Question about Malaysia...

alf2

Islam is a way of life
A person I have seen is saying things about Malaysia, like they discriminate against non-Muslims, and want to punish converts to Christianity, Buddhism with jail time or capital punishment...

Malaysia has always seemed laid back to me, is all this true?
How is the situation for non-Muslims in Malaysia?
 

Gernada1492

A Muslim
perhaps any one iving there can answer it better but i havent heard any sort of thing which you have written. May be one or two incidents like this haven occured ,but its not the usual routine. Its pretty much a modern country.
 

BrotherInIslam7

La Illaha Illa Allah
Staff member
:salam2:

One word : Propaganda.

If you browse the net, reading blogs/articles about muslims, you would probably think that muslims are the worst human beings on the face of the earth. There are some ridiculous things written about our countries as well.

There might be one or two isolated incidents, but is certainly not the norm. Btw Malaysian Constitution guarantees everyone freedom of religion. And I hardly doubt people converting in to mentioned religions in large numbers anyway.

And yet no one wants to talk about Ulghur muslims being oppressed in China or plight of Kyrgyzstan muslims.
 

kayleigh

Junior Member
I'm not an expert on Malaysia and I've never been, but that's not the impression I get when I talk to people from there. They seem pretty laid back. If there was hardcore persecution I'd be surprised. I think revert2007 is from there so I'm sure she'll know more.
 

revert2007

Love Fishing
Assalamualikum.
I am a Malaysian and yes I used to be a non Muslim and yes what you heard is true.It has nothing to do with religion Islam but has to do with the race.

So do not refer to Islam but refer to the race the Muslims belong to.

I do not want to discuss further as my old wound might blead again and I might not able to control myself and I might speak what I am not suppose to speak.

In every country,you will see all kind of problems.
I know why malays behave in such manner.What would you do if there are strangers living in your house?

Yet this is something that British forced Malays to accept-keep the Chinese and Indians in the country.


You do not know how much I have suffered just because of my race.And the thing that put of from converting to Islam is their behaviour.

But when I did more reserach on Islam,I know it has nothing to do with Islam but with their own attitude problem.

There is always pros and cons.I decide to ignore the cons and concentrate on pros.

I just hope more Muslims in that country do dawah instead of discreminating Non Muslims.

I rather remain silent now because syaitan is trying to trap me.

Allah knows the best.
Assalamualikum
 

Abu Talib

Feeling low
Malaysian's are the most softhearted people. Those all incidents are manipulated biased news we are living in a new era where if two persons of different religions fight over a small issue its headlined as a religious war etc.

As BrotherInIslam7 mentioned there is so much oppression for Muslims in China you can't believe it most of them are not allowed to do Hajj and even keep a beard.
 

BrotherInIslam7

La Illaha Illa Allah
Staff member
:salam2:

In addition, the Ulghurs can't even show up to work and be 'fasting'. The govt would force them to break their fast. A few months ago the friday congregational prayer was banned as well (I don't know if it is still in place or not).

The Ulghur men are rounded up from their villages at night and taken to an unknown location, away from their families and interrogated for 3-4 days.

And their crime is being 'muslim'. Why are we busy finding the errors of muslim countries & not concerned the slightest bit for our brothers and sisters who are undergoing such a big trial ?
 

kayleigh

Junior Member
Assalamualikum.
I am a Malaysian and yes I used to be a non Muslim and yes what you heard is true.It has nothing to do with religion Islam but has to do with the race.

So do not refer to Islam but refer to the race the Muslims belong to.

I do not want to discuss further as my old wound might blead again and I might not able to control myself and I might speak what I am not suppose to speak.

In every country,you will see all kind of problems.
I know why malays behave in such manner.What would you do if there are strangers living in your house?

Yet this is something that British forced Malays to accept-keep the Chinese and Indians in the country.


You do not know how much I have suffered just because of my race.And the thing that put of from converting to Islam is their behaviour.

But when I did more reserach on Islam,I know it has nothing to do with Islam but with their own attitude problem.

There is always pros and cons.I decide to ignore the cons and concentrate on pros.

I just hope more Muslims in that country do dawah instead of discreminating Non Muslims.

I rather remain silent now because syaitan is trying to trap me.

Allah knows the best.
Assalamualikum

Interesting. So they treat Chinese and Indians badly, not because they're not Muslim but because they're not Malay? Would they treat a non-Muslim Malay badly? Sorry if you don't want to talk about it, but I'm curious.

