Washington's security for Israel is "Ironclad"

MohammedMaksudul

May Allah Forgive us
:salam2:

The leader of the tyrants openly declare: No statehood to Palestine. What a JOKE! And he says his war is not against Islam and he is a friend to the Muslims. SubhanAllah!! I wonder people with what IQ level actually believe him.

Barack Obama, the US president, has rejected Palestinian plans to seek statehood at the United Nations, and said Washington's commitment to Israel's security is "ironclad".

Obama was speaking at the annual policy meeting of American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), the main pro-Israel lobby in the US, on Sunday amid unprecedented tumult in the Middle East and new strains in US-Israeli relations.

"No vote at the United Nations will ever create an independent Palestinian state," Obama said.

"And the United States will stand up against efforts to single Israel out at the UN or in any international forum. Because Israel's legitimacy is not a matter for debate."

On Thursday, the US president for the first time publicly called on Israel to accept a return to territorial lines in place before the 1967 Arab-Israeli war, with mutual land swaps with Palestinians, to frame a secure peace.

The formula was rejected by Binyamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, who told Obama at a White House summit on Friday that the 1967 borders were "indefensible".

That prompted Palestinian officials to say that they would seek recognition for Palestinian statehood in the UN General Assembly in September.

European Union states, UN diplomats say, are looking increasingly favourably on the idea of recognising a Palestinian state.

However, any statehood vote would have first to be approved in the UN Security Council, where the US - which insists on a negotiated peace accord - has a veto.

On Sunday, Obama reiterated the US's commitment to defending the existence of Israel.

"You also see our commitment to Israel's security in our steadfast opposition to any attempt to de-legitimise the State of Israel," he said.

"As I said at the United Nation's last year, Israel's existence must not be a subject for debate, and efforts to chip away at Israel's legitimacy will only be met by the unshakeable opposition of the United States."

However, Obama said the current situation in the Middle East was "unsustainable".

'Unbreakable bonds'

Obama said: "Even while we may at times disagree, as friends sometimes will, the bonds between the United States and Israel are unbreakable, and the commitment of the United States to the security of Israel is ironclad.

He also called the recent unity deal between Fatah and Hamas "an enormous obstacle to peace", and called on Hamas to release Gilad Shalit, an Israeli soldier captured five years ago.

"No country can be expected to negotiate with a terrorist organisation sworn to its destruction," Obama said.

"We will continue to demand that Hamas accept the basic responsibilities of peace: recognising Israel's right to exist, rejecting violence, and adhering to all existing agreements."

But he added: "No matter how hard it may be to start meaningful negotiations under the current circumstances, we must acknowledge that a failure to try is not an option. The status quo is unsustainable."

Rosiland Jordan, Al Jazeera's correspondent in Washington, said Obama had received a polite welcome and been applauded when he talked about the US's commitment to defending Israel's sovereignty.

But some in the 10,000 audience had booed when Obama mentioned the 1967 borders, she said.

'Sovereign state'

Obama said there had been "nothing particularly original" in his speech on Thursday.

"But since questions have been raised, let me repeat what I actually said," he said.

"I said that the United States believes that negotiations should result in two states, with permanent Palestinian borders with Israel, Jordan, and Egypt, and permanent Israeli borders with Palestine.

"The borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognised borders are established for both states.

"The Palestinian people must have the right to govern themselves, and reach their potential, in a sovereign and contiguous state."

Marwan Bishara, Al Jazeera's senior political analyst, said: "He [Obama] is saying absolutely nothing new ... he remains, I think, more or less, adamant that it has to be up to the Israelis and the Palestinians.

"Which basically, de facto, means it's up to the Israelis to dictate what exactly their security requirements are for any contours of a Palestinian solution."

Netanyahu said on Sunday that he would work alongside Obama for a way to renew frozen peace talks with
the Palestinians.

In a statement responding to Obama's speech, Netanyahu said: "I am a partner to President Obama's wish to promote peace and I appreciate his efforts in the past and present to achieve this goal. I am determined to work with Presdient Obama to find ways to renew peace talks."

Source: http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2011/05/201152214281951998.html
 

sister herb

Official TTI Chef
"No country can be expected to negotiate with a terrorist organisation sworn to its destruction," Obama said.

And how to negotiate with terrorist state whose leaders one after one haven´t done anything else than murdered more and more Palestinians, Obama?
 

Idris16

Junior Member
The leader of the tyrants openly declare: No statehood to Palestine. What a JOKE! And he says his war is not against Islam and he is a friend to the Muslims. SubhanAllah!! I wonder people with what IQ level actually believe him.
Allâh `azza wa jal won't help us if we rely on the ballot box. Al-Jazeera English long time ago showed us statistics how Obama used more drone attacks in Pakistan than Bush! And yet Obama was president for at least two years at time! Gitmo still open and Obama hasnt released the pictures of tortures because he feared it would be dangerous for American agents. For those voting in America - I tell them fear shirk for yourselves.
Barack Obama, the US president, has rejected Palestinian plans to seek statehood at the United Nations, and said Washington's commitment to Israel's security is "ironclad".
Well Obama, UN is great, UN was created because of ''peace'' right? So why not go to them?
"No vote at the United Nations will ever create an independent Palestinian state," Obama said.
Wow, just shows us that the power lies with you and other nations like Russia, that's why they veto all the time so we may not discuss about Caucasus.
Obama said: "Even while we may at times disagree, as friends sometimes will, the bonds between the United States and Israel are unbreakable, and the commitment of the United States to the security of Israel is ironclad.
Yeah so no matter what Israel does you will always help them.
He also called the recent unity deal between Fatah and Hamas "an enormous obstacle to peace", and called on Hamas to release Gilad Shalit, an Israeli soldier captured five years ago.
Only one soldier and there are countless of Palestinians in Israeli jails yet won't mention them. If two nationalist groups can't unite with each other then what about other countries where they strive for Islamic rule
"No country can be expected to negotiate with a terrorist organisation sworn to its destruction," Obama said.
Ok, Israel is a peaceful nation. Not terrorists.
"We will continue to demand that Hamas accept the basic responsibilities of peace: recognising Israel's right to exist, rejecting violence, and adhering to all existing agreements."
Why don't you look at the side from a long way. Why don't you ask yourself why they don't ''recognise'' a Zio-Nazi Fake Terror-state?
 

