sam Schmidt was an attorney during the court case: 'I think he lied in a number of specific testimonies about a unified image of what this organisation was. It made Al Qaeda the new Mafia or the new Communists.' Jason Burke summarizes it clearly when he says: 'The idea—which is critical to the FBI’s prosecution—that bin Laden ran a coherent organisation with operatives and cells all around the world of which you could be a member is a myth. There is no Al Qaeda organisation. There is no international network with a leader, with cadres who will unquestioningly obey orders, with tentacles that stretch out to sleeper cells in America, in Africa, in Europe. That idea of a coherent, structured terrorist network with an organised capability simply does not exist.'
http://www.daanspeak.com/AlQaeda01Eng.html
Wa llahu Allam wa Allaa wa Ahkam
Bin laden did exist, he's even got a grown up son who looks exactly like him. Al qaeda is an organisation who say themselves they exist, so obviously they exist..
USA government cheating you...
:blackhijab:
even try to cheating the whole world to believe,,,