ahmed_indian
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:salam2:,
in india/pakistan, we are taught 6 kalimahs.
are they innovation? how did they originate?
in india/pakistan, we are taught 6 kalimahs.
are they innovation? how did they originate?
6 kalimahs: are they bid'ah/innovation
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Live4thehereafte
Junior Member
actually they are dua's but they have been re-named 6 kalimah(i dunno why)
and also the authenticity of some i dunno
no proof from quran and sunnah so i say its a bid'ah.
and also the authenticity of some i dunno
no proof from quran and sunnah so i say its a bid'ah.
IslamicGirl24
Junior Member
Assalamu alaykum!
Really, brother! What makes you say that these kalimahs are bid'ah?? As far as I know they only explain the fundamental beliefs and faith of Islam.
Just a way to teach the children to remember Allah swt as much as they can.
These are merely duas!!
Well when reading them..I don't see anything "unIslamic" about them..on the contrary..they are very beautiful..as they relate to Tawheed..Shahada..and Istighfar..so I don't see the innovation bit of it
do you mean that they are taught as if they are a *pillar* of faith or Islam for example?..as in..no one mentions that they are *compiled* only to *teach* some basic fundamentals?!
If that's the case..then I can see where the bida'a would lay..and it would be a HUGE one too
do you mean that they are taught as if they are a *pillar* of faith or Islam for example?..as in..no one mentions that they are *compiled* only to *teach* some basic fundamentals?!
If that's the case..then I can see where the bida'a would lay..and it would be a HUGE one too
daywalker
Junior Member
have you read the meaning of kalimah´s? if yes do you believe in those meaning? if yes, then dont worry inshallah.
Well when reading them..I don't see anything "unIslamic" about them..on the contrary..they are very beautiful..as they relate to Tawheed..Shahada..and Istighfar..so I don't see the innovation bit of it
do you mean that they are taught as if they are a *pillar* of faith or Islam for example?..as in..no one mentions that they are *compiled* only to *teach* some basic fundamentals?!
If that's the case..then I can see where the bida'a would lay..and it would be a HUGE one too
:salam2:
I think what the brother is asking it in the context from where they originated from.
Are these duas mentioned anywhere in any Saheeh Hadiths ?
I know that everyone who learns to read the Holy Quran in some parts of India has to learn these 6 Kalimas and be able to recite it to his/her teacher after every lesson.
So basically they want you to learn these duas and be able to recite them on your own ( possibly everyday ?? ).
Muslimah16
ServantOfAllah*
:salam2:
I was also taught these akhii, bt no i dont think its bid'ah. I hope not anyway.
The meanings are amazing i think
We were taught seven though lol
The fifth kalimah mentioned there i have never heard of in my entire life
The fifth one i learnt was your 6th one then two more;
1) Aamantu billahi kamaa huwa bi'asmaaihi wa sifaatihi wa qabiltu jamee'an ahkaamih
2)Aamanti billaahi wa malaaikatihi wa kutubihu wa rasulihi wal yawmil aakhiri wal qadri khayrihi wa sharrihi minAllahi Ta'ala wal ba'athi ba'dal mawt
Allah knows best
Wassalaam
I was also taught these akhii, bt no i dont think its bid'ah. I hope not anyway.
The meanings are amazing i thinkWe were taught seven though lol
The fifth kalimah mentioned there i have never heard of in my entire life
The fifth one i learnt was your 6th one then two more;
1) Aamantu billahi kamaa huwa bi'asmaaihi wa sifaatihi wa qabiltu jamee'an ahkaamih
2)Aamanti billaahi wa malaaikatihi wa kutubihu wa rasulihi wal yawmil aakhiri wal qadri khayrihi wa sharrihi minAllahi Ta'ala wal ba'athi ba'dal mawt
Allah knows best
Wassalaam
Live4thehereafte
Junior Member
i think u misunderstood me.....or i'm not very good at explaining.
let me try again
we all agree these are dua ...yes. but
why only these 6 are singled out and why are they called 6 kalimah?
ahmed_indian
to Allah we belong
Well when reading them..I don't see anything "unIslamic" about them..on the contrary..they are very beautiful..as they relate to Tawheed..Shahada..and Istighfar..so I don't see the innovation bit of it
do you mean that they are taught as if they are a *pillar* of faith or Islam for example?..as in..no one mentions that they are *compiled* only to *teach* some basic fundamentals?!
If that's the case..then I can see where the bida'a would lay..and it would be a HUGE one too
but how did ulama chose these duas and why only these? since when they are in the society?
i m confused about these questions.
eg. saying Ya Allah is not bidah but to say ya Allah 77 times after asr becomes bidah. hope u got my point!
misbah ul haya
Junior Member
:salam2:
I was also taught these akhii, bt no i dont think its bid'ah. I hope not anyway.
We were taught seven though lol
The fifth kalimah mentioned there i have never heard of in my entire life
The fifth one i learnt was your 6th one then two more;
1) Aamantu billahi kamaa huwa bi'asmaaihi wa sifaatihi wa qabiltu jamee'an ahkaamih
2)Aamanti billaahi wa malaaikatihi wa kutubihu wa rasulihi wal yawmil aakhiri wal qadri khayrihi wa sharrihi minAllahi Ta'ala wal ba'athi ba'dal mawt
Allah knows best
Wassalaam
asalam u alaikum,
sister the two you have written,i was taught these by name of SIFAT UL IMAN....its true that there is no reality behind them(at least to the level of most authentic) but we cant say them bidaa because these are just prayers......we are free to ask Allah by any method.in indo-pak children are these along with ayat ul kursi and darood before going to school and they are taught to say them before sleeping every night.i think it is good that they say all tuheed,astagfaar and shahada before sleeping......EVEN THEN it is better to read duas taught by prophet(saw)
misbah ul haya
Junior Member
asalam u alaikum,
as prayers these are ok but if somebody says that by reading 6 kalimas you will get this much ajar like ajars mentioned for saed ul istagfaar and other prayers taught by Prophet(saw) then this is wrong because these kalimas are not from Nabi(saw)....i think i have cleared the point.
daywalker
Junior Member
:salam2: ask local imam saab inshallah.
Oh yes! now I understand..and see your point..and you're right..after reading into it independently..specifying these phrases to be said after every lesson (as mentioned in one of the replies)..or saying them a *specific number of times* would make the practice a *bida'ah*..as dua'as..dhikrs..and other ibadaat stipulated by a number or a time..are clear and validated in hadiths from the Sunnah for example..I will inshallah post a few links here..for people to read through them..which answer questions regarding certain practices of ibadah which has turned into a bida'ah unknowingly..pay close attention to *the factors* which define (or make) a bida'ah out of a ibadah
First..a link about the definition of bida'ah:
http://islamqa.com/en/ref/7277
Fatwas with more elaborations and general examples of what makes a ibadah a bida'a:
http://islamqa.com/en/ref/21902
http://islamqa.com/en/ref/47073
A link with valuable information about committing to ibadaat not performed by Rasulullah (saaws) and his companions (radhiya allaho 'anhom):
http://islamqa.com/en/ref/11938
Inshallah they will be helpful..they helped me understand things better and determine whether the 6 kalimahs are a bida'a and inshallah others will draw a conclusion from them as well