al-fajr

...ism..schism
Staff member
JenGiove, I honestly think you need to open some history books, I mean no disrespect by that, I am making a sincere recommendation. If you choose to involve yourself in the political discussions of the forum then please familiarise yourself with facts, American foreign policy and track records of dealings with Israel, read Chomsky, Finkelstein, Fisk, even Bernard Lewis. (To name a few good ones).

You trying to clarify what Obama may or may have not have said in 2007 or 2011 is as foolish as someone trying to cover the cracks on the icing of a very poisoned cake.


Forgive the example - Im slgihtly sugar deprived atm.
 

JenGiove

Junior Member
what is the difference, Jen??

My personal interpretation of the quote was that Obama was trying to say that simply recognizing Palestine as a state by the UN isn't going to instantly stop the war. That in order to stop the war, it'll take alot of work.

My own opinion about Nutty-yat-and-who is that if the two forces in Palestine (I'm sorry, I don't remember both their names) want to join together, make concessions and rules with each other and it works, then Israel needs to just shut up and deal with it. It was a great leap to unification...the whole "clean your own house before cleaning someone elses" kind of thing. Palestine united and that was awesome! I hope they remain united and continue to be able to work together for the good of the whole.
 

ShahnazZ

Striving2BeAStranger
Disgusting.

To hear them come out and BLATANTLY deny them statehood is jaw-dropping. They've been denied everything else and I truly believed both sides would work towards an independent state.

How wrong that assumption was.

I have no words right now but I am confident that TRUE justice will inshallah prevail in the end...
 

Abu Talib

Feeling low
O'bomb'a is pro at being diplomatic gotta compliment that.

We also know how difficult that search for security can be, especially for a small nation like Israel in a tough neighborhood. I’ve seen it firsthand. When I touched my hand against the Western Wall and placed my prayer between its ancient stones, I thought of all the centuries that the children of Israel had longed to return to their ancient homeland. When I went to Sderot, I saw the daily struggle to survive in the eyes of an eight-year old boy who lost his leg to a Hamas rocket. And when I walked among the Hall of Names at Yad Vashem, I grasped the existential fear of Israelis when a modern dictator seeks nuclear weapons and threatens to wipe Israel off the map.

Small nation dang thats the no.1 exporter of arms in the world you made them big in money and arms. Gaza is big for you right as millions are cramped inside. You could also have gone to Palestine and see you'll find all ages being killed and injured by Israeli feathers. Yes you have the same fear when you hear Allahu Akber.

Because we understand the challenges Israel faces, I and my administration have made the security of Israel a priority. It’s why we’ve increased cooperation between our militaries to unprecedented levels. It’s why we’re making our most advanced technologies available to our Israeli allies. And it’s why, despite tough fiscal times, we’ve increased foreign military financing to record levels. That includes additional support – beyond regular military aid – for the Iron Dome anti-rocket system. This is a powerful example of American-Israel cooperation which has already intercepted rockets from Gaza and helped saved innocent Israeli lives. So make no mistake, we will maintain Israel’s qualitative military edge

So you admitted that no matter how bad your people are going through all their money should be to going to Israel and for each and every bullet that kills a Palestinian you have cooperation in it also. Iron Dome to Israel then we are iron fist for them.

You also see our commitment to Israel’s security in our steadfast opposition to any attempt to de-legitimize the State of Israel. As I said at the United Nation’s last year, “Israel’s existence must not be a subject for debate,” and “efforts to chip away at Israel’s legitimacy will only be met by the unshakeable opposition of the United States.”

Yes no one should say a word to those who occupy Palestine you should just shut up or get bombed. Palestine state hood should always be debated at UN and vetoed by us any opposition to it will be met by Democratic bombs


And I indicated on Thursday that the recent agreement between Fatah and Hamas poses an enormous obstacle to peace. No country can be expected to negotiate with a terrorist organization sworn to its destruction.

Well your agreement with Israel is obstacle with our freedom and we don't want to negotiate with terrorist government who have swore to repeat the holocaust on Muslims.

Here are the facts we all must confront. First, the number of Palestinians living west of the Jordan River is growing rapidly and fundamentally reshaping the demographic realities of both Israel and the Palestinian territories. This will make it harder and harder – without a peace deal – to maintain Israel as both a Jewish state and a democratic state.

Aha so thats the reason your allowing Israel to kill Palestinians and use all kind of banned weapons so their population depletes. Thanks for clarifying its a genuine reason

As for security, every state has the right to self-defense, and Israel must be able to defend itself – by itself – against any threat.

Yes but Palestine does not have the right to defend until you say so right! Obombha: You dumb guy, I said ''every state'' and there is no state called Palestine until I say.

The Talmud teaches us that so long as a person still has life, they should never abandon faith. And that lesson seems especially fitting today,

Your a marketeer go to Hindus say from their book go to Muslims say from their book go to Jews say from their book. Please contact me next time when you need verses from Qur'aan.

Thank you. God bless you. God bless Israel, and God bless the United States of America.

Yes your God only blesses you two not Palestine.
 
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