If it's all racial then that definitely doesn't surprise me.

@BrotherInIslam7 - she's allowed to be curious. Injustice is injustice and wrong is wrong regardless of where it happens and who it happens to. If you're only going to care about Muslims and ignore the rest of humanity, I don't see how that's very compassionate at all.
 

Aisya al-Humaira

الحمدلله على كل حال
Assalamua'alaykum wa rahmatullah,

Just to give some better understanding on the situation here. Well, we are a multi-race country. Malays are the majority follow by Chinese, Indians and others i.e Sikhs. And yes, we have some race issues here and the biggest race fight that ever happened was during May 13 (I forgot the year but it was one of the reason that leads to the independence of Malaysia from the colonization of the British). The race war lead to the death of many innocent people. Since then, the prime minister has tried to create a system where all races will be equal (in certain matters) but mostly Malay will receive a "better treatment".

Well, this is a race issue and as Sister Revert has stated, it has nothing to do with Islam. Though we live peacefully among different races here, the truth is there may be some 'uncomfortable' feelings among different races.

Try reading the history.

To Sister Revert : I do feel sorry that you have encountered something painful before. There maybe some political issues regarding races here but still, we are all Malaysian, isnt it? (Of course we are all Muslims is what counts most :) )

Wassalam.
 

revert2007

Love Fishing
Assalamua'alaykum wa rahmatullah,

Just to give some better understanding on the situation here. Well, we are a multi-race country. Malays are the majority follow by Chinese, Indians and others i.e Sikhs. And yes, we have some race issues here and the biggest race fight that ever happened was during May 13 (I forgot the year but it was one of the reason that leads to the independence of Malaysia from the colonization of the British). The race war lead to the death of many innocent people. Since then, the prime minister has tried to create a system where all races will be equal (in certain matters) but mostly Malay will receive a "better treatment".

Well, this is a race issue and as Sister Revert has stated, it has nothing to do with Islam. Though we live peacefully among different races here, the truth is there may be some 'uncomfortable' feelings among different races.

Try reading the history.

To Sister Revert : I do feel sorry that you have encountered something painful before. There maybe some political issues regarding races here but still, we are all Malaysian, isnt it? (Of course we are all Muslims is what counts most :) )

Wassalam.

Assalamualikum ukhti.Well yes I was hurt so badly when I wasn't a Muslim but it all have compensated when I converted to Islam.I was treated like a princess :)..

And the year was 13th may 1969.It was just after the election.Again all about politics.It was a huge fight in history between malays and Chinese.They just chop anyone's head.

Dr.Mahathir is the one responsible for the peace of Malaysia but too bad after he retired,the rest of the ministers after him are pure racist people.


Perhaps they would treat Chinese and Indians in the best manner if they convert to Islam :)

After being a Muslim,I realise that I do not need to call myself Malaysian nor do I need to address myself to a particular race or colour.I am a Muslim and that is what matters.


As far as am concern,they treat reverts in the best manner and I am happy about it.

Allah knows the best
Assalamualikum :)
 

revert2007

Love Fishing
Interesting. So they treat Chinese and Indians badly, not because they're not Muslim but because they're not Malay? Would they treat a non-Muslim Malay badly? Sorry if you don't want to talk about it, but I'm curious.

If it's all racial then that definitely doesn't surprise me.

@BrotherInIslam7 - she's allowed to be curious. Injustice is injustice and wrong is wrong regardless of where it happens and who it happens to. If you're only going to care about Muslims and ignore the rest of humanity, I don't see how that's very compassionate at all.
Assalamualikum.All Malays are born Muslims.So there is no such thing as non Muslim Malays :)
 

BrotherInIslam7

La Illaha Illa Allah
Staff member
@BrotherInIslam7 - she's allowed to be curious. Injustice is injustice and wrong is wrong regardless of where it happens and who it happens to. If you're only going to care about Muslims and ignore the rest of humanity, I don't see how that's very compassionate at all.

Yes, you are right. Injustice is wrong whether it be on muslim or non muslim land. But if we are really going after injustices, let's be fair and talk about sufferings about our fellow muslims as well. We as muslims are one large family and not 'malay muslims' 'desi muslims' etc etc..

It is clear that people in the west target the injustices practised in muslims countries, yet either fail to recognize that it has roots from cultural traditions or purposely mask it so that we muslims look bad. Pre 90s it was the communists under the spotlight, now it is the muslims. How about focusing about the atrocities committed on our muslim people ?

Also, mere discussing of atrocities around the world is a waste of time. Do we have any solutions for it ? Even if we do, are we in a position to make a change in those countries ? The answer is No. We are spending our precious time (which could be used judiciously in learning deen) on matters that we can neither change or influence. This is not a criticism to sister's alf initial post, so I hope she doesn't take it personally. I can understand that the comments of some individual aroused her curiosity about malaysia

We as muslims are not acting to our 'religion'. This is already accepted and well known by majority of us here. We don't need to read about how much racism is spread in Malaysia or India or Saudi Arabia. We should instead focus on getting back on our deen and propagating the teachings of Islam, in order to get rid of the social injustices that are prevalent in our country which include maltreatment of women & children, racism and outright bad manners among others.

We were a nation that was looked upon with admiration by other cultures and civilizations because we had greater understanding of our deen as well as better adherence. Now that we have followed the pursuit of this worldly life and forgotten the source of our prosperity and might, we look miserable and bewildered. We need to concentrate on getting back to our deen and ways of strengthening our dawah.

Wasalaamalaykum waa rahmatullahi
 

kayleigh

Junior Member
There are probably hundreds of threads about injustices done to Muslims on this forum. Sister alf asked a question. That is all. Don't read so much into it.
 

saifkhan

abd-Allah
Saala Alaikum wa rahmatu-llah

there is noithing to do with Islam with race and vice versa, we people made the religion property of a nation.astaghfir Allah. what is going to happen to Islam, whatever the Malay/Bangali/Qatari/American or anyone thinks or does anything? NOTHING

Islam is the only true religion in the face of the rock-solid earth to the heaven and the ground. it is the only divine law , the most pure and the most sacred. but we named islam as a religion. but the necessity came when there were some other religions, indeed which were false...and still false.
Islam is not only a religion, but a way of life.
If someone wants to judge Islam{though no one has the righ to judge the religion, oz actually no one have the eligibility as it is from Allah azza wa jal, testified and proved}, he should judge on the basis of Quran and Hadeeth.

I dont know when the Muslims will stop judging Islam, in the standard of the action of Muslims? yet if anyone want to judge it go for Prophet salla Allahu alaihi wa sallam.

but the problem is there, we/Muslims even judge Islam in the basis of the actions of Muslims. how can we think of the not-yet-Muslims to judge Islam on the basis of Quran and Hadeeth. actually its our fault, neither we practise Islam, nor we convey the message.

there was a conversation with my frnds. we were talikng about visa process and i expressed the problems we Muslims face. one of my frnd, he's Muslim said: look, it has/had to be, look how many Muslim terrorists are roaming and terroring the world.

MAN THAT MADE BUNK HEAD AND I WAS FEROCIOUS.

first I told him: you look, first of all, you beleive the western NEWS, they are just cow-dung and you are judging our Muslims brother in the basis of their news....thats really sahmeful. secondly, for sake of arguement if we take this Muslims terrorist, can we judge Islam on the basis of their action? are they the conveyor/contractor of Islam? WHO HAVE GIVEN YOU THE AUTHORITY TO JUDGE ISLAM IN THIS WAY. YOU DONT KNOW ABOUT ISLAM, IS THAT ISLAM'S FAULT?

i know i was a bit ferocious, but i got nothing to do....whenever someone attck something like that, that just makes crazy. i just tell them one thing: look if you dont want to follow, its up to you. if you dont like thats also up to you. but dont talk with your ignorant mouth.
my mom is always worried about me: that I'm surely gonna arrested by the police, if situation goes wrong. and I always makem my mother...come on mom, I know my limits and Islam is so beautiful alhamdu li Allah that it teaches me to DEFEND BUT MAINTAINING THE STATE OF COOLNESS, can you mark a such beautiful thing, surely your son gonna be protected..inshaa'Allah.

may Allah subhanahu wa ta'al help us to save from the false information,bidah, ignorance and kufr.
may He forgive our sin

Jazakum Allahu khair
wassalamu alaikum

PS: this reply is not targeted to anyone, just some feeling from my heart, that i beleive and i maintain, alhamdu li Allah, and i've replied it without reading all of the replies. so if it hurts someone, i apologize in advance but the intension was surely not that and Allah knows the best.
 

TipuSultan

Banned
malaysia truly asia :)

Malaysia is a good country I had plans to go there last year but with recession and other things could not.

Inshallah if Allah wills I will go there 1 day.
 
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